Wish them well.
Also not a surprise. Wade was someone they needed to land for the name and status. I personally never understood the ranking. Too small. Polk is another who showed flashes but never developed into the special player he could be. McPhearson just wants to go somewhere he can actually play
Wade only has 2 years under his belt, right? So he would def. need to sit out a year unless who goes to a small school.
You're full of bologna
While losing any player sucks, these three losses are nothing more than depth. None of them are players that were going to have any meaningful playing time next year.
The biggest name is Wade, and with Brisker coming in as well as some other safeties there was no way he was ever going to be a starter at Penn State.
Of every player that left or is transferring, the only two that I feel wouldn't have had their playing time reduced next year are Bates and McGovern. Every other younger player that left (evrn Sanders) was probably going to have a younger player take some PT away, or beat them out right for the job.
I personally find this bit of an exodus to be concerning. Yeah, maybe none of these guys were going to be starters but they did add quality depth to the roster. Depth is something you need if you want to compete for a BIG championship.
You can say what you want about this happens everywhere and that may very well be true but Franklin was supposed to be recruiting a different type of player. The word "Family" is thrown around a lot by the coaches, players, and recruits. I was kind of hoping this sort of thing would not hit us as hard as others because of the type of player Franklin was recruiting.
I think most of us thought that 2019 was a year that Penn State should be playing for BIG championship or bust but that may be slipping away. They may be a few more transfers away from playing the 2019s season under the scholarship limit and I find that unacceptable. I personally don't want this coaching staff to have any more excuses. Next year they need to start winning some big games more consistently.
I guess as a fan I am most disappointed because the season ended on such a sour note and we have not had much good news since. My "what have you done for me lately" side is starting to win the battle in my head for my fandom and I need some good news to lift my spirits.
I personally find this bit of an exodus to be concerning. Yeah, maybe none of these guys were going to be starters but they did add quality depth to the roster. Depth is something you need if you want to compete for a BIG championship.
You can say what you want about this happens everywhere and that may very well be true but Franklin was supposed to be recruiting a different type of player. The word "Family" is thrown around a lot by the coaches, players, and recruits. I was kind of hoping this sort of thing would not hit us as hard as others because of the type of player Franklin was recruiting.
I think most of us thought that 2019 was a year that Penn State should be playing for BIG championship or bust but that may be slipping away. They may be a few more transfers away from playing the 2019s season under the scholarship limit and I find that unacceptable. I personally don't want this coaching staff to have any more excuses. Next year they need to start winning some big games more consistently.
I guess as a fan I am most disappointed because the season ended on such a sour note and we have not had much good news since. My "what have you done for me lately" side is starting to win the battle in my head for my fandom and I need some good news to lift my spirits.
This does happen when you pull in big time recruits. Alabama routinely loses 8-10 players every year, and after all is said and done a little over half their recruiting class is still on the roster after 4 years due to transfers. I believe Clemson had a bunch of transfers before this year too, and at the end of the year both their backup and 3rd string QB were gone.
Better get used to it, when kids come in being told by recruiting sites they are the best out there... They don't want to sit. They want to play, and if they are beat out by someone better some of them don't want to watch their NFL dream disappear because they sat behind someone rather than going somewhere they could play.
You can preach family until your blue in the face, but honestly sometimes the best thing for a family member is to leave and carve their own path somewhere else. Sometimes a player just doesn't fit. Sometimes they have family issues. Sometimes you just recruited so many big time recruits that not all of them will really get a shot. It happens.
Also, we have to remember that this is the new normal going forward. It's going to be a growing issue with the new transfer rules and waivers being handed out like candy.
That combined with the 4 game red-shirt rule and I believe you're going to see more and more transfers in college football over the next few years. Wouldn't be surprised if one of the 2 QB's coming in this year transfers after 1-2 years once he sees he's going to be behind Clifford and the other guy.
