I guess the days of always knowing who (and what you have to work with) from one season to the next is pretty much over. Almost seems like a Sunday afternoon pick up game from back in the day. I realize there has been a "few" success stories, but do these transfers think their stock has risen THAT much from the time they were recruited from high school? A lot of these guys end up at a place that is less than their original school.
I can't blame any of them. I would rather play at small school vs sitting on the bench anyday. And is is not like George left a a TOP RANKED team to get more playing time. He did play in all 12 games, he just didn't set the world on fire....and dropped some easy passes too!
Before you know it, we will see a draft for players coming out of high school. Not sure what this would like, but I see it coming down the pike sometime!
That's an interesting point about a HS draft.
IMO it will boil down to who pays the most for the elite players and the rest will just be the same old fodder BS. Players will receive a scholarship somewhere, get pissed about not playing and hit the portal or develop and get wind of NIL offer somewhere else and hit the portal, or just stay where they started and finish out with a degree and go get a job, lol.
@psu61 I like the transfer portal it gives other teams a chance in picking up some good football players from teams that might be stacked at a position. We’re stacked at WR so hopefully it will workout for George. Hopefully we can pick up a few to help out on the OL. I’d keep an eye on who leaves Alabama and Georgia instead of Cornell and Harvard 😂
PSU's been doing as poor as any team in the country so far and currently has a portal class ranking around 100 and is also the worst in the B1G
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PSU now has the #101 ranked portal class for 2022.
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Transfer portal = city league rec football 3rd -7th grade.
I actually like the portal myself; hell if you can't get on the field at State U might as well go somewhere else to get a chance. Sometimes it really does boil down to wrong player for wrong system or some other internal politics; no different than in the real world job market.
MtNit Back, I think in the Chris Ash days...maybe before Ash, there was a few Rutgers fans calling for Rutgers to get their pick of B!G recruits, so that they could be more competitive. It'd be interesting to see a model of how a HS player draft would work and how long it'd take to run through all the eligible players.
If I was student athlete, I'm pretty sure I'd like to have a little say in what school I'd be attending. So that if/when I wasn't one of the 1.7% that go on to play pro ball, I'd have a decent education, in the field I picked, to fall back on to help foster a career.
MtNit Back, I think in the Chris Ash days...maybe before Ash, there was a few Rutgers fans calling for Rutgers to get their pick of B!G recruits, so that they could be more competitive. It'd be interesting to see a model of how a HS player draft would work and how long it'd take to run through all the eligible players.
If I was student athlete, I'm pretty sure I'd like to have a little say in what school I'd be attending. So that if/when I wasn't one of the 1.7% that go on to play pro ball, I'd have a decent education, in the field I picked, to fall back on to help foster a career.
Personally I feel you can get a decent education at any school you pick, there's no division one school that has bad undergraduate education...
Not one business is going to really care where you got your undergraduate, more or less it's becoming a society that wants to know where you got your masters
@roaminglion Was thinking more along the line of going to a school that specializes in the area you want your education.
@roaminglion Was thinking more along the line of going to a school that specializes in the area you want your education.
The beauty of the portal and graduate transfers is after getting your degree, you can transfer to a school that has a strong masters program in whatever you want. If the NFL is not in your future, it's a perfect way to get one more year of football in while getting specific training for your next career. 👍👍👍
I agree in principle with most comments made. Regarding education, college football is now much less about that and more about money and publicity for the institution.
In this day of NIL's, transfer portals and opt outs, I don't think education is even a consideration!
@rip I may be in the minority here, but never viewed college as "getting an education". Is that really why people in the 80s, 90s, and nowadays went to college? Because they wanted to "be educated"?
I've always looked at it as preparing you for a job, not merely "to be educated". I know those are very similar, but it is a distinction I view as important. I don't believe people are going to college just to learn things, I think many are going there because they want a job, or want to prepare themselves to get a job.
In that respect, I've never found fault in any player leaving early. He feels prepared for the job he wants and goes out to do it. Same could be said of Bill Gates or Mark Zuckerburg... Once they had an idea for a business, they left. College wasn't going to provide them any more insight into what they needed to do, and they could always just go back if they failed.
Unless today's kids are that different from the "old days", the majority don't know what type of job or career they want to pursue. I believe the educational value of college is to expose them to different disciplines and give them the opportunity to explore the many options available. For those that know what they want to do for the rest of their lives, perhaps a specialized technical institution or trade school would be a better place to go. It certainly would be a cheaper option, but then again these schools don't offer high profile athletic programs. If a kid is going to college to pursue his dream of an NFL career, maybe our Universities should be offering a pre-pro major. Why waste his time on getting a traditional education?
