This may not be totally football related and if anyone feels it shouldn't be posted here, I apologize, but here goes. Here is a link to a great article on Bobby Knight's return to a recent basketball game at Indiana - https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/doyel-bob-knight-returns-to-assembly-hall-to-tears-cheers-as-years-of-anger-fade-away/ar-BBZNdGk?li=BBnba9I&OCID=HPDHP .
It's a shame since JoePa is gone we'll never get to experience anything like this. Congratulations to the "General" and may "Mr. 409" RIP!
He was a man behind his time. I saw a replay of his return, sad he wasn't able to do it sooner. He didn't look in good shape.
Knight was an arrogant selfish person. He treated players poorly and everyone else around him. It was justified firing him. Regardless, nice to see that he returned to campus.
maybe you’re just to soft snake lol.
the world can be a tough place sometimes and guys like Bobby Knight prepares you g men for what’s coming because things ain’t always going to be fair and good, just saying
Amen, Southern. If you look back, most of the great ones (JoePa, the Bear, Lombardi, Knight, etc.) were tough coaches to play for, but they were fair. Call it "tough love" if you will. I think the way their former players praise them speaks to this fact.
maybe you’re just to soft snake lol.
the world can be a tough place sometimes and guys like Bobby Knight prepares you g men for what’s coming because things ain’t always going to be fair and good, just saying
Maybe Knight was too soft if he can't handle one kid calling him by his last name instead of coach. IMO you're a snowflake if that makes you physically assault someone. Knight had such thin skin, he'd go off at the slightest poke at his ego. Definitely a do what I say, but not as I do guy... He demanded respect from everyone around him, yet hardly ever returned it.
IMO this guy is not Paterno. JoePa would never verbally or physically assault anyone for the things Knight did. JoePa also gave the courtesy of respect back to those he engaged with, and didn't have a fragile ego that needed to be constantly stroked.
maybe you’re just to soft snake lol.
the world can be a tough place sometimes and guys like Bobby Knight prepares you g men for what’s coming because things ain’t always going to be fair and good, just saying
Maybe Knight was too soft if he can't handle one kid calling him by his last name instead of coach. IMO you're a snowflake if that makes you physically assault someone. Knight had such thin skin, he'd go off at the slightest poke at his ego. Definitely a do what I say, but not as I do guy... He demanded respect from everyone around him, yet hardly ever returned it.
IMO this guy is not Paterno. JoePa would never verbally or physically assault anyone for the things Knight did. JoePa also gave the courtesy of respect back to those he engaged with, and didn't have a fragile ego that needed to be constantly stroked.
You're absolutely right about Joe, Roam. I didn't mean to say Knight was as classy by any stretch, lol. I was referring to Bobby being tough with his players which he was. He even went after his own son! I guess the incident with this kid can be chalked up to Bobby being old school and the kid being new school. I'm not defending him or saying he is right and the kid is wrong. It's just the way it is. I still think he was one heluva coach.
2 different styles of coaching but IMO both work. I personally like joes better but Bobby Knights coaching style worked pretty dang good. That’s what makes this country great all the different ways of gettin something done rather it’s coaching, inventions or even politics. Y’all remember joe making the football players clean the bleachers lol. Has anybody got the guts to do that today lol
2 different styles of coaching but IMO both work. I personally like joes better but Bobby Knights coaching style worked pretty dang good. That’s what makes this country great all the different ways of gettin something done rather it’s coaching, inventions or even politics. Y’all remember joe making the football players clean the bleachers lol. Has anybody got the guts to do that today lol
No! They'd all run for the transfer portal, lol.
I once thought PSU was crazy for not hiring Knight when he was fired at Indiana. Then I saw the ESPN 30 for 30 movie and changed my mind. I agree with Roam. Knight was an arrogant bully and a coward. He treated his players like dogs. When someone at the school finally had the backbone to try and stop it, they were ridiculed and attacked from everyone, including, apparently, some high ranking state officials in the state of Indiana. Pretty sad in my opinion that we as a society react like that.
For me, as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to the realization that we shouldn’t hold anyone up on a pedestal for athletics. They are all human beings. They make mistakes and some have many faults just like everyone else. No athlete or coach should be thought to walk on water. None of them. Not even Joe.
