It's his 5th year coaching Murray. Regardless how.much you spin it, this is his 5th year at psu. Smh
Limegrover is very good
All the drops have hurt his confidence IMO plus he’s playing beat up
now your just fishing for more to argue about. Christ that’s obnoxious. The overwhelming majority of college players are three star players. But they have to be coached up to make it to the nfl which is now the arguement you’ve turned this too: that Franklin didn’t really do anything special to help theses players get there.
It may be his 5th year snike1 but he took over a JV team in talent. His first 2 recruiting classes were not as good as the last 2. As you know you’ll have a year when you lose some studs like we did last year it takes time to rebuild if you’re not reloading like Alabama. Y’all lost 5 games last year because Michigan was rebuilding and trying to find a QB, it happens unless you’re Alabama lol and maybe Ohio State. Them 2 teams are stacked brother
Whether he lost confidence in his receivers or he's playing hurt. He shouldn't be playing unless he's at 100%. Franklin is not doing McSorely or the team any favors if those are his problems.
Who do you think had more impact on the players move to the NFL? Franklin or their position coach?
both. If you people dont think franklin knows how to coach positions it confirms you're not around coaches much. ANY good head coach knows positions and techniques on their whole team. thats how they GET to be a head coach. Yes their position coach has a lot to do with it, but you damn well better bet the head coach has a lot of influence also. again, you're arguing semantics...the main picture is that this is a YOUNG team....VERY YOUNG. You can't lay the blame on the coaches. It happens from time to time with EVERY team, except Alabama right now. This is a rebuilding year......are you people REALLY that dense? You've had 2 title runs when you shouldn't have...
oh look, the prodigal moron showed up. If you read through, you'd see I pointed that out in a way. I also said you can't count the first two. Well, you would cause you don't know a football from a hole in the ground. 2019 has always been the year people were looking to as Franklins true first year. What he inherited is in now way, shape or form anything similar to what any other coach who moves inherits...except for maybe Matt Rhule at Baylor. But even that isn't close. Now go back an play with your toys.
Michigan had a few problems last year we have a few problems this year. Drops fumbles and penalties. I say fix these problems not fire coaches. If the players weren’t in position to make plays then I’d get it but our players have been in position to make a play to win the game and we just didn’t get it done. Michigan was just waiting on us Saturday because of what we did to them last year, these kinds of games happen to all good teams.i would make much of that game.
We''ll see how the rest of the season plays out and what next season brings. Also, what new assistants that he'll have on staff because some of the current coaches didn't produce as expected. And of course your usual response will be "this is a rebuilding year, wait till next year!" And you and some of the others can throw the players under the bus but I find it too much of a coincidence that regression of many of the players are timed with the departure Huff, Gattis, and Moorhead. But you're just too stubborn and nearsighted to recognize it.
No, my point always has been that you are reaching with your insinuations that many of the players that went to the NFL were scraps. It is nonsense.
You were trying to make it out like Franklin picked up players no one else wanted and turned them into NFL players. It is a ridiculous argument. "Scraps" "From nowhere". Please.
As I said, Franklin has done plenty to be proud of without inventing a storylines like Mahon and Gesicki being plucked from obscurity and made whole.
there it is again..."regression"......to old and stubborn to say "rebuilding".....and I've NEVER thrown players under the bus. If they don't perform, I call them out! If coaches under perform, I call them out. Every coach makes mistakes. Franklin gets magnified because he coaches your team. I see it in the pros, I've seen Urban Meyer, Saban and many others make mistakes on more than one occasion. It's your right to criticize, but not when you think a team three years from crippling sanctions should win a national title. That's just ludicrous.
To your point Bill, out here on the west coast USC still complains that they aren't back from sanctions and theirs were no where near ours.
that was NEVER my point! My point to start was "look what he did with the scraps he had AND he's putting guys in the NFL. If the coaching was so bad, most of those guys don't get to the NFL. Matter of fact there are MANY 4 and 5 star players every year that don't get to the NFL. My point was simply that you can't argue he isn't developing players. That's been repeated many times by more important people than me.
I never said Mahon and Gesicki were obscure....they were a PART of the list of nfl players, many of which were raw and were developed. Many of those guys had offers to much smaller schools like Connecticut, BC, Vandy....Then you can look at guys like Nassib and Jan Johnson who is having a hell of a year.
"but not when you think a team three years from crippling sanctions should win a national title. "
Please point out where I ever posted that or even intimated I thought that PS should have won a National title by now. As your usual M.O. you like to put to put words in folk's mouths that they never said just to try to prove a point that you can't make otherwise.
Well I certainly agree there. As I said there are a lot of things you can point to as positives for Franklin.
Bill, I really would like to hear your take on this question I ask. I have been suspicious of Limegrover being a good coach in a traditional style offense, but when the RPO was put on his plate, that it might be something he is not comfortable with - am I on to anything here??? Wasn't he hired prior to Moorhead and the new system that was put in place? Seems to me that O-line coaching for a RPO style offense is very different from a traditional offense.
The blocking schemes in an RPO style offense are simple in comparison to what Limegrover came from at Minnesota. Pass protection is pretty much man-on-man for our pass plays, while running plays are pretty straight forward.
No big wrinkles in the offense where blocking is concerned. In essence, more simple to teach. However, with the complexities of blocking in a pro style offense comes a more dynamic running game... if your line is good enough.
Think about it... RPO is basically the same thing over and over, hand the ball off if it's there and don't if it's not. Blocking doesn't really change much. Of course, that's a bit of generalization (simplistic view)... but realitive to a pro style offense the blocking schemes and not nearly as complex.
JVP was 8-1 his last year. Not bad.
to expand on Roams point, RPO is run or pass...99% of the pass options are short passes, or basically runs so the line has the same duties as a run. If the play is to the right, they block to the right. And they block as if it's a run play. When a pass play is called, they pass protect..which they ve done well this year. Very well. They aren't always in RPO. Some might not think so, but the line IS much better than last year. The run game is stalled because the pass game has fallen apart AND because some decisions at the line arent going where they should.
Agree with you completely Bill... The line is playing better this year which is frustrating because we haven't taken advantage of it.
Working off your point, in RPO to a certain extent the run game is set up by the pass game. In a standard offense it's usually the other way around. However, as Bill said our pass game has fallen apart which is allowing defenses to creep up and stack. Michigan basically dared us to pass all game playing straight up man-on-man press coverage.
Dang right navyjag headed for another big 10 championship
You can’t take advantage of anything when you drop the ball and put it on the ground and kill momentum with penalties. These are the main things we need to work on. Fix these 3 problems and we’ll win a lot of football games.
10 years from now you'll be using the same old tired excuses...."You can't count the 1st 2 years, sanctions, injuries, bad calls,......"??? ROTFLMFAO
Franklin is a decent coach, I won't dispute that, but you really need to stop embarrassing yourself.