Unless today's kids are that different from the "old days", the majority don't know what type of job or career they want to pursue. I believe the educational value of college is to expose them to different disciplines and give them the opportunity to explore the many options available. For those that know what they want to do for the rest of their lives, perhaps a specialized technical institution or trade school would be a better place to go. It certainly would be a cheaper option, but then again these schools don't offer high profile athletic programs. If a kid is going to college to pursue his dream of an NFL career, maybe our Universities should be offering a pre-pro major. Why waste his time on getting a traditional education?
"Why waste his time on getting a traditional education?"
You said why earlier in your post: "the majority don't know what type of job or career they want to pursue"
Football players are no different from any other student. There are plenty of people who enter college thinking they will do one thing, and in their time there they find out they want to do something else, aren't good enough to do what they want, or what they want to pursue may not be in their best interest long term.
A kid playing football who realizes he won't make it into the NFL is no different from a kid studying astrophysics who realizes he's not cut out for that profession. Both can pivot into something else in order to better prepare them for their future.
But you said earlier you "never viewed college as "getting an education"". I replied "I believe the educational value of college is to expose them to different disciplines and give them the opportunity to explore the many options available". I agree that all students, including football players, benefit from "getting an education" provided by the college experience.
But you said earlier you "never viewed college as "getting an education"". I replied "I believe the educational value of college is to expose them to different disciplines and give them the opportunity to explore the many options available". I agree that all students, including football players, benefit from "getting an education" provided by the college experience.
Yes, I said to prepare them for a job... not simply getting educated to "be educated". I even noted that it's "a distinction I view as important."
To me there's a difference between learning for fun or self-improvement... and learning in order to gain the qualifications and/or knowledge necessary for a job that you want to do... or find out what you want to do. College for me was always the latter, getting you ready for something else and not merely a sign of intelligence. I feel like most people go to college with a goal in mind, not just to merely learn stuff. There in lies my point... if you've reached that goal and don't need college anymore to realize the next part of your life... why stay?
Why are people getting so annoyed or mad at players for leaving early? Because they realized their dream and felt prepared for what came next? Why should they stay, no one is saying they can't come back if they want. NFL doesn't work out? Sure! Come on back and get your degree, no problem! What's the big deal?
I also believe a college "education" is also as much about the contacts you make while at that institution as it is about the book learning...College is as much about the social environment as it is about the classroom...
Each college has a mission statement regarding its educational goals. It’s the college’s job to fulfill the statement. At the foundation of every college degree is the liberal arts experience. Extra curricular activities contribute to the total educational experience including both intramural and competitive athletics. Too many D1 athletes have no interest in “gaining from the total educational experience” and only want to enhance their athletic performance hoping to sign a lucrative professional contact. This is the way it is. Unfortunately most revenue producing collegiate athletic programs have swayed far from the original educational goals of competitive sports.
Speaking for myself, I am losing a lot of interest in major college sports. I don’t think I’m alone.
I honestly believe college football was great this past year we just struggled and didn’t do well.
Each college has a mission statement regarding its educational goals. It’s the college’s job to fulfill the statement. At the foundation of every college degree is the liberal arts experience. Extra curricular activities contribute to the total educational experience including both intramural and competitive athletics. Too many D1 athletes have no interest in “gaining from the total educational experience” and only want to enhance their athletic performance hoping to sign a lucrative professional contact. This is the way it is. Unfortunately most revenue producing collegiate athletic programs have swayed far from the original educational goals of competitive sports.
Speaking for myself, I am losing a lot of interest in major college sports. I don’t think I’m alone.
If you didnt mind the excess and rampant cheating throughout the 80s and 90s, why would anything bother you now? My lord, kids were "graduating" without being able to read, were being paid under the table everywhere, and taking steriods and other PEDs like candy.
If that was okay, why is today so bad? College athletes are much more educated coming out of school then they ever have been. Many kids are graduating early, and even completing high school in 3 1/2 years. I'd rather have it how it is today than return to a time where no one (except Paterno and a few others) gave a chit about education or kid's health at all.
@roaminglion Oklahoma, SMU, Nebraska and Miami put a black eye on college football back then. I believe Mississippi St got in a little bit of trouble as well but it may have been Ole Miss heck I can’t remember lol
@roaminglion Oklahoma, SMU, Nebraska and Miami put a black eye on college football back then. I believe Mississippi St got in a little bit of trouble as well but it may have been Ole Miss heck I can’t remember lol
Dexter Manley graduated from Oklahoma State and couldnt even read. Dude had dyslexia but no one cared enough to help. Just pushed him through.
@roaminglion https://www.hogshaven.com/platform/amp/2020/6/17/21295184/dexter-manley-says-im-back-and-you-cant-keep-a-good-man-down
He was a bad dude brother and I love the man’s attitude. Can’t keep a good man down lol. He was so fun to watch
