Roam I believe chip Kelly will get UCLA back near the top. He just needs his kind of QB. They might not beat USC because they don’t get the same caliber players but they’ll be good. It might take another year though
Also I’m not trying to talk up with team UCLA or Va Tech because both teams are average
No, they aren't. I mean, dude... VT has won 4 conference championships and has 10 ten win season in 19 years. That's not average, and not even comparable to UCLA. Not one bit.
Quite simply, you're wrong. VT has had a few down years recently, but you're just plain wrong that they have been "average" this century.
Again, they've had a few down years, but don't forget they were 9-3 vs. GT since joining the ACC before the last 3 games. Again, they've been a damn good program this century, and just replaced an aging coach who hung on a bit too long. To say their program has been average and on par with UCLA? NONSENSE.
Roam I believe chip Kelly will get UCLA back on top. He just needs his kind of QB. They might not beat USC because they don’t get the same caliber players but they’ll be good. It might take another year though
"back on top" - Exactly when were they "on top" in the first place?
They’ve been garbage the last 5 or 6 years. They did have a 10 year run but like Oregon they dropped off big time. If UCLA and Va Tech played 10 times it would probably be a 5-5 series. Regardless both teams stink now but IMO UCLA future looks better. Va Tech capitalized in the early 2000’s when penn st was down but when joe got penn st back they dropped off. When teams like Va Tech get a great QB they can look better than they really are.thry had a few years where they had a good QB and a decent defense but they still couldn’t run with the big dawgs that’s why they never won a NC.
I changed it to near the top..typing error lol. Go back and look I thought something sounded wrong when I typed that lol. They had a few good years a couple of years ago
No to Syracuse. They were part of the cabal that prevented the all sports league. We need one really good team per year, a mediocre team and a cupcake. Home and home for the good team. 2 for 1 for the mediocre and home only for the cupcake.
Exactly what I’m saying navyjag
What would be the best team to put on the schedule to play every year that would help most in recruiting? Of course the way James Franklin recruits he doesn’t need any help man he’s a great coach and recruiter.
They’ve been garbage the last 5 or 6 years. They did have a 10 year run but like Oregon they dropped off big time. If UCLA and Va Tech played 10 times it would probably be a 5-5 series. Regardless both teams stink now but IMO UCLA future looks better. Va Tech capitalized in the early 2000’s when penn st was down but when joe got penn st back they dropped off. When teams like Va Tech get a great QB they can look better than they really are.thry had a few years where they had a good QB and a decent defense but they still couldn’t run with the big dawgs that’s why they never won a NC.
They won 9 games in 2017, and 10 games in 2016. I'm not sure what they heck you're talking about. Yeah, GT beat them both years... but that doesn't erase 9 and 10 wins. I don't consider that "garbage".
And your assertion that they capitalized in the early 2000's due to JoePa falling off is complete nonsense, considering they were in the National Championship game in 1999... a year before Penn State had their first losing season. They beat Texas in the Sugar Bowl in 1995, and went to the Orange Bowl in 1996. Both 10 win seasons.
That's 3 ten win seasons, 3 major bowl appearances, and a National Championship game appearance all before Penn State was bad. In 2000, the year we first had a losing season, they also went 11-1. It's just complete bias nonsense to say they only got good when we got bad. All of their initial success under Beamer came when Penn State was still a very good team in the mid to late 90s. From 1993 to now they have won 9 or more games 18 times. 18 TIMES!!!
Sorry Southern, but you're obviously just wearing Yellow Jacket colored glasses here. Yeah, they sucked last year. They did. But you're saying they were "garbage" when they won 9 and 10 games in 2016 & 2017??? What? Maybe you forgot they finished ahead of GT in the standings both of those years... even with the GT losses 🤣 😬 🤪
53-38 the last 7 years that’s a little above average. They did have a good run for 10 years but I still don’t consider them part of the big dawg family. We lost a few good players to them in the early 2000’s and IMO it was because we were having losing seasons. Frank did a pretty good job unless he was playing the big dawgs in big games that’s why he was 11-12 in bowl games. Check out all the losses in the big bowl games. Sorry Roam the bowl record against the big dawgs don’t lie lol just deal with it Roam lol
Brother,
You can't really compare what Joepa did decades ago to what Penn state or Franklin is doing now! 2 completely different eras and 2 completely different situations! When PSU was scheduling those teams that you mentioned they were not in a conference that played 9 conference games. They were independent and were not restricted by conference schedules and had to schedule those teams to try and be competitive. Back then you always heard that Penn state didn't play as tough a schedule as the conference teams. Just like people say now about Nuter Lame.
