@culture-thrives "Yesterday was the perfect example of why the NFL rules are better"
Of 12 playoff games to go into OT, 8 were decided without the other team even getting a chance to play offense. Only 2 were won by the team that lost the coin toss, yesterday being 1 of those 2. Over half the time, one team never touches the ball.
Sorry, but I don't like a system that has both QBs giving visible reactions to a damn coin toss. One guy celebrated while the other guy looked like he took a gut shot. That should tell you they view it as important, which it should not be. It's an obvious huge advantage to one team, it just so happens that the Bengals were 1 of the 2 teams to ever overcome it in the playoffs.
I don't like limiting the game to half the team possibly not even playing. IMO that's stupid.
@roaminglion Without both teams getting to play offense, you may as well just flip the coin to determine the winner. Hey, then they can even skip the game entirely, just heads or tails, done! Back to the tailgate!!!
Yeah, it's the rules, but I'm not a big fan either.
This is the NFL professional football so the rules need to be tougher kind of like getting both feet down instead of one. The more I think about it knowing how tough the NFL is, just flip the coin and whoever scores first wins that way your defense always stays just as Important as your offense. It’s the NFL guys both teams knows the rules and this is big boy football baby!
Life ain’t always fair, if you want to win go play defense and make a play and get the ball to your offense. Sudden death OT is everything on the line.
@southern-psu-fan haha Yeah, it's the rules and it is, what it is. Seems like a coin flip is a little arbitrary. Maybe they should do rock, paper, scissors for a more sporting chance.
Just sayin', seems like there could/should be a better way.
Life ain’t always fair, if you want to win go play defense and make a play and get the ball to your offense. Sudden death OT is everything on the line.
Let's just give the ball to home team at the beginning of every quarter then... because "life aint fair"
@roaminglion I didn’t mean it like that just saying both teams know what’s on the line going into OT.
@roaminglion I didn’t mean it like that just saying both teams know what’s on the line going into OT.
I know, but just because both teams know a coin flip will be a big factor in the outcome doesnt mean it's a good idea...
At least IMO
Life ain't fair but athletic contests and competitions should be...It's the cornerstone of sports...You compete in what is supposed to be under fair rules to determine who is the best team or player on that particular day...To determine the winner of a competition when only one team has potential to win a ballgame without the other team getting the football is lunacy and turns the whole thing into a farce...I have no idea the reasoning behind this rule but you have to think that after this post season that rule is going to be changed...
I am still trying to figure out what was wrong with the college OT when both teams got the ball on the 25 and went from there. Would love to know how many games went beyond one possession each. Probably more than I think, but I doubt that many went more than two possessions each.
The NFL is brutal enough for 4 quarters if a game goes to overtime they need to end the game as quickly as possible or them guys will kill each other. Just look at the OL and DL that’s retired they can hardly walk as it is. I believe it’s fair because both teams know what’s on the line going into OT. The team that wins the toss does have an advantage but the coin toss is 50/50 which is fair. I’ve heard many NFL players say after a game on Sunday they are sore up to Wednesday.
What about just do FG’s? Start at 45 yards each kicker gets a kick and go up 5 yards till somebody missed. The kickers would definitely want more money lol
I don't follow the NFL much, but I thought their rules are voted on and approved by the owners. Correct me if I'm wrong. If that is the case, these guys that pay the freight must be happy with the current OT rules. I'm sure they have their reasons otherwise you'd think they would move to change the OT format.
The NFL is brutal enough for 4 quarters if a game goes to overtime they need to end the game as quickly as possible or them guys will kill each other. Just look at the OL and DL that’s retired they can hardly walk as it is. I believe it’s fair because both teams know what’s on the line going into OT. The team that wins the toss does have an advantage but the coin toss is 50/50 which is fair. I’ve heard many NFL players say after a game on Sunday they are sore up to Wednesday.
I don't really understand this logic, college OT doesn't go longer than NFL OT. NFL OT can sometimes last almost another quarter where College OT is often over in 10 plays or less.
The difference is both teams get a chance on offense. And no, something isn't "fair" just because both teams know the rules. Simply knowing what a rule is doesn't mean the rule is fair.
@roaminglion Sunday was perfect, the game being decided playing football..But as I said, I have no problem with NFL changing rules to give both teams an opportunity, similarly to what they did with FGS....I have no problem with NFL maintaining status quo either...It puts pressure on both teams, its not easy to drive 75 yds, when D knows it has to get a stop or force a FG....and that's the pressure the D faces
If they do change, and again, I dont think its necessary, I do it for playoffs only.Contrast that with that PSU-Illinois OT, which was most ridiculous thing I ever saw in sports..College Ot particularly was designed with player safety in mind, that hasnt worked out great with 7 OTS or more being played...THus the change to ball on 2 in 3rd OT, which is hideous as described above..
