I couldn’t put the article on here but I do like the bill on college sports. I read it on ESPN but I’m sure it’s on other news as well. Let me know what y’all think. Looks like good common sense to me lol
I haven’t read the bill Southern, but Tuberville and common sense don’t seem to go together recently. Manchin does seem to be level headed though.
This is exactly why Charlie Baker was hired to be NCAA President. It's really him that put this thing together, he's been lobbying hard to get some rules in place and these two (Manchin & Tubberville) are just the sponsors of it. Yeah, it's "their bill"... but Charlie BAke deserves a ton of credit.
FYI: Charlie Baker was the Governor of Massachusetts, and had pretty much the highest approval ratings of any position at the time. He didn't run for reelection, as he took the NCAA job instead. He was brought into the NCAA, among other reasons, to lobby Congress to institute rules and regulations around NIL and other emerging issues that the NCAA has no real effective power to enforce.
We're in good hands now, the government will fix it!
@rip Exactly. If the NCAA wasn’t so inept at every step of this process, this wouldn’t be necessary. Politicians shouldn’t be overseeing or regulating college athletics. I really wish the presidents of the major conferences would get together and kick the NCAA to the curb. They add nothing to the situation. Start a new regulatory committee outside of the NCAA and make it work. The system is broken.
I really wish the presidents of the major conferences would get together and kick the NCAA to the curb. They add nothing to the situation. Start a new regulatory committee outside of the NCAA and make it work. The system is broken.
The reason it's broken is they have no power... when you say "I really wish the presidents of the major conferences would get together and kick the NCAA to the curb." it's like you think the major conferences aren't the ones who stripped and basically neutered the NCAA in the first place. The North Carolina case is a perfect example, UNC realized that the NCAA had no real power so they just said FU and basically won.
As for the major conferences getting together to do something else, that brings with it all sorts of anti-trust issues. As Supreme Court justice Gorsuch explains: "A conference acting on its own is unlikely to run afoul of Section I of the Sherman Act, a federal law that makes it illegal for competing businesses—such as competing conferences—to join hands in ways that unreasonably restrain competition."
Well, you can see in that quote where conferences "getting together" would have serious legal issues.
@roaminglion Where there’s a will, there’s a way. If they wanted to do it, it could be done. And the American way is to do things like this and not worry about the little people. Not saying I agree with that line of thinking, but that’s how things have worked for a very long time at all levels of decisions. I agree, UNC and Miami castrated the NCAA and exposed them as a fraud.
The bill goes a long way at protecting athletes while and bringing normalcy back to college sports.
@sky They should worry more about bringing normalcy and decency back to their own professions and the United States way of life without all the radical line in the sand on both sides. As I said, politics doesn’t belong in college athletics.
The people complaining about government getting involved in everything is the same people that won’t do the right thing. Government usually gets involved because in most cases they have to because the scammers and cheaters out there won’t do the right thing. I’m not a government hater and I wish they would stay out of our lives as much as possible but what else can they do when they see people taking advantage of people. Love and treat your neighbor as you do yourself and that would fix everything. Man It just kills me to see people get took advantage of. The ncaa was a bunch of crooks!
@southern-psu-fan I agree. However, when you turn the decisions over to another group of crooks and scammers…..well.
I’m not anti government either. There have to be rules and regulations. There are just certain entities that I think government doesn’t need to waste their time in getting involved in. They have bigger issues to deal with. That’s why I think they don’t belong here. Collegiate athletics needs another governing body as the NCAA has failed them.
As I said, politics doesn’t belong in college athletics.
I disagree... Title IX has entered the chat. That had a sweeping effect in athletics and was absolutely the government and politics. Waiting around for the NCAA or colleges to do it would have been terrible.
