Glad we played Mich last week.
We’re better than Michigan they don’t match up good against us. We just got tired is the only reason they made a game of it. The more Cain plays the more consistent our offense will be and that will make the defense more dangerous.
We’re better than Michigan they don’t match up good against us. We just got tired is the only reason they made a game of it. The more Cain plays the more consistent our offense will be and that will make the defense more dangerous.
I would have PSU at 5, they are not top 4 yet...
The better the OL blocks the more consistent the run game will be. Run blocking last night was not good regardless of the RB that was in there.
The OL does need to get better and we need to get better on discipline because we had over a 100 yards in penalties. I might be wrong but I just don’t see how you Can constantly run the ball playing 4 RB’s? 8-0 baby I’ll take it
The OL does need to get better and we need to get better on discipline because we had over a 100 yards in penalties. I might be wrong but I just don’t see how you Can constantly run the ball playing 4 RB’s? 8-0 baby I’ll take it
I'm not saying you can but if you are looking to keep a defense honest you probably can.
The consistency issues stem from inconsistency at the LOS and the RB lined up does not matter. PSUs OL could not keep the DL from penetrating our backfield.
The OL does need to get better and we need to get better on discipline because we had over a 100 yards in penalties. I might be wrong but I just don’t see how you Can constantly run the ball playing 4 RB’s? 8-0 baby I’ll take it
I'm not saying you can but if you are looking to keep a defense honest you probably can.
The consistency issues stem from inconsistency at the LOS and the RB lined up does not matter. PSUs OL could not keep the DL from penetrating our backfield.
I disagree about the running backs, specifically one running back: Ricky Slade.
The protection is piss-poor when he is in the game, and I've watched the games over again and every single time he's in he misses a block on pass protection. That kills drives, and when he's in the game our drives always stall.
I I'm kind of off the running back rotation thing now, and focusing specifically on Slade. It also looks like the defenses cheat a bit when he's in the game, almost like they're not really very scared of him running between the tackles.
I'm with you on the RB issue Roam. Slade is the weak link for the reasons you stated. I'd rank the others in order: Cain, Brown and Ford. Also. I don't think the OL is as bad as some people say. IMO they've improved significantly over last year. Sure there's room for improvement, there always is in all facets of the game. They've gone up against some pretty good defenses the last few weeks and held up fairly well.
The OL does need to get better and we need to get better on discipline because we had over a 100 yards in penalties. I might be wrong but I just don’t see how you Can constantly run the ball playing 4 RB’s? 8-0 baby I’ll take it
I'm not saying you can but if you are looking to keep a defense honest you probably can.
The consistency issues stem from inconsistency at the LOS and the RB lined up does not matter. PSUs OL could not keep the DL from penetrating our backfield.
I disagree about the running backs, specifically one running back: Ricky Slade.
The protection is piss-poor when he is in the game, and I've watched the games over again and every single time he's in he misses a block on pass protection. That kills drives, and when he's in the game our drives always stall.
I I'm kind of off the running back rotation thing now, and focusing specifically on Slade. It also looks like the defenses cheat a bit when he's in the game, almost like they're not really very scared of him running between the tackles.
I agree Slade is the least talented of our RBs and yes his pass protection is bad that aside if this team is going to be a force with the running game the OL cannot play like they did yesterday... I think Cain Brown and Ford are all interchangeable and all pass block well.
This team needs the OL to play on the defensive side of the ball.
This is how I see each running back:
Cain: Bowling ball that always falls forward, he can drag guys and very rarely gets negative plays. The old saying goes: if you need 3 yards he will get you 5, and if you need 8 yards he will get you 5. LOL
Brown: Not great between the tackles, but not bad. Will sometimes get negative plays due to dancing around, but has the speed to really rip off some big runs.
Ford: Young, maybe a year away from being a truly dangerous back. Seems like a mix between Cain and Brown. Probably not as downhill a runner as Cain, probably not as fast as Brown... but the combination of both makes for a very good back. Would have liked to see him red shirt, though now that I know Cain has been a little bit injured it makes sense that he did not. Has the potential to be the best of all of the backs, but as I said probably needs this year to develop.
All 3 seem to block well.
Slade: Scat back in the mold of Darren Sproles, IMO not a good fit for this offense. He would probably be phenomenal in an offense like Washington State's, which utilize a lot of draw plays and get the back involved in the passing game. Needs to really work on his run-blocking.
My opinion for what it's worth.
Watched OSU destroy Wisconsin offensive line yesterday. I don't see how we will be able to block them. Especially the d end who had 4 or 5 sacks. He's the best player we will see this year. That will be the difference in the game.
IMO Ohio st won’t be able to play defense against us like they did Wisconsin because we have a mobile QB and WR’s that will kill you if you don’t watch’em. Wisconsin is big and slow with a average QB at best. Remember last year they said the same thing and we moved the ball just fine we just didn’t take care of the ball and that’s one thing that beat us. I see you out there Hawaii 8-0 brother lol
I'm with you on the RB issue Roam. Slade is the weak link for the reasons you stated. I'd rank the others in order: Cain, Brown and Ford. Also. I don't think the OL is as bad as some people say. IMO they've improved significantly over last year. Sure there's room for improvement, there always is in all facets of the game. They've gone up against some pretty good defenses the last few weeks and held up fairly well.
They did not hold up well in the run game against MSU... It was painfully obvious to any that watched the game unless you want to ignore the fact no RB was finding any great success yesterday.
No they are not the worst but they are to inconsistent game in game out. That inconsistency was the main reason for a lack luster running game against MSU. You could have ran Cain all night but the OL was not getting any push. Sorry falling forward is not a successful run when you are fit at or behind the LOS.
Its amazing that simple things like poor OL play can be down played to try and make a point about RB rotation.
