I was able to get on PennLive and read an article that the B1G leadership might want to expand the scam (CFP) now that Ohio st got left out 2 straight years lol. These scumbags see what I’ve been saying for 3 years it’s going to be brutal for the B1G champions to get in the playoffs because the east is a brutal league and it’s going to be tough to go undefeated. We really don’t need to expand just take 4 champions of the power 5 and let them settle it on the field. Yes on conference champs will get left out along with ND but that’s alright at lest we got 4 champions fighting it out for the NC. This is the best way because you at least have to win your conference championship to get in the Playoffs. Yes Roams idea is better but that takes to much power out of the people pulling the strings hands and they ain’t gonna go for that. This way they still can pick the 4 teams they just have to pick 4 conference champions and won’t get to let teams that don’t win their conference and ND in lol. Sorry CT ND just might have to pick a conference and get in if they want to play for the NC lol
I like your proposal Southern. The best part is it forces the Golden Domers to join & win a Power 5 conference if they want to compete for the NC! Unfortunately, that's another reason why we'll never see it happen, LMAO!
I was able to get on PennLive and read an article that the B1G leadership might want to expand the scam (CFP) now that Ohio st got left out 2 straight years lol. These scumbags see what I’ve been saying for 3 years it’s going to be brutal for the B1G champions to get in the playoffs because the east is a brutal league and it’s going to be tough to go undefeated. We really don’t need to expand just take 4 champions of the power 5 and let them settle it on the field. Yes on conference champs will get left out along with ND but that’s alright at lest we got 4 champions fighting it out for the NC. This is the best way because you at least have to win your conference championship to get in the Playoffs. Yes Roams idea is better but that takes to much power out of the people pulling the strings hands and they ain’t gonna go for that. This way they still can pick the 4 teams they just have to pick 4 conference champions and won’t get to let teams that don’t win their conference and ND in lol. Sorry CT ND just might have to pick a conference and get in if they want to play for the NC lol
Anything short of a true playoff is nothing more than the elitist programs always trying to segregate from the rest.
Nitnation, you mean an 8 team playoff? 5 conference champs then the top 3 teams after that? 16 teams is to many IMO because there’s usually a big drop off in talent after the top 8
No need to be sorry to me southern, because your proposal to change the CFP playoff to 4 conference champs, has two chances, slim and none, with none the runaway winner..If it gets changed, and I don't detect any real groundswell to expand, it'll go to the 8 teams as we have outlined before..
I really have no problem with current format, southern, and will be OK with either , keep the status quo, or expand to 8..Why you have this fixation on conference champs, I cant fathom..Just take the big 10, well over half the teams are the dregs of football, and are "gimmes" Northwestern, for cripes sakes, just played for Big 10 title..
You either fail to understand, or don't want to, the mission of the CFP Committee is to identify the 4 teams deserving of playing for the title..THey actually do a very good job of that, and their is little to no controversy in most, if not all yrs, the selections being in n line with AP poll....And, no, ND will not be joining a conference anytime soon, lol..
This scam we got advantages the SEC and ND because the SEC gets a pass for losing even if it’s the last game of the season and ND doesn’t play a conference championship game they get to sit home and watch other teams fight it out for the conference championships. It’s really laughable what’s gone on the last 3 years. The crooks running the big 10 sees now what I’ve been complaining about the last 3 years and they see the writing on the wall with the big 10 sitting home and watching the playoffs. This is what Jim Delany caused 3 years ago when he was crying for Michigan and Ohio st to get in the playoffs when both teams were sitting home watching penn state and Wisconsin fight it out on the field for the big 20 championship. This CFP stinks!
Why are you so passionate then about college football, when you hate the system..Adopt my thinking, there are 120 or so teams playing CF; Forget conference affiliation, the CFP Committee job is to identify the 4 most deserving of playing for a title; or in the alternative,
Become more of a NFL fan like me, renewing my season tickets every yr, for 30 years or so..Its all decided on field, so you don't have this frustration, (unless youre a Saints fan of course, lol)
There is nothing like attending a NFL playoff game; great atmosphere..electricity in the air..
