@roaminglion I’m not comparing the 2 teams I’m just saying neither one of ‘em belong in the playoffs but I do believe if they finish undefeated they should get a top bowl just to see how they stack up against the big boys.
That's a bit of a weird statement considering every time one of those teams wins a big bowl game you say the other team didn't want to be there, had players missing, or something else to explain away how they were able to compete.
This is exactly what I'm talking about: People say things like this and act like they should be grateful to be in a top bowl game against the "big boys", but when they win those same people say that the other team didn't care and it doesn't mean anything. I'm sick of this chit, just put em in the damn playoff and lets see.
@roaminglion I said that last year and Cincinnati didn’t win. When has a 2nd tier team won a big time bowl game since these playoffs started? They may have but I don’t remember one. Put ‘em in a big bowl and let’s see but not the 4 team playoffs
How about UCF beating Auburn and going undefeated and being locked out of the playoff? They beat the same Auburn team that beat Bama and handed the eventual "national champion" their only loss? I know this much...If you don't let em play you will never know...
I believe Boise State went undefeated and beat Oklahoma one year and I believe that was a playoff year as well...
@roaminglion I said that last year and Cincinnati didn’t win. When has a 2nd tier team won a big time bowl game since these playoffs started? They may have but I don’t remember one. Put ‘em in a big bowl and let’s see but not the 4 team playoffs
Since the playoffs started in 2014, Boise State, Houston, and UCF have all won a NY6 bowl game. Several others have lost by a TD or less.
Sorry, but that's not a good argument you have there. Many of those teams have shown they can hold their own.
Oklahoma or auburn were not top 4 teams them years auburn lost 4 games and Oklahoma lost 3. Good wins for the them 2 teams but we’re talking top 4 not top 10. Get in the top 4 it’s nitty gritty time baby and I said if it’s top 8 I would give them a chance but not top 4 baby, ain’t happening. Frost was the coach at UCF when they went undefeated so ask him how hard it is to win when you play 4 or 5 big dawg teams every year or you can check Nebraska record since he got there and you can check Luke Fickell record the one year he coached Ohio St
Give up, Southern. Let's put Cincy in. As was said in the bible about Satan...."and he shall lead them as lambs to the slaughter". lol.
@rip Mr Bob, I’m all for giving Cincinnati and UTSA a chance in the playoffs if it’s an eight or 12 team but 4 it ain’t happening. You see how hard it is to get in the top 4 man, it’s a dog fight and that’s the way it needs to stay if we going to do only 4 teams. Every team don’t get a chance at this trophy 🏆. If I had my way about it, you would only have 4 conference champs from the power 5 and it’s called the power 5 for a reason baby😂
I agree, Southern. Just pulling your leg.
Oklahoma or auburn were not top 4 teams them years auburn lost 4 games and Oklahoma lost 3. Good wins for the them 2 teams but we’re talking top 4 not top 10. Get in the top 4 it’s nitty gritty time baby and I said if it’s top 8 I would give them a chance but not top 4 baby, ain’t happening. Frost was the coach at UCF when they went undefeated so ask him how hard it is to win when you play 4 or 5 big dawg teams every year or you can check Nebraska record since he got there and you can check Luke Fickell record the one year he coached Ohio St
This makes absolutly no sense. You say "lets see what they do in a big bowl", then when shown say "well those teams arent top 4"
Well duh, yeah... BECAUSE NO ONE IS GIVING THEM A CHANCE TO PLAY THE TOP 4. See what I mean?
You JUST DID exactly what I said is BS. You stated that they havent won big bowls outside the playoff since it started, then when shown 3 of them did it's all "but, but, but they werent really that big anyway". As icing on the top, you then go on to say they didnt play any top 4 teams, when the top 4 are the ones in the playoff... they ones no one will let them play in the first place!