I agree Roam except with Miles Sanders. I believe we would be much better with Miles Sanders at RB unless Slade gets that much better over the summer. I’m pretty big on Boobie but I will be pulling for whoever the RB is and I’ll be his biggest cheerleader brother!
Much better at the RB position ^^^^
It's possible, but IMO the trio of Ford, Cain, and Slade are gonna press for PT. And don't forget Brown.
If it makes you feel better to rationalize these defections be my guest. If Alabama and Clemson are suffering the same number of defections, who cares? They are playing in the CFP, PS isn't! If this continues it will be impossible to provide any continuity to the program. No continuity = no championships! If a number of PS players are no longer buying into the school or Franklin's program, something is amiss. Sure would be interesting if Wimbush transfers to PS and what would happen with Stevens and Clifford.
If it makes you feel better to rationalize these defections be my guest. If Alabama and Clemson are suffering the same number of defections, who cares? They are playing in the CFP, PS isn't! If this continues it will be impossible to provide any continuity to the program. No continuity = no championships! If a number of PS players are no longer buying into the school or Franklin's program, something is amiss. Sure would be interesting if Wimbush transfers to PS and what would happen with Stevens and Clifford.
Honestly that makes zero sense. Teams playing for championships experience these things, but since they play in championships it's fine but because we don't it isn't?.
It is a symptom of recruiting top players. I used Clemson and Alabama as examples because the are at the top of football. But it happens at Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. etc. etc. Every team btinging in top ten classes has more transfers than those that don't. Simple fact of life when you have good talent that will just never see the field.
I'll say the same to you: You can rationalize all you want as to why they are a huge issue to us, but seeming happen at all top programs routinely, if you want... Not sure why it woukd be such a problem with us and Franklin, but everywhere else it is a non issue.
Look at who is transferring... A bunch of backups and a receiver who dropped a ton of passes and had 350 total yards. I mean, I get depth but people seem to be freaking out like the players leaving were all stars. All but 1 was ever going to see a meaningful snap.
If it makes you feel better to rationalize these defections be my guest. If Alabama and Clemson are suffering the same number of defections, who cares? They are playing in the CFP, PS isn't! If this continues it will be impossible to provide any continuity to the program. No continuity = no championships! If a number of PS players are no longer buying into the school or Franklin's program, something is amiss. Sure would be interesting if Wimbush transfers to PS and what would happen with Stevens and Clifford.
Honestly that makes zero sense. Teams playing for championships experience these things, but since they play in championships it's fine but because we don't it isn't?.
It is a symptom of recruiting top players. I used Clemson and Alabama as examples because the are at the top of football. But it happens at Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. etc. etc. Every team btinging in top ten classes has more transfers than those that don't. Simple fact of life when you have good talent that will just never see the field.
I'll say the same to you: You can rationalize all you want as to why they are a huge issue to us, but seeming happen at all top programs routinely, if you want... Not sure why it woukd be such a problem with us and Franklin, but everywhere else it is a non issue.
Look at who is transferring... A bunch of backups and a receiver who dropped a ton of passes and had 350 total yards. I mean, I get depth but people seem to be freaking out like the players leaving were all stars. All but 1 was ever going to see a meaningful snap.
"Honestly," we know that you are going to defend Franklin regardless! If you can't see the difference between teams like Alabama and Clemson losing players and still are able vie for championships I can't help you. You always pointed to the 2019 season for PS and Franklin to make their mark. Considering these defections, do you really believe that PS will be a stronger team next season?
I will be the first to admit I do not know how grayshirting works but it seems it is a way of circumventing the 25 scholarship limit imposed by the NCAA. I do recall reading that Alabama has mastered the art of it. Perhaps that is why they are better equipped to handle the transfers than say a Penn State would? One guy leaves and you have a suitable replacement ready to offer a scholarship. I don't want to see Penn State having to do that to keep up with the Sabans of the world.
I do not know. Just opening it up for further conversation.
