@rip I’d just like to know what the hell is going on with these punks today to do this stuff. I’d grab a helmet and hit somebody in the head if they did something like that to me brother.
Roam, who do they pick to haze? I’m assuming somebody they think they can pick on?
Some nut in Atlanta shot up the place and killed 4 people smh
I'm not talking about that. I was referring to what Fitzgerald knew or didn't know about those carryings on. As far as I can tell, it's the old story.... he's the head coach so he had to know.
Or maybe it's the story of he's in charge, so the buck stops at the top. Or are head coaches not responsible for the conduct of their players at their facilities? I mean, at what point do you blame a head coach for years of players behaving horribly? Are coaches responsible for their players or not?
He was fired because he ran a program that had a horrible culture. Yeah, that's his fault. The culture he fostered there went horribly wrong.
In my simple mind, it all boils down to whether he knew what was going on or didn't. I may have missed it, but I haven't seen anywhere that it was proven that he knew about the hazing. I did see where he flat out denied any knowledge of what was going on. Yes, coaches are responsible for what the players are doing and for what is going on IF they know about it. I don't think a coach should be blamed for fostering a culture if they aren't aware that the culture exists. Did any of the victims bring it to the attention of Fitzgerald, any of the assistant coaches or anyone in the administration? Again, unless I missed it, I don't believe anyone did. I just feel Fitzgerald is being made a scapegoat. Hypothetically, if he did know about the hazing, surely his assistants knew too. Were any of them fired? No, they were all retained from what I've read.
I think there is a legal distincion and job distintion here. As head of a team, as a coach, you are absolutly responsible for the culture of your team. If it's found that players have been acting terribly FOR YEARS, that casts serious doubts on how effective you are as a leader. It is the coaches duty to manage his players, not claim ignorance of their behavior. That is a failure of the job.
Criminally? No, absolutly not. He is not responsible for that conduct if he did not know about it. That is a way different set of standards.
I do believe he failed at his job, but that doesnt make him a "bad" person or criminal. I see a distinction.
What you're saying makes sense, but I still don't think he deserved to be fired.
You would probably feel differently if it was your kid that was getting slapped by a bunch of other dude’s schlongs while on the football time clock.
I’m surprised we don’t hear about kids getting revenge for being hazed. If it goes on that much surely there’s kids out there that will beat the shit out of somebody for doing that to ‘em. Sometimes you gotta fight back even if it’s a dirty shot from behind. Maybe they do and it gets swept under the rug?
If he knew about it & condoned it, absolutely. If he didn't know, I'd probably press criminal charges against the dudes with the schlongs!
@rip Easy to say from outside the situation, but would you give him a pass if it was your kid and there were others saying it had been the culture there for some time? Isn’t it his job to build the culture? If he didn’t know what the culture was within his own program, maybe that’s why the were so bad last year? Maybe he should have been shown the door earlier for being out of touch with his own program? I have no idea what actually happened here, but to say he was scapegoated or whatever other conspiracy theories are out there about the situation seems closed minded to me until all the details become public. I’m not for or against him being fired, but I wonder who amongst those saying he shouldn’t have been fired actually know anything significant? My guess is none other than speculation and trying too hard to “read between the lines.”
My point exactly! You don't fire a guy until you have all the facts. If the facts justify it, shit can his arse. When you fire someone before knowing all the facts, it is nothing other than scapegoating the person to deflect criticism of the organization. There's no conspiracy theory in that,
@rip You missed the point. The school has the info. We, the public, do not. So, some are jumping to conclusions with limited info that he should, or should not have been fired.
Then it's on the school for not sharing the information for the basis of the firing when they announced the firing!
@rip Perhaps there are legal reasons for that? Why are we assuming we are entitled to all information all the time?
Then it's on the school for not sharing the information for the basis of the firing when they announced the firing!
Why does a private organization have to tell anyone why they fired someone? We have no right to that information.
@roaminglion is NW private if they get money from the government? We have a very very few players saying they were hazed but what about the 100,000 players that are backing Fitz does their say not matter? I’m just asking I don’t know what happened but I do know if it’s as bad as the media is reporting NW wouldn’t win like they have the last 15 years. To win at NW like Fitz has you have to be very disciplined and do pretty much everything right and if there’s a so called culture problem I don’t believe you can because there would be to many distractions. Fitz knew but the other coaches that didn’t get fired didn’t. It may have happened to a kid but to say this went on as businesses as usual it total BS.like I said, you may pick on a kid here and there but most kids will fight back and if it’s as bad as they say everybody that has anything to do with NW including the president of the school knew about it. It’s a bad thing if it happened but I believe it’s a few punks and a couple of kids. It probably happens at every school.
10,000 not 100,000 I figured that’s how may kids he’s coached.also, if these punks that did the hazing doesn’t go to jail that probably means it didn’t happen the way the media is reporting.
I'm not assuming I'm entitled to all the information. However, when some information is being withheld, you can't blame rational people for forming their opinion based on the information that is available. And that's all it is... an opinion...and that's something we're all entitled to.
You're right, Roam. They don't have to. The full story will eventually come out, as it usually does. In the meantime, people will speculate. It's just human nature to "sometimes wonder why can't I wear white after Labor Day"., lol.
@roaminglion is NW private if they get money from the government? We have a very very few players saying they were hazed but what about the 100,000 players that are backing Fitz does their say not matter? I’m just asking I don’t know what happened but I do know if it’s as bad as the media is reporting NW wouldn’t win like they have the last 15 years. To win at NW like Fitz has you have to be very disciplined and do pretty much everything right and if there’s a so called culture problem I don’t believe you can because there would be to many distractions. Fitz knew but the other coaches that didn’t get fired didn’t. It may have happened to a kid but to say this went on as businesses as usual it total BS.like I said, you may pick on a kid here and there but most kids will fight back and if it’s as bad as they say everybody that has anything to do with NW including the president of the school knew about it. It’s a bad thing if it happened but I believe it’s a few punks and a couple of kids. It probably happens at every school.
Yes, they are. Tesla gets government subsidies but they are still private. Someone giving you money doesn't mean they own you.
And players weren't just "saying" it happened, there was reportedly proof on internet boards that the team had made a list of victims who had been "run", and others who needed to be "run".
10,000 not 100,000 I figured that’s how may kids he’s coached.also, if these punks that did the hazing doesn’t go to jail that probably means it didn’t happen the way the media is reporting.
"if these punks that did the hazing doesn’t go to jail that probably means it didn’t happen the way the media is reporting."
Only one person went to jail for hiding people's money, over leveraging accounts, and breaking all sorts of banking laws that lead to the 2008 collapse and bail out of many major banks.
Do you think no one else did anything wrong because they didn't go to jail?
C'mon Roam. If it's on an internet board it's gotta be true??????
So you think the guys on the team just happened to make lists years ago for fun? I mean, such a coincidence that they have lists of the victims, right? You're kidding right?
It's the same as keeping a journal, which are admissible in court. They wrote lists of who they wanted to abuse, at the alleged time that abuse occurred. I mean... dude, you think they were writing lists about abusing people for a fantasy novel?
@roaminglion it’s a sick thing Roam I’m just surprised all the coaches weren’t fired nit it’s true but what I’m really surprised at is these guys don’t fight back. There’s always exceptions Roam but wouldn’t you think one kid would’ve grabbed a helmet and beat somebody’s ass because I’m sure if it’s a real good ass kicking Fitz would’ve wanted to know why they were fighting. These football players are tough dudes so it’s not like they’re wimpy. I don’t know brother it’s a different world today.