The playoffs are for the power 5 teams roam and pretty much for conference champs you know that they said it when this thing started. When we get 8 or 12 teams I’m sure the CFP committee will get a team like Cincinnati in every once in a while. They’re not going to let teams like Cincinnati get that money roam and you know it. They’ll let ‘em have bowl money but not playoff money
The playoffs are for the power 5 teams roam and pretty much for conference champs you know that they said it when this thing started. When we get 8 or 12 teams I’m sure the CFP committee will get a team like Cincinnati in every once in a while. They’re not going to let teams like Cincinnati get that money roam and you know it. They’ll let ‘em have bowl money but not playoff money
No, they actually did not say that. They specifically stated that Group of 5 teams had a chance. Sorry, they did not state in any way that it was for just for Power 5 teams or even conference champs. Quite opposite, they definitly said IT WAS NOT about conference champs.
Also, if these Power 5 conferences are soooooo good and tough week in and week out... how come teams from the AAC played them well this year? Shouldn't they be blowing them out since the Power 5's are "so much tougher"? Why is Oklahoma barely beating LAST PLACE Tulane? Why is Tulsa playing Ohio State AND Oklahoma State in close games? Why is East Carolina losing by only 3 to SEC teams South Carolina? SMU beating TCU? Cincy beating ND? I thought these teams were SO MUCH TOUGHER?
Seems from top to bottom the teams in the AAC gave multiple teams from Power 5 conferences all they could handle, but yet you keep saying they aren't good. It's always "Oklahoma is playing better now" or "Ohio State looked past them" or "Oklahoma State was lazy" or some other nonsense to explain away why AAC teams play well in games against the top teams or others in Power 5 conferences.
I'm sorry, but you do not get to say the AAC is not good or competitive when their last place team almost beats undefeated Oklahoma. Or a middling team in 6th place in the ACC plays BOTH Ohio State and Oklahoma in tight games. SMU BEAT TCU. Cincy BEAT ND. Memphis BEAT Mississippi State.
These are not one offs or flukes. It's quite clear (if you truly believe that things are proven on the field, which it doesn't seem that you do) that teams from the ACC are capable and competitive against the teams you are saying "are much tougher" then them. Many, many times this year AAC teams won, or lost by less than a TD. That is not something you get to call "not tough". At what point does the AAC get credit? When their last place team beats Oklahoma? Is that the standard?
@roaminglion Ohio St beat Tulsa by 3 touchdowns , Cincy got a lucky goal line fumble by Tulsa to hold on . Cincy is not a top 4 team but if they win out ,they deserve to be in . OSU is a top 4 team and if they lose again ,they will be out . Oklahoma is getting screwed but probably isnt a top 4 team ...the top 4 teams are Geor., BAMA , Ohio St and Ok State or Tex AM .. Michigan would be 5 , Cincy 6
@roaminglion I said pretty much conference champs just like when I say 99.99999999% I leave a slim to none situation just in case just like this committee does because there’s always a slim to none thing that can happen. When this thing come down the pipe they said conference champs and head to head mean the most that’s why I was confused when they left Penn St out because the committee said if there’s a good reason behind a loss they would take that in consideration and having a new OC recovering from death penalty sanctions was a great excuse to lose early in the season especially after when we started clicking how good we was in 2016 we would really kicked Ohio States ass at the end of the season that year. It’s so about the money Roam and you have to connect the dots with this committee because nothing is written in stone. You are a VERY smart dude and I mean very, very smart dude Roam but you struggle sometimes when you have to connect the dots and with this committee you have to connect a lot of dots. David Jones did a piece last year on why nobody but the big dawgs was going to get in the playoffs I’m sure you can find it it’s on pennlive and I actually agreed with pretty much everything he said. With 4 teams they will not let the AAC teams in, hell they don’t even want Oklahoma in from the rankings. The chit will have to hit the fan for ‘em to get in but at least they got a chance but not really 😂
Roam, I hope you took what I said as a compliment because I 100% meant it that way. You, underlion and FD blow me away on some of your post I’m always trying to look something up lol. I really do believe y’all think teams like Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina should get in I’m just telling you under a 4 team playoffs system I don’t see it happening it might with 8 teams but more likely with 12 teams.