53-38 the last 7 years that’s a little above average. They did have a good run for 10 years but I still don’t consider them part of the big dawg family. We lost a few good players to them in the early 2000’s and IMO it was because we were having losing seasons. Frank did a pretty good job unless he was playing the big dawgs in big games that’s why he was 11-12 in bowl games. Check out all the losses in the big bowl games. Sorry Roam the bowl record against the big dawgs don’t lie lol just deal with it Roam lol
I think you an I have very different definitions of "average". You seeming have nothing in between of average and big dawgs.
Also, I just told you VT was playing in National Championships before 2000 and you continue to act like they didn't... and just ignore it stating that PSU doing bad is what allowed them to do well. I mean, dude they were in the national championship before we started losing! WTF?
Also... a good "10 years"??? From 1993 to 2018 they had 18 seasons winning 9+ games and 7 conference championships. THAT'S MORE THAN PENN STATE LMAO! Look, at no point did I say they are a big dawg program... but you act like it's "you're a big dawg or you're garbage".
They have been an above average team for years, and UCLA hasn't. You don't go to national championship if you are average. You also don't win 9+ games 18 times if you only had a "good ten year run". I checked the math, that doesn't add up.
They had Mike Vick when they played for the NC just like Auburn had Cam. I’ve said many times a Great QB can make your team look better than it is and I stick by that. Look at chisik with Cam and look at him without Cam, he lost his job because of losing. Frank was a good coach and I said they had some good seasons but the bottom line is when they played the big dawgs in big time bowl games they got beat. The man was 11-12 in bowl games and if I remember right his record against top 10 teams was horrible. You might think Va Tech is a great team but I don’t. I see them exactly like UCLA today and that’s just an ok football team. 53-38 roam the last 7 years that’s pretty good I guess but nothing to brag about a little better than average. They were a good team 8 to 10 years ago. I’m also looking at today and today they are definitely an average football team nothing better. I have teams stinking, average, good and great. They’ve been good but never great and today they are a little above average because that’s what 53-38 is a little above average.
IMO joe coached in this era. 2011 we were 8-1 cruising for another big 10 championship. I don’t think joe changed much over the years because he wanted to win with defense and not let the offense lose the game. I believe our offense could’ve put up many more points had joe not held them back. If joe was coaching today we’d still be winning 10 or 11 games having a chance to play for the NC every 4 or 5 years that’s the way he built teams. When I judge coaches or teams I judge first on wins, bowl games and undefeated seasons because these things are done on the field not somebody’s opinion. Joe just died in 2012 but to be honest I don’t know how long an era is so I might be wrong lol. How long is an era navylion? BTW ND and penn st always played tough teams IMO. Joe never picked on the sister of the blind he always scheduled the big dawgs and definitely played them in bowl games.
They had Mike Vick when they played for the NC just like Auburn had Cam. I’ve said many times a Great QB can make your team look better than it is and I stick by that. Look at chisik with Cam and look at him without Cam, he lost his job because of losing. Frank was a good coach and I said they had some good seasons but the bottom line is when they played the big dawgs in big time bowl games they got beat. The man was 11-12 in bowl games and if I remember right his record against top 10 teams was horrible. You might think Va Tech is a great team but I don’t. I see them exactly like UCLA today and that’s just an ok football team. 53-38 roam the last 7 years that’s pretty good I guess but nothing to brag about a little better than average. They were a good team 8 to 10 years ago. I’m also looking at today and today they are definitely an average football team nothing better. I have teams stinking, average, good and great. They’ve been good but never great and today they are a little above average because that’s what 53-38 is a little above average.
My goodness this is getting freaking frustrating. Please stop saying things like "you may think they are a great team" when I specifically state in just about every one of my posts that I don't think they are a great team. I have to wonder who's posts you are reading, because they can't be mine. I said they are above average and ahead of UCLA, not great. Every time.
I also have not freaking clue how you consider UCLA as the same as Virginia Tech.
