Wow! That's surprising. Thank you for the super fast turnaround on this breaking news story.
Wow! That's surprising. Thank you for the super fast turnaround on this breaking news story.
I assume this is sarcasm? This was everybody’s bet as to where he would end up.
Wishing the best for Tommy & JoMo (unless their "best" conflicts with our "best") 🤗
I wish the young man all the best... Hopefully this works out for him...
From what I understand is they have Keyaon Thompson who is a very explosive DUAL QB... Tommy will have to compete.
I think it's pretty clear by this move that he wasn't afraid of competition, because he stepped into a spot where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role
I think you're right Roam. He wasn't afraid of competing. I think he (or his father) felt slighted by Franklin not naming him the starter going into preseason. Also, if he stayed at PSU and lost out in the competition to last years 3rd stringer it wouldn't look too good. When he transfers and has to compete, if he loses out its not so bad. After all, he has a new system to learn and adapt to! There I go thinking again, LOL 🤪
From what I understand is they have Keyaon Thompson who is a very explosive DUAL QB... Tommy will have to compete.
JoeMo is bringing back the "Lion" formation, so when Tommy loses the QB battle he can still get on the field for a few plays a game.
Did he just get butt hurt at penn st or what? James Franklin put a lot of work into this kid for him to get upset and leave. I
Did he just get butt hurt at penn st or what? James Franklin put a lot of work into this kid for him to get upset and leave. I
Who knows? At the end of the day a coach has to do what is best for the team, not what is best for a player. Hopefully both of those things line up, but sometimes they don't. Obviously Franklin had not seen enough from Stevens in his 4 years here to name him the starter, and if you aren't sure about a guy then it isn't good for the team to name them the starter.
On the other side of the coin, I believe Tommy Stevens saw the writing was on the wall. He probably thought: "after all I've done for four years, all the sacrifices I have made for the team... it still wasn't enough to name me?". With that line of thinking, he may have been under the impression that the coaching staff was never going to trust him with the starting role. No matter what.
Whether there is any truth to it, again who knows? I doubt the coaches treated Stevens unfairly, though I said in the past that "if" they think Tommy was up to the task then they should have named him. That is a big if though, because if after 4 years you don't believe in a guy... maybe you just never will. Tommy probably felt that and thought it was best to leave. Even if none of the coaches ever intended anything other than what was best for the team.
I think it's pretty clear by this move that he wasn't afraid of competition, because he stepped into a spot where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role
OR, it's a competition against what he and Dad view as less talented QB's and he thinks his chances of starting is better.
Here's the thing I can't wrap my head around.
He was the #2 behind Trace and in front of Clifford and Levis the past couple of years, so he had already established he was the better QB of the 3 in consecutive years. Can't deny it or he wouldn't have been the #2 of 4. So why would he not stay at a place where he has already proven himself multiple years by beating out the other QB's currently left on the roster? The only QB he could never beat out is gone!! Also not to mention that he has already established on and off the field relationships with a lot of the offensive players and coaches and knows the scheme. Seems like the odds were greatly in his favor and it would have been his job to loose, competition or not, right?
So the smart move was to chose to leave and go to a place as Roam put it "where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role" against the other QB's who have been on the team and already have practiced in the scheme with the current players on the team? Add in that Tommy is stepping in to a whole new offense of WR's, RB's and OL that he has never played a snap with.
So, he leaves Penn State because Dad said in a interview that this was Tommy's last shot and Tommy could not wait until August for a decision to be made on if he would be the starter over Clifford (the guy that he beat out on the roster the last 2 years) and goes to a different team with a "big competition" to win the starting role. Really? Come on. What is the difference now? He needs to still compete and wait for a decision?
I think he left because he (or dad) or both got butt hurt because Franklin did not hand over the keys to the kingdom in the spring. Not to mention that he did not turn the keys over to a QB that had not been able to fully participate in spring practice due to his recovery from a lingering injury that hampered him most of the previous season that required surgery.
If you were Franklin would you have turned over the keys to Tommy? I wouldn't have. What if he doesn't come back 100%. Or what if he couldn't knock the rust off? Franklin had to label it as a competition to get the best out of Tommy, Clifford and Levis to make sure each of them were ready. But, I still think if Tommy was the guy who was not afraid of competition and was so hell bent on being the starter, he would have been better off staying in place and competing where he already had beaten the same competition multiple times .