If it makes you feel better to rationalize these defections be my guest. If Alabama and Clemson are suffering the same number of defections, who cares? They are playing in the CFP, PS isn't! If this continues it will be impossible to provide any continuity to the program. No continuity = no championships! If a number of PS players are no longer buying into the school or Franklin's program, something is amiss. Sure would be interesting if Wimbush transfers to PS and what would happen with Stevens and Clifford.
Honestly that makes zero sense. Teams playing for championships experience these things, but since they play in championships it's fine but because we don't it isn't?.
It is a symptom of recruiting top players. I used Clemson and Alabama as examples because the are at the top of football. But it happens at Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. etc. etc. Every team btinging in top ten classes has more transfers than those that don't. Simple fact of life when you have good talent that will just never see the field.
I'll say the same to you: You can rationalize all you want as to why they are a huge issue to us, but seeming happen at all top programs routinely, if you want... Not sure why it woukd be such a problem with us and Franklin, but everywhere else it is a non issue.
Look at who is transferring... A bunch of backups and a receiver who dropped a ton of passes and had 350 total yards. I mean, I get depth but people seem to be freaking out like the players leaving were all stars. All but 1 was ever going to see a meaningful snap.
"Honestly," we know that you are going to defend Franklin regardless! If you can't see the difference between teams like Alabama and Clemson losing players and still are able vie for championships I can't help you. You always pointed to the 2019 season for PS and Franklin to make their mark. Considering these defections, do you really believe that PS will be a stronger team next season?
I guess you just blew right by the other teams I mentioned and chose to focus solely on Alabama and Clemson. I mean, not sure how saying that other teams who recruit in the top 10-15 have the same issues is "defending Franklin", it's stating a fact.
Georgia has lost many recruits. 3 top 5 QB's have left in 2 years and many other players. Auburn. Washington. Oklahoma. Texas even, and they've steadily gotten better under their new coach despite those transfers. I'm sorry if you think pointing out that it happens at all these other teams is "defending our coach", but I kinda view it as you know, accepting the same reality other teams that recruit well have.
It’s normal. And guys are correct. The players leaving never really contributed and can see the writing on the wall. They’ll end up at smaller FCs schools. Wade isn’t an FBS safety. JJ failed more than succeeded. McPhearson same. We aren’t losing top players. We’re losing 8-9 guys on a full team. Loaded with young talent. I said back when Brisker committed that Wade would never play. When he does play he makes too many mistakes. He knows. He’s also still a bit of a selfish person. Two linemen have a shot at the nfl as well as Miles. Those are the only legit losses psu is facing.
I will be the first to admit I do not know how grayshirting works but it seems it is a way of circumventing the 25 scholarship limit imposed by the NCAA. I do recall reading that Alabama has mastered the art of it. Perhaps that is why they are better equipped to handle the transfers than say a Penn State would? One guy leaves and you have a suitable replacement ready to offer a scholarship. I don't want to see Penn State having to do that to keep up with the Sabans of the world.
I do not know. Just opening it up for further conversation.
Texas is a good example Cave...
2 years ago they saw more than 6 kids transfer off the team. Just before this season started, they saw 4 kids transfer off the team. Already 3-4 kids from Texas have entered into the transfer portal, including two highly recruited QBs.
Texas has recruited well, and Herman has the team playing better every year. Yet, kids are transferring out of there for the past three seasons at a rate of 4-5 per year. At the same time, Texas has gotten better under Herman every year.
This is why I'm not reading much into it, it happens is all I am saying. Heck, I'd love every 4* athlete riding the bench to stay here too for the depth! It would help a lot with stability, but I just look around at other teams and see them dealing with the same stuff. That's my opinion anyway... Maybe it's because I'm used to it since I follow Alabama as you all know... so I've seen this dance so many times before.