Nitnation, you mean an 8 team playoff? 5 conference champs then the top 3 teams after that? 16 teams is to many IMO because there’s usually a big drop off in talent after the top 8
IMO, it should be at least a 10-team playoff. Other than FBS, in every sport every conference champ gets an auto-bid to the playoff/tournament/whatever you want to call it. Anything else IS elitist and short of a true playoff.
Give all 10 conference champs an autobid plus two at-large bids, so 12 teams total, then they get seeded.
Round 1: #5 vs. #12, #6 vs. #11, #7 vs. #10, #8 vs. #9; Seeds #1-4 get a bye
Very doable, and it gives everyone a fair chance to prove themselves on the field.--including a team like 2017 UCF, whose exclusion from the playoff was a capital crime.
Nitnation, you mean an 8 team playoff? 5 conference champs then the top 3 teams after that? 16 teams is to many IMO because there’s usually a big drop off in talent after the top 8
IMO, it should be at least a 10-team playoff. Other than FBS, in every sport every conference champ gets an auto-bid to the playoff/tournament/whatever you want to call it. Anything else IS elitist and short of a true playoff.
Give all 10 conference champs an autobid plus two at-large bids, so 12 teams total, then they get seeded.
Round 1: #5 vs. #12, #6 vs. #11, #7 vs. #10, #8 vs. #9; Seeds #1-4 get a bye
Very doable, and it gives everyone a fair chance to prove themselves on the field.--including a team like 2017 UCF, whose exclusion from the playoff was a capital crime.
I absolutely hate that for one reason: It gives schools that basically suck a free pass. What is the incentive of playing in a good conference at that point? What, we have to play Michigan, MSU, and Ohio State every year while Arkansas State gets Troy, Georgia State, and ASU?
That, to me, is nonsense.
I'm sorry, but the MAC, Sun Belt, and others are just not at the level of the Big Ten, ACC, or any other Power 5 conference. They just aren't, and SHOULD NOT be treated like they are. I'd rather those schools go form their own subdivision than give them auto-bids. I'm not saying that there aren't some good teams in those conferences, there are... but they just shouldn't get an automatic bid simply for playing teams that would be cannon fodder in any Power 5 conference. Yeah, we have Rutgers... Those conferences have like 6 Rutgers.
I'm sorry, but the MAC, Sun Belt, and others are just not at the level of the Big Ten, ACC, or any other Power 5 conference.
I can't disagree with that, but the fact of the matter is they are in the same NCAA division as the Big Ten, ACC, and every other Power 5 conference. The idea that they should be given NO CHANCE at a seat at the table is beyond ridiculous. If the P5s want to separate and start their own division, they are free to do so. But they won't because they need the G5s.
There are significantly stronger conferences in every division--the Big Sky is miles above the SWAC, but do you know what? A SWAC team that wins its conference still gets an opportunity to see what it can do against the better conferences.
Again, the prospective format that I provided would give 1st round byes to the top 4 seeds, which is a huge advantage that time of the year. If the Sun Belt and MAC teams are patsies, they'll be seeded with a higher number and should provide nice tune up games for seeds #5 and 6.
I'm willing to listen to other possibilities, but any possibility that would leave out 2017 UCF is a FARCE. Disagree?
Take the 5 power conference champs and the 3 highest ranked teams after that regardless of who they are that way the polls still mean something. Pretty much what Roam has been screaming for.
I'm sorry, but the MAC, Sun Belt, and others are just not at the level of the Big Ten, ACC, or any other Power 5 conference.
I can't disagree with that, but the fact of the matter is they are in the same NCAA division as the Big Ten, ACC, and every other Power 5 conference. The idea that they should be given NO CHANCE at a seat at the table is beyond ridiculous. If the P5s want to separate and start their own division, they are free to do so. But they won't because they need the G5s.
There are significantly stronger conferences in every division--the Big Sky is miles above the SWAC, but do you know what? A SWAC team that wins its conference still gets an opportunity to see what it can do against the better conferences.