The coaches who are currently thought of as the top coaches like Belicheck and Saban somehow get a free pass when they talk down to people, like the press. I don’t understand that at all. Respect works both ways. Just because you make millions coaching a kid’s game doesn’t make you more important than anyone else. You aren’t curing cancer, fighting fires, taking care of special needs kids, or building bridges or highways that will keep millions of people safe. Get over yourself. We, as a society, have supported this for way too long. These guys aren’t more important than anyone else.
Knight was a good basketball coach. But his character was questionable at best. Indiana did the right thing by firing him.
I know what you're saying 99, but please try to understand what I'm trying to say. Sports is a diversion. It's a way to temporarily escape the greater concerns of society that you speak of. In that context, there are certain coaches that are or were very good at what they do. I was just offering my opinion on several that I feel were at the top of there profession. I don't mean to imply that they walk on water or that their contributions are more important, or even comparable, to that of those who are addressing society's ills. I agree that some of these coaches are arrogant and have their flaws, but nobody is perfect.
guys like joe, Saban and Belichick could care less what the media thinks because they know the media is a bunch of scumbags. These 3 coaches do and did do a lot for different charities behind close doors that they didn’t care to get a pad on the back for. Including Bobby knight these coaches players say different things about how good they are than the hypocrites in the media. The media and ESPN shows you things on the way they want you to see it not the way it really is. I do agree with 99 only JESUS needs to be on a pedestal but that doesn’t mean we can’t have guys and women we look up to. Y’all know how much I love penn st and joe but it doesn’t compare to how much I love JESUS and my family
I watched a special on Jim Brown and I heard him say Bill Belichick went into some black ghettos with him to give a helping hand that micheal Jordon would never go. When I heard jim Brown talk about how much Belichick did for people I became a Bill Belichick fan. I’m not saying Jordan don’t do a lot for people I’m just telling you what Jim brown said and he said jordon would’ve go to these places with him.
I once thought PSU was crazy for not hiring Knight when he was fired at Indiana. Then I saw the ESPN 30 for 30 movie and changed my mind. I agree with Roam. Knight was an arrogant bully and a coward. He treated his players like dogs. When someone at the school finally had the backbone to try and stop it, they were ridiculed and attacked from everyone, including, apparently, some high ranking state officials in the state of Indiana. Pretty sad in my opinion that we as a society react like that.
For me, as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to the realization that we shouldn’t hold anyone up on a pedestal for athletics. They are all human beings. They make mistakes and some have many faults just like everyone else. No athlete or coach should be thought to walk on water. None of them. Not even Joe.
The coaches who are currently thought of as the top coaches like Belicheck and Saban somehow get a free pass when they talk down to people, like the press. I don’t understand that at all. Respect works both ways. Just because you make millions coaching a kid’s game doesn’t make you more important than anyone else. You aren’t curing cancer, fighting fires, taking care of special needs kids, or building bridges or highways that will keep millions of people safe. Get over yourself. We, as a society, have supported this for way too long. These guys aren’t more important than anyone else.
Knight was a good basketball coach. But his character was questionable at best. Indiana did the right thing by firing him.
Why hold anyone up above anyone else... All the professions you mentioned are filled with personalities like Bobby Knight.
I once thought PSU was crazy for not hiring Knight when he was fired at Indiana. Then I saw the ESPN 30 for 30 movie and changed my mind. I agree with Roam. Knight was an arrogant bully and a coward. He treated his players like dogs. When someone at the school finally had the backbone to try and stop it, they were ridiculed and attacked from everyone, including, apparently, some high ranking state officials in the state of Indiana. Pretty sad in my opinion that we as a society react like that.
For me, as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to the realization that we shouldn’t hold anyone up on a pedestal for athletics. They are all human beings. They make mistakes and some have many faults just like everyone else. No athlete or coach should be thought to walk on water. None of them. Not even Joe.
The coaches who are currently thought of as the top coaches like Belicheck and Saban somehow get a free pass when they talk down to people, like the press. I don’t understand that at all. Respect works both ways. Just because you make millions coaching a kid’s game doesn’t make you more important than anyone else. You aren’t curing cancer, fighting fires, taking care of special needs kids, or building bridges or highways that will keep millions of people safe. Get over yourself. We, as a society, have supported this for way too long. These guys aren’t more important than anyone else.