VT has 7 conference championships since 1993, has played in a NC game, and has 18 seasons where they went 9+ wins. They have been to multiple BCS/NY6 bowls and won some, and lost some. They are roughly 12-12 in bowl games.
UCLA has 0 conference championships since 1993, hasn't even come close to a NC game, has 3 seasons where they won 9 games or more, and is 6-13 in bowl games since 1993 winning no BCS/NY6 games at all.
IN WHAT WORLD ARE THESE TWO TEAMS SIMILAR?
You also keep focusing on VT's last 7 years, a time in which they had an aging coach fighting cancer. You wash away PSU's bad years (2000-2005) giving them no thought whatsoever, yet you continually use these few years of mediocre teams as proof that VT is just average and no better than UCLA. All while completely discounting or blocking out 20+ years of football prior to them.
IMO joe coached in this era. 2011 we were 8-1 cruising for another big 10 championship. I don’t think joe changed much over the years because he wanted to win with defense and not let the offense lose the game. I believe our offense could’ve put up many more points had joe not held them back. If joe was coaching today we’d still be winning 10 or 11 games having a chance to play for the NC every 4 or 5 years that’s the way he built teams. When I judge coaches or teams I judge first on wins, bowl games and undefeated seasons because these things are done on the field not somebody’s opinion. Joe just died in 2012 but to be honest I don’t know how long an era is so I might be wrong lol. How long is an era navylion? BTW ND and penn st always played tough teams IMO. Joe never picked on the sister of the blind he always scheduled the big dawgs and definitely played them in bowl games.
"If joe was coaching today we’d still be winning 10 or 11 games having a chance to play for the NC every 4 or 5 years that’s the way he built teams."
I have to wonder how you come to this conclusion, since Joe never played in a NC game since 1986 and never had a chance since 1994. That's over 25 years with 1 team that deserved a shot. 2005 didn't deserve it over USC or Texas, and 2008 blew it against Iowa.
Joe was great, but he wasn't playing for NC's every 5 years.
68, 69,, 73, 78,82,86, 91,94,99, 05, 2011 was a good team that would’ve possibly won the rest of their games but I think 2012 was the year we had a great chance to play for the NC. 91, 99 and 05 we had the teams but just didn’t get it done. Joe built teams to have a chance to play don’t mean they did. These 3 years the teams were stacked we just lost a game or 2 that we shouldn’t have. Others big dawg teams do the same thing. Florida st had a bunch of teams that had a chance to play for the NC but they blew a few games and didn’t get it done.
As for Mike Vick masking a mediocre team, they had 10 win seasons before he showed up and after he left. So no, he didn't mask anything. After Vick left they won 4 ACC conference championships in 10 years, and won 10 games or more 8 times in 10 years.
That's a lot of success for a team that just had a really good QB and nothing else.
IMO joe coached in this era. 2011 we were 8-1 cruising for another big 10 championship. I don’t think joe changed much over the years because he wanted to win with defense and not let the offense lose the game. I believe our offense could’ve put up many more points had joe not held them back. If joe was coaching today we’d still be winning 10 or 11 games having a chance to play for the NC every 4 or 5 years that’s the way he built teams. When I judge coaches or teams I judge first on wins, bowl games and undefeated seasons because these things are done on the field not somebody’s opinion. Joe just died in 2012 but to be honest I don’t know how long an era is so I might be wrong lol. How long is an era navylion? BTW ND and penn st always played tough teams IMO. Joe never picked on the sister of the blind he always scheduled the big dawgs and definitely played them in bowl games.
First Brother, your argument was about scheduling so you can't flip to wins losses and bowl games now, that was not what the conversation was about that you started! You stated, “Joe Paterno always schedule Alabama USC Texas Nebraska when they were good and ND so it’s time that James Franklin get some beef on the schedule.”
So to answer your question. An era is a period of time, so you can say Joe coached during the independent era of Penn state, then the post independent era or the start of the Penn State Big 10 era. 2 different periods in time.
2 different eras and ways to go about scheduling! So let's take opinion and emotion out of it and let's look at statistics by looking at strength of schedule through the post independent years in the B1G.
Starting in the JOEPA era from the 2002-2003 season because that is how far back the stats were tracked. Joepa coach up until the 2012 season, almost the whole season. This strength of schedule ranking below was calculated after the results of each season.