Roam, I hope you took what I said as a compliment because I 100% meant it that way. You, underlion and FD blow me away on some of your post I’m always trying to look something up lol. I really do believe y’all think teams like Cincinnati and Coastal Carolina should get in I’m just telling you under a 4 team playoffs system I don’t see it happening it might with 8 teams but more likely with 12 teams.
I don't think you understand my argument, because you're saying "I don't see the money". I absolutely see the money, I am arguing that is bs and we need to get away from it.
Arguing that Cincinnati should be in doesn't mean I don't understand why the committee would possibly leave them out. I do understand it but I'm not going to talk about it like it's fair and we just have to live with it.
If we all did that, we wouldn't have the BCS or Playoff... and still be dealing with nonsense like what happened to PSU in 94.
@roaminglion Ohio St beat Tulsa by 3 touchdowns , Cincy got a lucky goal line fumble by Tulsa to hold on . Cincy is not a top 4 team but if they win out ,they deserve to be in . OSU is a top 4 team and if they lose again ,they will be out . Oklahoma is getting screwed but probably isnt a top 4 team ...the top 4 teams are Geor., BAMA , Ohio St and Ok State or Tex AM .. Michigan would be 5 , Cincy 6
Go loom at that game again, because it was a 7 point game with 4 minutes left in the 4th quarter. So no, Ohio State absolutly struggled againt Tulsa but won in a very misleading score.
Also, one head to head game doesn't mean much. LSU got crushed by UCLA and then Alabama needed a late stop to win againt LSU. Does that mean UCLA is better than Alabama?
Teams like LSU and Texas that might be struggling have the talent to put a game together and beat anybody including Georgia and Alabama
This is why I am saying Ohio State will end up with 3 losses when it is all said and done! They have a good team, but they struggled against two other pretty good teams ( Penn State and Oregon ) and a not so good team Nebraska....although I think they have done a good job this year in spite of their record.
As for Cincy, lets not forget about their Peach Bowl game last year vs Georgia. The Dawgs were down 21-10 in the 4th quarter and came back to win by 3. Now, I just watched Cincy tonight against a very bad South Florida team and they did not look like a team deserving of a top 4 spot of the CFP. They won 45-28, but were down 7, then took control and then let South Florida back in the game in the 4th before finally closing the deal. That won't work against any of the current top 10 teams!
Should be an interesting Saturday! Watch Penn State blow Michigan right out of Beaver Stadium and then struggle against Rutgers the following week! LOL
GO STATE!!!
Teams like LSU and Texas that might be struggling have the talent to put a game together and beat anybody including Georgia and Alabama
ROTFLMAO... and there it is. It's not really about on the field results, it's about perceived talent.
Sorry but I'd rather actually see results and include Cincy than say "Texas is a tough win" because they recruit well but usually suck.
@roaminglion just win baby! I could care less how many points we win by as long as we win because I know teams have good weeks and they have weeks where they can’t get out of their own way. I didn’t say beating Texas and LSU were tough wins but they are good wins when you beat these 2 teams because they have good players. Like last year when we beat Michigan, it was a good win regardless of their record especially beating them on the road. Michigan has good players but it only take’s struggling at QB to make the whole team look like chit. Roam, honestly now, if you were to bet your money this year would you bet your hard earned money on Cincinnati to beat Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma,Ohio St or Oregon? Not me baby. You and man man FD probably would 😂
You know, they have the GOAT Joe Paterno ranked #2 in wins now he’s behind some coach from a lightweight division when they use to keep the big dawgs separate because they knew how tough it was to win coaching the big boys. Ranking Cincinnati up there with the big dawgs is like ranking that coach John Gaglairi with the GOAT Joe Paterno..ain’t happening baby!
I'd rather play the game and find out than say "probably not" and never let them try.
That's why they play the games, not just give a victory to who has better odds.
Let me get this straight...The year UCF beat Auburn in the bowl game to go undefeated Auburn was no good cause they lost 3 or 4 games that year but yet they were good enough to beat Bama who was the mythical "national champ"...So Auburn beating Bama a month earlier and losing to UCF in the bowl game means nothing? I don't get your logic if you have any logic at all with this argument...