@roaminglion It wasn’t all good. Title IV helped female athletics tremendously. At the same time, many men’s athletic programs were cut as a result of it. For example, many Olympic sports were cut from college campuses like wrestling, swimming, and track and field. Just another example of the government’s intervention helping some and hurting others. Title IV had a purpose, but the results weren’t all positive
https://www.athleticscholarships.net/title-ix-college-athletics-9.htm
@roaminglion It wasn’t all good. Title IV helped female athletics tremendously. At the same time, many men’s athletic programs were cut as a result of it. For example, many Olympic sports were cut from college campuses like wrestling, swimming, and track and field. Just another example of the government’s intervention helping some and hurting others. Title IV had a purpose, but the results weren’t all positive
https://www.athleticscholarships.net/title-ix-college-athletics-9.htm
Your post only makes sense out of context... while you say it "hurt" men's sports therefor it was "bad"... yeah well that's true if you, ya know, don't mention that it forced colleges to stop passing over women and actually fund their sports and give them opportunities. So yes, it hurt men's sports in the respect that colleges could no longer keep all the money for men and had to start giving it to women.
I mean, I guess you can frame that as bad but it's like saying men used to have more opportunities at Harvard until it went coed... therefore it's bad because it hurt men by giving their spots to women.
I like women sports. Softball is probably my favorite sport for women. At the Daytona 500 this year the women in the flyover put on a show like I’ve never seen they were awesome. I just can’t express enough how awesome it was watching them women fly them fighter jets man it was fun.
Did I read they were going to get stricter on the transfer Portal and NIL? Maybe I heard it somewhere lol
@roaminglion I never said it was “bad”. You are putting words in my mouth. I said it was tremendous legislation for women’s athletics, but as a result some men’s athletics programs were cut altogether. You can look at it from a million different angles. I was simply providing an example of how the government’s intervention helped some, but hurt others as a consequence. Therefore, I don’t think politics belongs in collegiate athletics. They can’t even keep their own house in order much less manage someone else’s.
I'm with you 99. The government has plenty of more serious issues to address. Also, the problem as I see it is whenever they try to "fix" something, they don't really think it through and end up "breaking" a lot of other things.
@roaminglion I never said it was “bad”. You are putting words in my mouth. I said it was tremendous legislation for women’s athletics, but as a result some men’s athletics programs were cut altogether. You can look at it from a million different angles. I was simply providing an example of how the government’s intervention helped some, but hurt others as a consequence. Therefore, I don’t think politics belongs in collegiate athletics. They can’t even keep their own house in order much less manage someone else’s.
I mean, you said "It wasn’t all good" - So I thought you implied since the opposite of good is bad. Sorry.
"I was simply providing an example of how the government’s intervention helped some, but hurt others as a consequence." - This is an impossible standard, you're saying this is an "example" of a government program doing harm because they didn't magically create more money to pay for everything. You are framing "not everyone got what they wanted" as something that only happens because government was involved, which is a logical fallacy. There wasn't some other way to do it which would have allowed everyone to have everything all at once. This isn't something specific to government. There is a pot of cash, women weren't getting any and there was no way to make more... the alternative was to keep allowing colleges to treat women as 2nd class citizens, apparently in the hope that because politicians weren't getting involved the Universities would eventually allow women equal access AND would have found more money to pay for everything. Compromise is a thing, not just in government.
As for government having better things to do, that just seems like an excuse people use when something they don't feel is important is being talked about. It's not like Manchin is just chilling out not caring about other things because he sponsored a NIL bill. Pretty sure most of these people can walk and chew gum at the same time. I'd say Manchin is, at least, one of the guys who has actually been trying to work with both sides and get things done. He's had some hiccups here and there, stubbornly blocked some things I thought would pass, but he's much better than a lot of Congress that's for sure.
Yeah, leave it up to these people. I’m sure they will work it out smoothly and efficiently.
https://apple.news/ANWEChOhqSoqWqAZaVAFOzw
Yeah, leave it up to these people. I’m sure they will work it out smoothly and efficiently.
Yes, because the colleges and NCAA did such a bang up job of it by messing up so badly the politicians got involved. Yup, great idea... have the people who effed it up in the first place fix it instead.
@lionbacker99 they all take their turns taking heat 99 it’s just Tubbervilles now. They’ll get it worked out because they always do lol