Knight was a good basketball coach. But his character was questionable at best. Indiana did the right thing by firing him.Why hold anyone up above anyone else... All the professions you mentioned are filled with personalities like Bobby Knight.
Yeah, you are probably right. But those professions contribute to society, not how to throw and catch a ball. Our priorities are skewed in society.
guys like joe, Saban and Belichick could care less what the media thinks because they know the media is a bunch of scumbags. These 3 coaches do and did do a lot for different charities behind close doors that they didn’t care to get a pad on the back for. Including Bobby knight these coaches players say different things about how good they are than the hypocrites in the media. The media and ESPN shows you things on the way they want you to see it not the way it really is. I do agree with 99 only JESUS needs to be on a pedestal but that doesn’t mean we can’t have guys and women we look up to. Y’all know how much I love penn st and joe but it doesn’t compare to how much I love JESUS and my family
It’s not about caring what the media thinks. It’s about treating people with respect as human beings. I would guess JESUS would want us to treat people with respect. If someone can’t do that, then I have no time for them. Just my opinion.
I know what you're saying 99, but please try to understand what I'm trying to say. Sports is a diversion. It's a way to temporarily escape the greater concerns of society that you speak of. In that context, there are certain coaches that are or were very good at what they do. I was just offering my opinion on several that I feel were at the top of there profession. I don't mean to imply that they walk on water or that their contributions are more important, or even comparable, to that of those who are addressing society's ills. I agree that some of these coaches are arrogant and have their flaws, but nobody is perfect.
I get it Bob. I wasn’t trying to specifically argue with you. Just sharing that my opinion of Knight changed when I found out how he treated people behind the scenes. I agree with Sky and roam here. Knight is a poor example of a role model.
I once thought PSU was crazy for not hiring Knight when he was fired at Indiana. Then I saw the ESPN 30 for 30 movie and changed my mind. I agree with Roam. Knight was an arrogant bully and a coward. He treated his players like dogs. When someone at the school finally had the backbone to try and stop it, they were ridiculed and attacked from everyone, including, apparently, some high ranking state officials in the state of Indiana. Pretty sad in my opinion that we as a society react like that.
For me, as I’ve gotten older, I’ve come to the realization that we shouldn’t hold anyone up on a pedestal for athletics. They are all human beings. They make mistakes and some have many faults just like everyone else. No athlete or coach should be thought to walk on water. None of them. Not even Joe.
The coaches who are currently thought of as the top coaches like Belicheck and Saban somehow get a free pass when they talk down to people, like the press. I don’t understand that at all. Respect works both ways. Just because you make millions coaching a kid’s game doesn’t make you more important than anyone else. You aren’t curing cancer, fighting fires, taking care of special needs kids, or building bridges or highways that will keep millions of people safe. Get over yourself. We, as a society, have supported this for way too long. These guys aren’t more important than anyone else.
Knight was a good basketball coach. But his character was questionable at best. Indiana did the right thing by firing him.
Perfectly said...
Yeah, you are probably right. But those professions contribute to society, not how to throw and catch a ball. Our priorities are skewed in society.
Doesn't matter what you contribute to society. Being an ass is still being an ass.
I think the kids at the cancer hospital that overlooks the Iowa football field feel that guys catching and throwing make a difference in their life.
I know what you're saying 99, but please try to understand what I'm trying to say. Sports is a diversion. It's a way to temporarily escape the greater concerns of society that you speak of. In that context, there are certain coaches that are or were very good at what they do. I was just offering my opinion on several that I feel were at the top of there profession. I don't mean to imply that they walk on water or that their contributions are more important, or even comparable, to that of those who are addressing society's ills. I agree that some of these coaches are arrogant and have their flaws, but nobody is perfect.
I get it Bob. I wasn’t trying to specifically argue with you. Just sharing that my opinion of Knight changed when I found out how he treated people behind the scenes. I agree with Sky and roam here. Knight is a poor example of a role model.
I know what you're saying and respect your opinion. I'd just add as clarification, I never said he was a role model, just one heckofa coach, lol