NFL is brutal enough for 4 quarters? You don't think these athletes would want to play another quarter to settle a ballgame fair and square? You think these O and D lineman would be able to walk better if they did away with overtime? How about this scenario...You "kill yourself" for 4 quarters and never get a chance to win the game cause you lost the coin toss? YOUR offensive unit never sees the field to match the opposing teams TD? How in the world you can justify that in any way shape or form just mystifies me...
https://www.footballbabble.com/football/terms/overtime/
from what this article says the team receiving the ball wins 50% of the time in OT. that’s pretty equal to me.
https://www.footballbabble.com/football/terms/overtime/
from what this article says the team receiving the ball wins 50% of the time in OT. that’s pretty equal to me.
Look at the stats for the playoffs, when the best QBs are playing. Not a coincidence that over 50% of the time the other team never even has a chance to play offense.
Also, that article is so old it's not even talking about the current NFL overtime rules. The NFL rules used to be different, and the game used to be different. OT in 1980 meant something different when offenses weren't scoring like they are today. Also, as I said that article is talking about old OT rules.
@roaminglion Sunday was perfect, the game being decided playing football..But as I said, I have no problem with NFL changing rules to give both teams an opportunity, similarly to what they did with FGS....I have no problem with NFL maintaining status quo either...It puts pressure on both teams, its not easy to drive 75 yds, when D knows it has to get a stop or force a FG....and that's the pressure the D faces
If they do change, and again, I dont think its necessary, I do it for playoffs only.Contrast that with that PSU-Illinois OT, which was most ridiculous thing I ever saw in sports..College Ot particularly was designed with player safety in mind, that hasnt worked out great with 7 OTS or more being played...THus the change to ball on 2 in 3rd OT, which is hideous as described above..
I know it's not easy, but more than 50% of OT playoff games have ended without the other team ever getting the ball. So yeah it may not be easy, but over 50%??? Doesnt seem hard either.
Say what you will about College OT... but one thing you can't say is both teams get the same exact chances on the field.
@the-funeral-director you do get a chance FD, you send your defense out to get a stop Cincinnati did it Sunday. I know whoever wins the coin toss has an advantage but the NFL is big boy football if you want to win make a play to get the win.
@roaminglion what are the numbers since they changed the rule? Whatever they do I’m good with it I just believe the coin toss is 50/50 so that sounds fair to me and it puts pressure on the defense which I like.
@roaminglion what are the numbers since they changed the rule? Whatever they do I’m good with it I just believe the coin toss is 50/50 so that sounds fair to me and it puts pressure on the defense which I like.
The numbers were stated in the Bengals/Chiefs game the other day. 12 times in the playoffs, and the coin toss winner has won 10 of them, 8 of them without the other team getting the ball.
Being "big boy" football shouldn't mean you don't care about being fair. It's sports, each team is supposed to get the same opportunity. The whole game up to that point is designed that way.
C'mon my man Southern...You know the NFL is an offensive dominated league...The rules are designed to favor the offense and the NFL wants points scored...You are doing your level best to defend the indefensible...It's absolutely asinine to think that an overtime system where only one team can potentially possess the football and win the ballgame without giving the other teams offensive unit a chance to match them is a fair, equitable or even remotely reasonable way to determine the winner of a football game let alone a playoff football game...I would say give each team the ball on the opponents 40 yard line and alternate possessions until you have a winner...To determine a winner without a team potently never putting their offense on the field turns the whole thing into a sham...You might as well say whoever wins the coin toss wins the ballgame cause that way you eliminate any more wear and tear on the players and who knows you may extend their careers another year or 2 and when their careers are over they may even be able to put their pants on by themselves...
@the-funeral-director I read where 50% of the time both teams get the ball but the team that won the toss won 50% of the time. If that true both teams had their chance. I honestly don’t care what they do I’m a college football guy that just likes the NFL. I love the Falcons but if a Penn St players make a play against the Falcons to win the Falcons take a backseat. In Super Bowls I pull for the team with the most Penn St players.
@the-funeral-director I read where 50% of the time both teams get the ball but the team that won the toss won 50% of the time. If that true both teams had their chance. I honestly don’t care what they do I’m a college football guy that just likes the NFL. I love the Falcons but if a Penn St players make a play against the Falcons to win the Falcons take a backseat. In Super Bowls I pull for the team with the most Penn St players.
"I think it's a little bit more fair for both teams to have a chance with the football, to attack and to respond. We lost because of the flip of a coin. Not having the ability to retaliate, he added, kinda sucks." - Travis Kelce after loss to NE in playoffs back in 2018. After beating the Bills, he still thought the rule is stupid.
That said, here are the actual stats:
Under the current rules (since 2010) there have been 166 regular season OT games, and the record of the team winning the coin toss is 89-67-10.
In the playoffs, it's even more lopsided... The team winning the coin toss are 11-2, 8 of those games the other team didn't even get the ball.
Those are the stats under current rules. Since 2010. That is fact. Sorry, but it's not "50-50"