I'm not buying the competitor thing. I think they got pissed at Franklin because of his decision and took his ball and left. I also think he is going not into a big competition but to a place where he feels his talent is far superior to the talent that is on that team where there really won't be all that much competition for him to walk in to the starting job. Just my opinion.
In any case, I wish the young man well.
I think it's pretty clear by this move that he wasn't afraid of competition, because he stepped into a spot where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role
OR, it's a competition against what he and Dad view as less talented QB's and he thinks his chances of starting is better.
Here's the thing I can't wrap my head around.
He was the #2 behind Trace and in front of Clifford and Levis the past couple of years, so he had already established he was the better QB of the 3 in consecutive years. Can't deny it or he wouldn't have been the #2 of 4. So why would he not stay at a place where he has already proven himself multiple years by beating out the other QB's currently left on the roster? The only QB he could never beat out is gone!! Also not to mention that he has already established on and off the field relationships with a lot of the offensive players and coaches and knows the scheme. Seems like the odds were greatly in his favor and it would have been his job to loose, competition or not, right?
So the smart move was to chose to leave and go to a place as Roam put it "where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role" against the other QB's who have been on the team and already have practiced in the scheme with the current players on the team? Add in that Tommy is stepping in to a whole new offense of WR's, RB's and OL that he has never played a snap with.
So, he leaves Penn State because Dad said in a interview that this was Tommy's last shot and Tommy could not wait until August for a decision to be made on if he would be the starter over Clifford (the guy that he beat out on the roster the last 2 years) and goes to a different team with a "big competition" to win the starting role. Really? Come on. What is the difference now? He needs to still compete and wait for a decision?
I think he left because he (or dad) or both got butt hurt because Franklin did not hand over the keys to the kingdom in the spring. Not to mention that he did not turn the keys over to a QB that had not been able to fully participate in spring practice due to his recovery from a lingering injury that hampered him most of the previous season that required surgery.
If you were Franklin would you have turned over the keys to Tommy? I wouldn't have. What if he doesn't come back 100%. Or what if he couldn't knock the rust off? Franklin had to label it as a competition to get the best out of Tommy, Clifford and Levis to make sure each of them were ready. But, I still think if Tommy was the guy who was not afraid of competition and was so hell bent on being the starter, he would have been better off staying in place and competing where he already had beaten the same competition multiple times .
I'm not buying the competitor thing. I think they got pissed at Franklin because of his decision and took his ball and left. I also think he is going not into a big competition but to a place where he feels his talent is far superior to the talent that is on that team where there really won't be all that much competition for him to walk in to the starting job. Just my opinion.
In any case, I wish the young man well.
"OR, it's a competition against what he and Dad view as less talented QB's and he thinks his chances of starting is better."
The QB at Mississippi State was from the same class as Clifford, was ranked higher than Clifford in that class, and is also a dual threat QB like Stevens. So unless Dad and Tommy are stupid, no I don't think they viewed the MSU QB as less talented than Clifford.
And yes, I said as much in my previous post that Stevens probably viewed it as a situation where if the coaching staff didn't trust him by now, then they weren't going to. Call it butt hurt if you want, but he obviously didn't think he was going to start here.
I think it's pretty clear by this move that he wasn't afraid of competition, because he stepped into a spot where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role
OR, it's a competition against what he and Dad view as less talented QB's and he thinks his chances of starting is better.
Here's the thing I can't wrap my head around.
He was the #2 behind Trace and in front of Clifford and Levis the past couple of years, so he had already established he was the better QB of the 3 in consecutive years. Can't deny it or he wouldn't have been the #2 of 4. So why would he not stay at a place where he has already proven himself multiple years by beating out the other QB's currently left on the roster? The only QB he could never beat out is gone!! Also not to mention that he has already established on and off the field relationships with a lot of the offensive players and coaches and knows the scheme. Seems like the odds were greatly in his favor and it would have been his job to loose, competition or not, right?
So the smart move was to chose to leave and go to a place as Roam put it "where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role" against the other QB's who have been on the team and already have practiced in the scheme with the current players on the team? Add in that Tommy is stepping in to a whole new offense of WR's, RB's and OL that he has never played a snap with.