As for defending Franklin, I don't see it that way. I just don't think most transfers have anything to do with the head coach at all. A kid can like a coach like a brother, but if he's gonna ride the bench and doesn't want to... he's gonna transfer regardless. Different day, different age. Many kids just aren't going to wait around until senior year to see if they get a chance to start. NCAA also has made it easier than ever to do it.
Wade is very close with smith and franklin. Heck wade and smith have known each other since he was a little kid. This is going to be the norm for the reason Roam provided. It’s easy to transfer now. What psu fans aren’t used to is losing 4 star rated players. Problem is most of the roster players ARE 4 star players.
If it makes you feel better to rationalize these defections be my guest. If Alabama and Clemson are suffering the same number of defections, who cares? They are playing in the CFP, PS isn't! If this continues it will be impossible to provide any continuity to the program. No continuity = no championships! If a number of PS players are no longer buying into the school or Franklin's program, something is amiss. Sure would be interesting if Wimbush transfers to PS and what would happen with Stevens and Clifford.
Honestly that makes zero sense. Teams playing for championships experience these things, but since they play in championships it's fine but because we don't it isn't?.
It is a symptom of recruiting top players. I used Clemson and Alabama as examples because the are at the top of football. But it happens at Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. etc. etc. Every team btinging in top ten classes has more transfers than those that don't. Simple fact of life when you have good talent that will just never see the field.
I'll say the same to you: You can rationalize all you want as to why they are a huge issue to us, but seeming happen at all top programs routinely, if you want... Not sure why it woukd be such a problem with us and Franklin, but everywhere else it is a non issue.
Look at who is transferring... A bunch of backups and a receiver who dropped a ton of passes and had 350 total yards. I mean, I get depth but people seem to be freaking out like the players leaving were all stars. All but 1 was ever going to see a meaningful snap.
"Honestly," we know that you are going to defend Franklin regardless! If you can't see the difference between teams like Alabama and Clemson losing players and still are able vie for championships I can't help you. You always pointed to the 2019 season for PS and Franklin to make their mark. Considering these defections, do you really believe that PS will be a stronger team next season?
I guess you just blew right by the other teams I mentioned and chose to focus solely on Alabama and Clemson. I mean, not sure how saying that other teams who recruit in the top 10-15 have the same issues is "defending Franklin", it's stating a fact.
Georgia has lost many recruits. 3 top 5 QB's have left in 2 years and many other players. Auburn. Washington. Oklahoma. Texas even, and they've steadily gotten better under their new coach despite those transfers. I'm sorry if you think pointing out that it happens at all these other teams is "defending our coach", but I kinda view it as you know, accepting the same reality other teams that recruit well have.
Ok, just what other teams did you mention? I only saw Alabama and Clemson.
"This does happen when you pull in big time recruits. Alabama routinely loses 8-10 players every year, and after all is said and done a little over half their recruiting class is still on the roster after 4 years due to transfers. I believe Clemson had a bunch of transfers before this year too, and at the end of the year both their backup and 3rd string QB were gone."
"I used Clemson and Alabama as examples because the are at the top of football. But it happens at Michigan, Ohio State, Oklahoma, etc. etc. etc."
You responded by saying "If you can't see the difference between teams like Alabama and Clemson losing players and still are able vie for championships I can't help you."
I then responded about the other teams... As you can see, I named three other teams as well as "etc" insinuating more of the teams that recruit well. You must have just missed it, it happens no big deal.
I saw JF at the PSU/Wisconsin wrestling match. He didn’t look worried.
Dalton may also be looking at transferring. Would make sense for PSU and Dalton.
Dalton may also be looking at transferring. Would make sense for PSU and Dalton.
Yep! If you're not starting, might as well look to transfer!
Dalton may also be looking at transferring. Would make sense for PSU and Dalton.
Yep! If you're not starting, might as well look to transfer!
If you were a 4* or 5* athlete and were going to sit for your entire career unless an injury happened, you saying you wouldn't consider going somewhere you could play?