Again, the prospective format that I provided would give 1st round byes to the top 4 seeds, which is a huge advantage that time of the year. If the Sun Belt and MAC teams are patsies, they'll be seeded with a higher number and should provide nice tune up games for seeds #5 and 6.
I'm willing to listen to other possibilities, but any possibility that would leave out 2017 UCF is a FARCE. Disagree?
I didn't say no chance, but I'd rather one of them get an auto-bid than all 5. At least that way you're giving the best of them a shot. Then with two wild cards you get 8 teams in a playoff.
I'm not a fan of the bye week either, all of the teams should play round one if we're waiting until New Year's to play the games. Maybe if they are sooner, but I'd rather them all play in round one because it's an eye test now giving someone an advantage in ranking them.
I'm not a fan of the bye week either, all of the teams should play round one if we're waiting until New Year's to play the games. Maybe if they are sooner, but I'd rather them all play in round one because it's an eye test now giving someone an advantage in ranking them.
I'd definitely be in favor of having at least the 1st two rounds before New Year's Day.
Nitnation, you mean an 8 team playoff? 5 conference champs then the top 3 teams after that? 16 teams is to many IMO because there’s usually a big drop off in talent after the top 8
IMO, it should be at least a 10-team playoff. Other than FBS, in every sport every conference champ gets an auto-bid to the playoff/tournament/whatever you want to call it. Anything else IS elitist and short of a true playoff.
Give all 10 conference champs an autobid plus two at-large bids, so 12 teams total, then they get seeded.
Round 1: #5 vs. #12, #6 vs. #11, #7 vs. #10, #8 vs. #9; Seeds #1-4 get a bye
Very doable, and it gives everyone a fair chance to prove themselves on the field.--including a team like 2017 UCF, whose exclusion from the playoff was a capital crime.
This would be perfect and fair... Every game is important, so you want in win your conference.
Take the 5 power conference champs and the 3 highest ranked teams after that regardless of who they are that way the polls still mean something. Pretty much what Roam has been screaming for.
IMO the polls are garbage... Never like them.
They need to remove outside opinion and let the teams, all teams do it on the field.
I'm sorry, but the MAC, Sun Belt, and others are just not at the level of the Big Ten, ACC, or any other Power 5 conference.
I can't disagree with that, but the fact of the matter is they are in the same NCAA division as the Big Ten, ACC, and every other Power 5 conference. The idea that they should be given NO CHANCE at a seat at the table is beyond ridiculous. If the P5s want to separate and start their own division, they are free to do so. But they won't because they need the G5s.
There are significantly stronger conferences in every division--the Big Sky is miles above the SWAC, but do you know what? A SWAC team that wins its conference still gets an opportunity to see what it can do against the better conferences.
Again, the prospective format that I provided would give 1st round byes to the top 4 seeds, which is a huge advantage that time of the year. If the Sun Belt and MAC teams are patsies, they'll be seeded with a higher number and should provide nice tune up games for seeds #5 and 6.
I'm willing to listen to other possibilities, but any possibility that would leave out 2017 UCF is a FARCE. Disagree?
Again well said...
This comes down to the so called power 5 wanting to keep the bulk of the money. We see teams from the MAC etc win games against the power 5 teams no reason their conference champions should not get a shot in a real playoff.
Every time a change was made to tweak the system the BIGGER programs always invented some new goofy terminology to segregate themselves from everyone else. It's time for a real playoff and get rid of polls and committees...
I don’t know nitnation these conferences like the MAC can’t hold up to the big dawgs and really most teams in the power 5 conferences cant. IMO if we put the smaller conferences in a 16 team playoff the teams from the smaller conferences will get a beatdown and might even get some of their players hurt. I definitely agree with you on how they keep the money to the power 5 conferences and ND
I don’t know nitnation these conferences like the MAC can’t hold up to the big dawgs and really most teams in the power 5 conferences cant. IMO if we put the smaller conferences in a 16 team playoff the teams from the smaller conferences will get a beatdown and might even get some of their players hurt.