So, he leaves Penn State because Dad said in a interview that this was Tommy's last shot and Tommy could not wait until August for a decision to be made on if he would be the starter over Clifford (the guy that he beat out on the roster the last 2 years) and goes to a different team with a "big competition" to win the starting role. Really? Come on. What is the difference now? He needs to still compete and wait for a decision?
I think he left because he (or dad) or both got butt hurt because Franklin did not hand over the keys to the kingdom in the spring. Not to mention that he did not turn the keys over to a QB that had not been able to fully participate in spring practice due to his recovery from a lingering injury that hampered him most of the previous season that required surgery.
If you were Franklin would you have turned over the keys to Tommy? I wouldn't have. What if he doesn't come back 100%. Or what if he couldn't knock the rust off? Franklin had to label it as a competition to get the best out of Tommy, Clifford and Levis to make sure each of them were ready. But, I still think if Tommy was the guy who was not afraid of competition and was so hell bent on being the starter, he would have been better off staying in place and competing where he already had beaten the same competition multiple times .
I'm not buying the competitor thing. I think they got pissed at Franklin because of his decision and took his ball and left. I also think he is going not into a big competition but to a place where he feels his talent is far superior to the talent that is on that team where there really won't be all that much competition for him to walk in to the starting job. Just my opinion.
In any case, I wish the young man well.
"OR, it's a competition against what he and Dad view as less talented QB's and he thinks his chances of starting is better."
The QB at Mississippi State was from the same class as Clifford, was ranked higher than Clifford in that class, and is also a dual threat QB like Stevens.
So unless Dad and Tommy are stupid, no I don't think they viewed the MSU QB as less talented than Clifford.
So what would be the advantage of going to MSU to compete against a higher rated dual threat QB? If Clifford and he were that close that Stevens couldn't be named the outright starter, seems like the odds are less in his favor going against the other guy with better credentials than Clifford. And that would be a stupid move!
Clifford is not known for being as mobile or dual threat, advantage Stevens. Again, Stevens beat Clifford and Levis out 2 years in a row at PSU for a higher spot on the depth chart, advantage Stevens. What would make them think this was a smart move to leverage his chances making it any better of getting a starting job or getting it any quicker than he would have at PSU? Supposedly the whole point of him leaving PSU was that he couldn't afford to wait for a decision with this being his last chance to be a starter.
Again, it seems like he is subjecting himself to greater risk going this route than if he stayed, if, that QB is that good. At least he knew what he was up against at PSU and had success the past 2 seasons. Makes no sense to me.
There has to be some reason why they thought this was a better or more sure route to land a starting job which was the ultimate goal. And I don't think is was about going against better QB competition. And, given the past relationship, why would Joe Moorhead bring him on board knowing the stakes for Tommy if the QB he has is that good? I would find it hard to believe Dad or Moorhead wouldn't be supporting this if it wasn't advantageous to Tommy. We all know stars don't always matter. It's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
I think it's pretty clear by this move that he wasn't afraid of competition, because he stepped into a spot where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role
OR, it's a competition against what he and Dad view as less talented QB's and he thinks his chances of starting is better.
Here's the thing I can't wrap my head around.
He was the #2 behind Trace and in front of Clifford and Levis the past couple of years, so he had already established he was the better QB of the 3 in consecutive years. Can't deny it or he wouldn't have been the #2 of 4. So why would he not stay at a place where he has already proven himself multiple years by beating out the other QB's currently left on the roster? The only QB he could never beat out is gone!! Also not to mention that he has already established on and off the field relationships with a lot of the offensive players and coaches and knows the scheme. Seems like the odds were greatly in his favor and it would have been his job to loose, competition or not, right?
So the smart move was to chose to leave and go to a place as Roam put it "where it's going to be a big competition to win that starting role" against the other QB's who have been on the team and already have practiced in the scheme with the current players on the team? Add in that Tommy is stepping in to a whole new offense of WR's, RB's and OL that he has never played a snap with.
So, he leaves Penn State because Dad said in a interview that this was Tommy's last shot and Tommy could not wait until August for a decision to be made on if he would be the starter over Clifford (the guy that he beat out on the roster the last 2 years) and goes to a different team with a "big competition" to win the starting role. Really? Come on. What is the difference now? He needs to still compete and wait for a decision?