I'm with you on the RB issue Roam. Slade is the weak link for the reasons you stated. I'd rank the others in order: Cain, Brown and Ford. Also. I don't think the OL is as bad as some people say. IMO they've improved significantly over last year. Sure there's room for improvement, there always is in all facets of the game. They've gone up against some pretty good defenses the last few weeks and held up fairly well.
They did not hold up well in the run game against MSU... It was painfully obvious to any that watched the game unless you want to ignore the fact no RB was finding any great success yesterday.
No they are not the worst but they are to inconsistent game in game out. That inconsistency was the main reason for a lack luster running game against MSU. You could have ran Cain all night but the OL was not getting any push. Sorry falling forward is not a successful run when you are fit at or behind the LOS.
Its amazing that simple things like poor OL play can be down played to try and make a point about RB rotation.
I'm not downplaying the OL play. I just don't see it as "poor" and as you admit "they are not the worst". The OL is serviceable and they have their moments, good and bad. As I stated previously, they need to improve as does every other aspect of the team. That's how you get to be elite. We wouldn't be sitting at 8-0 if the OL play was as poor as you contend!
I'm with you on the RB issue Roam. Slade is the weak link for the reasons you stated. I'd rank the others in order: Cain, Brown and Ford. Also. I don't think the OL is as bad as some people say. IMO they've improved significantly over last year. Sure there's room for improvement, there always is in all facets of the game. They've gone up against some pretty good defenses the last few weeks and held up fairly well.
They did not hold up well in the run game against MSU... It was painfully obvious to any that watched the game unless you want to ignore the fact no RB was finding any great success yesterday.
No they are not the worst but they are to inconsistent game in game out. That inconsistency was the main reason for a lack luster running game against MSU. You could have ran Cain all night but the OL was not getting any push. Sorry falling forward is not a successful run when you are fit at or behind the LOS.
Its amazing that simple things like poor OL play can be down played to try and make a point about RB rotation.
I'm not downplaying the OL play. I just don't see it as "poor" and as you admit "they are not the worst". The OL is serviceable and they have their moments, good and bad. As I stated previously, they need to improve as does every other aspect of the team. That's how you get to be elite. We wouldn't be sitting at 8-0 if the OL play was as poor as you contend!
And they were bad in the run game yesterday... They are a better pass blocking unit at this point and that is where the majority of success has come from. Why we are at 8-0...
Yes this team can be 8-0 with a poor run blocking line just like it can be 8-0 with a RB rotation. I want every RB to find success behind a dominant run blocking line but until they get to that point we will struggle to get guys like Cain free. The blocking us poor yesterday, it was easy to see.
It was raining, historically that makes it a run game. MSU should have been focused on the run.
I don't think you are ever going to get an RPO line to run block like Wisconsin but I haven't heard an educated opinion on what may be and offensive line compromise when you are a RPO team.
I'm not saying the line is great but it isn't the line from years ago. Not the line from 94 either 🙂
It was raining, historically that makes it a run game. MSU should have been focused on the run.
I don't think you are ever going to get an RPO line to run block like Wisconsin but I haven't heard an educated opinion on what may be and offensive line compromise when you are a RPO team.
I'm not saying the line is great but it isn't the line from years ago. Not the line from 94 either 🙂
the offensive line under an RPO scheme has been discussed in this form quite often, just not since you've been here
They still have Texas ranked lol. Man it’s beautiful seeing Penn State ranked in the top 5 😁 we knew the 3 game street was going to be tough but we had no idea Minnesota would be 8-0 so the stretch is even tougher
That might be why Rahne is so pass happy.
It might be... PSU has a lot of weapons in the pass game... If the run blocking gets better and consistent it could be scary good offense.
It was raining, historically that makes it a run game. MSU should have been focused on the run.
I don't think you are ever going to get an RPO line to run block like Wisconsin but I haven't heard an educated opinion on what may be and offensive line compromise when you are a RPO team.
I'm not saying the line is great but it isn't the line from years ago. Not the line from 94 either 🙂
That is exactly why I personally want the RPO gone, gone, gone next year. Too much talent on this team to have it wasted on what I call a Division III style offense.
The thing that is a bit confusing is both Ryan Bates and Conner McGovern were good enough to be signed in the NFL. Obviously they have to pretty good individually to make that happen, which makes you wonder if it isn't more scheme than talent.
I think Schemes like GA Tech's option allow lesser teams to win. I don't think GA Tech should have abandoned it.
I question if the RPO is appropriate for a team with top 10 recruits. I'm not saying it can't be a play but the entire scheme? I think it is less of a true RPO this year. I think many plays are decided at the snap and passes are just play action which makes it tough for the back to help pass block? Is the defense to play against us the run blitz?
It was raining, historically that makes it a run game. MSU should have been focused on the run.
I don't think you are ever going to get an RPO line to run block like Wisconsin but I haven't heard an educated opinion on what may be and offensive line compromise when you are a RPO team.
I'm not saying the line is great but it isn't the line from years ago. Not the line from 94 either 🙂
That is exactly why I personally want the RPO gone, gone, gone next year. Too much talent on this team to have it wasted on what I call a Division III style offense.
That's great and all but you better tell all the power 5 coaches that run with great success...
I think Schemes like GA Tech's option allow lesser teams to win. I don't think GA Tech should have abandoned it.
I question if the RPO is appropriate for a team with top 10 recruits. I'm not saying it can't be a play but the entire scheme? I think it is less of a true RPO this year. I think many plays are decided at the snap and passes are just play action which makes it tough for the back to help pass block? Is the defense to play against us the run blitz?
Well you may question it but many power 5 coaches run it as a base.
I don't disagree with a RPO package and a spread package or ap prostyle package... At this point this team has been very successful with this offense so I'm not questioning the use of.