Southern, teams from the smaller conferences play teams from the bigger conferences at other times of the year, including in bowl games. And sometimes those teams from the "smaller conferences" beat those teams from the bigger conferences.
Take the 5 power conference champs and the 3 highest ranked teams after that regardless of who they are that way the polls still mean something. Pretty much what Roam has been screaming for.
IMO the polls are garbage... Never like them.
They need to remove outside opinion and let the teams, all teams do it on the field.
Yeah well "the field" isn't equal when you have 130 teams and at least 3 garbage conferences. Sorry but winning the Big Ten and winning the MAC are not the same. To me, that's NOT settling it on the field, that's charity.
Might as well just change the conference names at that point to Murderer's row and Creampuff.
I don’t know nitnation these conferences like the MAC can’t hold up to the big dawgs and really most teams in the power 5 conferences cant. IMO if we put the smaller conferences in a 16 team playoff the teams from the smaller conferences will get a beatdown and might even get some of their players hurt.
Southern, teams from the smaller conferences play teams from the bigger conferences at other times of the year, including in bowl games. And sometimes those teams from the "smaller conferences" beat those teams from the bigger conferences.
Yes they do... and it's quite rare. And those smaller teams from smaller conferences don't have nearly the wear and tear on them from playing NFL caliber players week in and week out. As bad as Indiana, Vanderbilt, Oregon State, etc. are... they'd still be at the top of most of the Group of 5 conferences. Last I checked those teams usually eek out 1 or 2 wins in conference play even when they are really bad.
Just because a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then doesn't mean they can do it consistently.
I agree Roam. Playing Alabama the 2nd game of the season will be different than playing them in the playoffs. When it’s nitty gritty time the big boys will kill the smaller teams. If Ohio st gets killed 31-0 by Clemson how would a MAC champion Hold up in a playoff game lol
Yeah well "the field" isn't equal when you have 130 teams and at least 3 garbage conferences. Sorry but winning the Big Ten and winning the MAC are not the same. To me, that's NOT settling it on the field, that's charity.
Might as well just change the conference names at that point to Murderer's row and Creampuff.
Just curious...keeping consistent with your philosophy, what changes would you make to the NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament? There is a far greater discrepancy between top conferences and bottom conferences there, with over twice as many conferences, and every conference gets an autobid.
Yeah well "the field" isn't equal when you have 130 teams and at least 3 garbage conferences. Sorry but winning the Big Ten and winning the MAC are not the same. To me, that's NOT settling it on the field, that's charity.
Might as well just change the conference names at that point to Murderer's row and Creampuff.
BTW, in the playoff scenario I postulated, the teams that won the Big Ten and the MAC would NOT necessarily (or very likely) be treated the same. A #2 team in the Big 10 could still make the playoff and be seeded above the MAC champion.
Yes they do... and it's quite rare. And those smaller teams from smaller conferences don't have nearly the wear and tear on them from playing NFL caliber players week in and week out. As bad as Indiana, Vanderbilt, Oregon State, etc. are... they'd still be at the top of most of the Group of 5 conferences. Last I checked those teams usually eek [sic] out 1 or 2 wins in conference play even when they are really bad.
Just because a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then doesn't mean they can do it consistently.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. I never suggested that MAC teams would beat the top SEC teams consistently, or that they should be expected to. And I'm not suggesting anything that would give the MAC champ an advantage over the SEC or B1G champ. If the MAC team is soundly thrashed in the first round of the playoff, they're out and done while other teams get to play on.
Take the 5 power conference champs and the 3 highest ranked teams after that regardless of who they are that way the polls still mean something. Pretty much what Roam has been screaming for.
IMO the polls are garbage... Never like them.
They need to remove outside opinion and let the teams, all teams do it on the field.
Yeah well "the field" isn't equal when you have 130 teams and at least 3 garbage conferences. Sorry but winning the Big Ten and winning the MAC are not the same. To me, that's NOT settling it on the field, that's charity.
Might as well just change the conference names at that point to Murderer's row and Creampuff.
Not at all... The top teams will get those bids and will play it out for a championship on the field.
You want a seat in the playoff win your conference.
