Coach is responsible for the plan and the execution. No different than a manager at work. If execution is poor then there is something wrong with management.
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And you would be wrong and wrong on so many levels... That whole piece of fiction you just wrote is priceless.
Coach is responsible for the plan and the execution. No different than a manager at work. If execution is poor then there is something wrong with management.
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And you would be wrong and wrong on so many levels... That whole piece of fiction you just wrote is priceless.
Meh, it's not all fiction. If players aren't executing at some point you have to look at the coaching. At some point it is their job to make sure the kids execute on the field, that is what they are paid for. They aren't paid to merely teach kids in practice and not how to execute on the field. If a team routinely doesn't execute, at some point you have to stop just blaming the players and look at the coaching.
*Again, I am not saying this pertains to Rahne... but at some point the coach needs to be responsible for what happens on the field.
Coach is responsible for the plan and the execution. No different than a manager at work. If execution is poor then there is something wrong with management. If certain players consistently don't execute then it is the coaches job to replace them or coach them up. If the whole team doesn't execute then it is clearly a coaching issue.
Sorry, at work I can't tell the boss that I called great plays (strategy) but my guys just didn't execute (execution).
The only pass I see is the strategy was good but the team is young (execution is developing). In this case I'd like to go with the young story but the Rutgers game...
Comparing business decisions that are planned out and have hours and days of execution to split second decisions in basically a battle is like comparing bananas to end tables. Players make bad and poor decisions. Otherwise you’d be saying nick saban and his staff didn’t prepare his team in those losses with great talent. Facts are facts. This is a 10-2 team in a rebuilding year with some young players that made some over acheiving plays along with some not so achievement worthy plays. We all cheered when they clobbered UM, but now some are saying the OC stunk during losses. Sometimes things just don’t work out. Rahne did a nice job. He helped produce one of the most prolific QBs in psu history and the offense looked at times better than the 9-4 2018 team that had mcsorely and That wasn’t an accident. They used the run this year more than pass. The receivers looked vanilla, and hamler was their only real deep threat. It’s a young group though with another year to get better. Will be interesting to see who they get
Obviously Rahne is doing something right as he was pursued and hired as the head football coach at a division 1 college program...I have 2 issues regarding the coaching... My opinion and I am entitled to it as you all are entitled to agree or disagree with my assessments...I am not satisfied with the offensive line play... I am growing impatient with the whole it takes time to develop an offensive line excuses...Next year they better be moving people off the ball up front cause the excuses ain't gonna fly with me next year regarding the offensive line... My 2nd issue was with the redzone offense...I felt they were very inefficient in the redzone and it cost them at Minnesota and frankly against Ohio State too...I will agree that the kids have to execute but it is the job of the coaches to put the players in a position to succeed...My opinion is the coaching staff didn't do that in the redzone...
As far as the defense is concerned I got one big problem...when it's 3rd and long nobody gets behind you...DON'T GET BEAT DEEP!!!!! Inexcusable and it happened way too often .. Sorry that ain't on the players...thats on the coaches... Other than that I think the program is on the right path...extending coach Franklin was a no brainer move in my opinion...i also believe Penn State will win a national title or even 2 under Coach Franklin's direction...The best has yet to come...
Happy holidays FD.
FD, Brown dropped an easy TD pass in the Ohio st game and he was in great position to catch the ball and tie the game up. The Minnesota game we we’re going g to score but the refs made a bad BS call that most likely cost us a TD to get the win. When it was nitty gritty crunch time we just didn’t get it done and it cost us, it happens. I’d be more concerned if our players wasn’t in position to make a play but that’s just not the case.
Meh, it's not all fiction. If players aren't executing at some point you have to look at the coaching. At some point it is their job to make sure the kids execute on the field, that is what they are paid for. They aren't paid to merely teach kids in practice and not how to execute on the field. If a team routinely doesn't execute, at some point you have to stop just blaming the players and look at the coaching.
In some cases yes that's true... In the PSU case it's not even close.
A coach get paid to prepare and this team has been prepared and put in situations to succeed by this staff.
A coach prepared every player with everything they needed from film study to team and group meetings to practicing everyday to execute... Whats great about sports like football is it's a players sport. Once that ball is snapped it is 100% on them to execute everything they were prepared for by the coaching staff.
If the players were not getting what they needed he had point but they are so he does not.
I am not even a good sofa coach! I am just getting impatient waiting for the next Penn State National Champions. It's been 30 years and I am now at point where if another 30 years pass, I may have to wait for a groundhog to deliver the newspaper so I can read about it!