Your argument was PSU/Joe scheduled stronger teams than PSU/Franklin does. “Joe Paterno always schedule Alabama USC Texas Nebraska when they were good and ND so it’s time that James Franklin get some beef on the schedule.”
JoePa era = 2002-03 35th, 2003-04 43rd, 2005-06 7th, 2006-07 36, 2007-08 44th, 2008-09 5th, 2009-10 49th, 2010-11 51st, 2011-12 30th, 2012-13 49th,
Bill O’Brien = 2013-14 57th, 2014-15 53rd,
Franklin years below
2015-16 54th,
2016-17 12th NOTE: UGA was 40th
2017-18 5th NOTE: Alabama 6th, GA 7th
2018-19 16th NOTE OSU 15th.
2019-2020 To be determined
So if you took the average of PSU/JoePa’s yearly Strength of schedule it averages out to an average strength of schedule of 34.9. Average out PSU/Franklins strength of schedule it averages out to 28.0.
So I just proved with statistics that the schedules that JoePa played in the Big 10 were not any better than what Franklin has played and statistically Frankilin has actually played a harder strength of schedule than JoePa!!!!!
Not to mention that the last 3 years of the Franklin era, PSU strength of schedule ranked 12th, 5th and 16th was actually tougher than Georgia, Alabama and Ohio State.
68, 69,, 73, 78,82,86, 91,94,99, 05, 2011 was a good team that would’ve possibly won the rest of their games but I think 2012 was the year we had a great chance to play for the NC. 91, 99 and 05 we had the teams but just didn’t get it done. Joe built teams to have a chance to play don’t mean they did. These 3 years the teams were stacked we just lost a game or 2 that we shouldn’t have. Others big dawg teams do the same thing. Florida st had a bunch of teams that had a chance to play for the NC but they blew a few games and didn’t get it done.
"Joe built teams to have a chance to play don’t mean they did." So by this standard VT had teams that had a chance to play for the NC in 1999, 2000, and 2007. And they actually did play for it in 1999.
As for 68, 69, 73, 78, 82, and 86? Again I wonder who's posts you are reading because I said since 1986 Joe didn't have a team in a NC game. Not sure why anything 1986 or previous would matter if I said "since 1986".
IMO joe coached in this era. 2011 we were 8-1 cruising for another big 10 championship. I don’t think joe changed much over the years because he wanted to win with defense and not let the offense lose the game. I believe our offense could’ve put up many more points had joe not held them back. If joe was coaching today we’d still be winning 10 or 11 games having a chance to play for the NC every 4 or 5 years that’s the way he built teams. When I judge coaches or teams I judge first on wins, bowl games and undefeated seasons because these things are done on the field not somebody’s opinion. Joe just died in 2012 but to be honest I don’t know how long an era is so I might be wrong lol. How long is an era navylion? BTW ND and penn st always played tough teams IMO. Joe never picked on the sister of the blind he always scheduled the big dawgs and definitely played them in bowl games.
Anything after if or but is BS brother and there are a lot of if's in your post! Luv Ya Man!!! LOL!!!
We played Alabama in 2010 and 2011 his last 2 years of coaching. Who have we played that good since? OOC games
IMO joe coached in this era. 2011 we were 8-1 cruising for another big 10 championship. I don’t think joe changed much over the years because he wanted to win with defense and not let the offense lose the game. I believe our offense could’ve put up many more points had joe not held them back. If joe was coaching today we’d still be winning 10 or 11 games having a chance to play for the NC every 4 or 5 years that’s the way he built teams. When I judge coaches or teams I judge first on wins, bowl games and undefeated seasons because these things are done on the field not somebody’s opinion. Joe just died in 2012 but to be honest I don’t know how long an era is so I might be wrong lol. How long is an era navylion? BTW ND and penn st always played tough teams IMO. Joe never picked on the sister of the blind he always scheduled the big dawgs and definitely played them in bowl games.
Anything after if or but is BS brother and there are a lot of if's in your post! Luv Ya Man!!! LOL!!!
And we got blown out 24-3 and 27-11. How did that help our cause? Still can't argue that the schedule Franklin has played a tougher strength of schedule!! STATS DON"T LIE!!! I'm done! Arguing with you is like arguing with my wife, CAN'T WIN!!! LOL!!!