I think he left because he (or dad) or both got butt hurt because Franklin did not hand over the keys to the kingdom in the spring. Not to mention that he did not turn the keys over to a QB that had not been able to fully participate in spring practice due to his recovery from a lingering injury that hampered him most of the previous season that required surgery.
If you were Franklin would you have turned over the keys to Tommy? I wouldn't have. What if he doesn't come back 100%. Or what if he couldn't knock the rust off? Franklin had to label it as a competition to get the best out of Tommy, Clifford and Levis to make sure each of them were ready. But, I still think if Tommy was the guy who was not afraid of competition and was so hell bent on being the starter, he would have been better off staying in place and competing where he already had beaten the same competition multiple times .
I'm not buying the competitor thing. I think they got pissed at Franklin because of his decision and took his ball and left. I also think he is going not into a big competition but to a place where he feels his talent is far superior to the talent that is on that team where there really won't be all that much competition for him to walk in to the starting job. Just my opinion.
In any case, I wish the young man well.
"OR, it's a competition against what he and Dad view as less talented QB's and he thinks his chances of starting is better."
The QB at Mississippi State was from the same class as Clifford, was ranked higher than Clifford in that class, and is also a dual threat QB like Stevens.
So unless Dad and Tommy are stupid, no I don't think they viewed the MSU QB as less talented than Clifford.
So what would be the advantage of going to MSU to compete against a higher rated dual threat QB? If Clifford and he were that close that Stevens couldn't be named the outright starter, seems like the odds are less in his favor going against the other guy with better credentials than Clifford. And that would be a stupid move!
Clifford is not known for being as mobile or dual threat, advantage Stevens. Again, Stevens beat Clifford and Levis out 2 years in a row at PSU for a higher spot on the depth chart, advantage Stevens. What would make them think this was a smart move to leverage his chances making it any better of getting a starting job or getting it any quicker than he would have at PSU? Supposedly the whole point of him leaving PSU was that he couldn't afford to wait for a decision with this being his last chance to be a starter.
Again, it seems like he is subjecting himself to greater risk going this route than if he stayed, if, that QB is that good. At least he knew what he was up against at PSU and had success the past 2 seasons. Makes no sense to me.
There has to be some reason why they thought this was a better or more sure route to land a starting job which was the ultimate goal. And I don't think is was about going against better QB competition. And, given the past relationship, why would Joe Moorhead bring him on board knowing the stakes for Tommy if the QB he has is that good? I would find it hard to believe Dad or Moorhead wouldn't be supporting this if it wasn't advantageous to Tommy. We all know stars don't always matter. It's going to be interesting to see how it all plays out.
My point is and always has been that the reason Tommy is leaving had nothing to do with competition. This move shows that, he will have no less competition for the starting spot at MSU than he would have had here.
It also shows his dad might have been full of $hit when he gave that interview. Obviously, if what his dad was saying was true, they wouldn't be going to a team that is going to be hard to get the starting QB spot. Joe Moorhead isn't going to guarantee a starting spot any more than Franklin was.
Moorhead is the coach of MSU... not Tommy Stevens. He is doing this because it is advantageous to HIS TEAM. A good QB that he knows well wants to transfer? Why would he not want him? He either gets a good starter or a great backup, not sure why any coach would pass on that.
Whatever the reason for leaving... I think it is pretty clear it wasn't competition. He had other schools on his list that he could guarantee a starting spot by walking in the door, he chose MSU though.
Lots of speculation as to why Stevens left. If he becomes a HOF NFL quarterback, maybe he will write a book and disclose why he left PSU.
It will be interesting watching how things go for him. Anyway, I predicted that Tommy Boy wasn’t going to be Penn State’s starting QB some time ago. Best news is Penn State has Clifford!
Exactly the way I see it brother.
Jeff Hostetler name mean anything sky? Lol
My man navylion is spot on. Exactly the way I see it brother. Well crap now the other post shows up sorry for the retype
Jeff Hostetler name mean anything sky? Lol
No predictions about Tommy’s future. Liked what Hostetler did with the GIANTS backing up Simms.