Obviously Rahne is doing something right as he was pursued and hired as the head football coach at a division 1 college program...I have 2 issues regarding the coaching... My opinion and I am entitled to it as you all are entitled to agree or disagree with my assessments...I am not satisfied with the offensive line play... I am growing impatient with the whole it takes time to develop an offensive line excuses...Next year they better be moving people off the ball up front cause the excuses ain't gonna fly with me next year regarding the offensive line... My 2nd issue was with the redzone offense...I felt they were very inefficient in the redzone and it cost them at Minnesota and frankly against Ohio State too...I will agree that the kids have to execute but it is the job of the coaches to put the players in a position to succeed...My opinion is the coaching staff didn't do that in the redzone...
As far as the defense is concerned I got one big problem...when it's 3rd and long nobody gets behind you...DON'T GET BEAT DEEP!!!!! Inexcusable and it happened way too often .. Sorry that ain't on the players...thats on the coaches... Other than that I think the program is on the right path...extending coach Franklin was a no brainer move in my opinion...i also believe Penn State will win a national title or even 2 under Coach Franklin's direction...The best has yet to come...
I'm with you on the OL it needs to get better...
The team was put in a situation to succeed...
Don't get beat deep... You really think that this staff is so stupid that a basic fundamental like that is not coached. That is 100% on the player.
The one point that the Funeral guy makes that is spot on is the OL and in some case the DL...
Play at the LOS needs to improve a lot to become elite because everything runs through both fronts.
What a wonderful Christmas present this would be !! Good luck to him. Next we need a secondary coach. Maybe he might take ours with him? Memphis will pass us to death ... like a lot of others. No adjustments of note in the second half.
Not wrong.
- If a team has too many players on it that do not execute there is a systemic problem (coaching)
- If an individual player continually fails to execute but is still playing that also is a coach problem.
- I do give a pass for youth and development time.
- Position changes and scheme changes are also coaching
- Recruiting the wrong players ... again coaches
Sorry, to put execution solely on players is simplistic. Getting people to perform at high levels takes good management ad if you think coaches are not management you are very mistaken.
Week in and week out we recognize teams with poorer recruits performing at a high level, Iowa, Northwestern, and Wisconsin. We have seen PSU Teams with walkons (dark years) and no offensive lineman compete. Even a week ago we were losing at half to Rutgers.
While nobody can disagree that coaches don't drop balls you will never convince me that coaches have little responsibility for execution. It ignores motivation, psychology, culture, accountability ... all of which coaches are responsible for. A few years back when none of our players could catch a cold there were plenty of people blaming coaching. Listen to Franklin talk and you pick up that he knows the aforementioned and he knows he is responsible. Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers, Family, Positive when at all possible, very selective about negative comments and not player specific. Making people into a team is managements responsibility and don't think that not letting the team/family down is a very big motivational factor in execution.
Yes wrong... But good effort
- If a team has too many players on it that do not execute there is a systemic problem (coaching) Execution error happens to every team... Some can overcome it some cant, PSU unfortunately could not. PSU have made changes to help improve and remove some execution errors and that showed this year.
- If an individual player continually fails to execute but is still playing that also is a coach problem. Agree, but what player are you taking off the field for PSU? PSU staff works every day to help these players improve and Franklin is not one to just give up on a player. The staff is always working to build their confidence.
- I do give a pass for youth and development time. As I do I know there are execution errors for those reasons alone.
- Position changes and scheme changes are also coaching. Yeah it is and none of that played a role in losing to Minnesota or OSU
- Recruiting the wrong players ... again coaches. What are the wrong player? No coach knows if a player will pan out or not so again a non-factor.
Sorry, to put execution solely on players is simplistic. Getting people to perform at high levels takes good management ad if you think coaches are not management you are very mistaken. Not simplistic at all... The coach (Management) has prepared and given and keeps giving the players the tools they need only the player can take that to the field and bring the hard work they all put in fruition.
Week in and week out we recognize teams with poorer recruits performing at a high level, Iowa, Northwestern, and Wisconsin. We have seen PSU Teams with walkons (dark years) and no offensive lineman compete. Even a week ago we were losing at half to Rutgers. Where are these teams sitting with wins and losses? Enough said
While nobody can disagree that coaches don't drop balls you will never convince me that coaches have little responsibility for execution. It ignores motivation, psychology, culture, accountability ... all of which coaches are responsible for. I agree the coaches are responsible for that and PSU coaches have done a very good job at that but in the end "motivation, psychology, culture, accountability" is on the player when the ball is snapped, coaches do that every day.
Listen to Franklin talk and you pick up that he knows the aforementioned and he knows he is responsible. Rutgers, Rutgers, Rutgers, Family, Positive when at all possible, very selective about negative comments and not player specific. Making people into a team is managements responsibility and don't think that not letting the team/family down is a very big motivational factor in execution. Hell yeah and Franklin and this staff excel at it but players still need to take that all to the field and execute...
Bottom line if my boss gives me what I need and puts me in a position to succeed like Franklin and his staff has with their players and I fail to execute well that's on me and will always be on me. I won't be some chump that throws my boss under the bus because I'm not getting the job done. Like you said above it's accountability, accountability I have for myself.
Bottom line if my boss gives me what I need and puts me in a position to succeed like Franklin and his staff has with their players and I fail to execute well that's on me and will always be on me. I won't be some chump that throws my boss under the bus because I'm not getting the job done. Like you said above it's accountability, accountability I have for myself.
That's all well and good, and good on you not blaming your boss for your own issues... but in reality we all know how the world tends to work. If your boss's team continually fails, he's gonna get blamed for it at some point.
Unless he's a CEO, then he'll get stock options and a golden parachute.
Bottom line if my boss gives me what I need and puts me in a position to succeed like Franklin and his staff has with their players and I fail to execute well that's on me and will always be on me. I won't be some chump that throws my boss under the bus because I'm not getting the job done. Like you said above it's accountability, accountability I have for myself.
That's all well and good, and good on you not blaming your boss for your own issues... but in reality we all know how the world tends to work. If your boss's team continually fails, he's gonna get blamed for it at some point.
Unless he's a CEO, then he'll get stock options and a golden parachute.
LOL...
The world I live in has seen more workers (players) let go for not performing over a manager (coach) that has given everything that worker (player) needs to succeed...
Bottom line if my boss gives me what I need and puts me in a position to succeed like Franklin and his staff has with their players and I fail to execute well that's on me and will always be on me. I won't be some chump that throws my boss under the bus because I'm not getting the job done. Like you said above it's accountability, accountability I have for myself.
That's all well and good, and good on you not blaming your boss for your own issues... but in reality we all know how the world tends to work. If your boss's team continually fails, he's gonna get blamed for it at some point.
Unless he's a CEO, then he'll get stock options and a golden parachute.
LOL...
The world I live in has seen more workers (players) let go for not performing over a manager (coach) that has given everything that worker (player) needs to succeed...
That's nice, when I was in sales it was the other way around. Managers who had underperforming districts were pretty much always let go. One person was underperforming, that salesman would get fired. The whole district? Always the manager.
I work engineering, maybe sale is different but even so if a district sales manager gives me all the tools and knowledge and I fail I would quit before I let them take the fall for my own incompetence....
@bobs-dimpled-chin
Can't or Can? I will take the OC postion w/o pay! I promise not lose any more games in 2020 as they did in 2019 and I have never coached football in MY LIFE! I will not allow any delay of games, play more than 6 different running backs in one quarter and not allow more than 1 sack per every three games.
I promise to beat Michigan and never lose to Minny again! No guarantees with Ohio State, but I will do my best!
Oops, FTS strike again ... Fat Thumb Syndrome CAN was the operative word!
Agreed, especially on the OSU thing, seriously thought it would be a down year for them, new coach, new QB (this is before the special waiver that was granted for Fields to play). That's is why I stick to arm chair coaching rather than prognosticating! Lol, that for for Nitnation
I work engineering, maybe sale is different but even so if a district sales manager gives me all the tools and knowledge and I fail I would quit before I let them take the fall for my own incompetence....
Yeah, I'd imagine in engineering it's pretty cut and dry when it comes to working. You either get the tools you need or you don't from management. I could be wrong though...
As for sales, it's a lot less concrete as to job performance I'd expect. More about relationships, networking, utilizing money in the right places, etc. It's not like a Manager just "gives you the tools and knowledge to go do it on your own", the job is much more intertwined than that. It's weird that way, everyone thinks sales is a lone wolf type job but it's really not.
Anyways, as I've said before if one person under you is failing than it's more their problem. If everyone underneath the manager is failing... yeah the manager is either the unluckiest person in the world stuck with people who suck at their job, or maybe they aren't inspiring or managing their department as they should. I mean, their entire job is to manage the people below them and help them succeed... As I said they don't have to have a perfect track record but at some point they are responsible for performance.
Regardless, every workplace is different and has varied expectations from everyone. Semantics at this point because neither of us think Rahne was failing at his job. We both believe he was a good OC.
Players should never leave the outcome in the hands of the officials.
Players should never leave the outcome in the hands of the officials.
Soundbite nonsense. Logically it would mean it's Drew Brees' fault that the Saints didn't beat the Rams, not the Ref who committed the most egregiously terrible call in the history of the NFL.... Because "Brees and the Saints just should have scored more points then it wouldn't have mattered" Dumb
