I have been having discussions with roam and Southern over this stuff for quite some time...My memories of Saban at Michigan State are faded and I am sure Dantonio has had way more success than Saban did there...Obviously not fair to compare total wins but winning percentage is a fair comparison... As far as LSU I can't recall who was the coach prior to Saban but my memory says the guy recruited well and the cupboard was far from bare when he arrived there...Alabama has a rich football history and a wealthy alumni base who is famous for their generosity... Like I said...put him in Kansas or Syracuse or West Virginia or even Vanderbilt and let's see how he does... Same goes for Billy boy Bellicheat up in New England...
As far as the ESPN thing goes I have never been more right about anything in my life...the whole system is rigged and a farce..
I love u guys and enjoy arguing with u... Hahahaha... I am sure we will be on this all season and when my predictions are right at the end of the season we can have a laugh. .
Saban had some good years at MSU but every time i started thinking his team was going to do it they'd lose to someone they shouldn't. I don't think he'd ever be able to do at MSU what he has done at AL. AL is special, Football matters like no other place except TX, academics don't, the fan base nor the administration care much about anything but winning.
I've had the opportunity to spend a few hours with a RB that went pro of Sabans. Although, he wasn't trying to badmouth Saban, his education was poor so he didn't know what he was saying, but it was clear that Nick didn't support his education/health/family, only winning. When he wasn't the star back he was dirt and after a great year he was a lowlife when he wanted to go pro even though his family was dirt poor.
Could Nick do better than Urban at OSU? Maybe. At MSU he was third or 4th to OSU and UM. Nick understands it is about recruiting and every given Saturday he has the higher ranked recruits.
When was the last time he won a game with poorer recruits?
Since this is a ND thread, I'll say that while I have a dislike of ND, I do respect that they use something better than the NCAA's absolute minimum requirements.
You know the NCAA used to report more academics for athletes. They'd even show how minority athletes were doing. Wander why the stopped? Same reason TV quit telling us what the players major was.
Ohio st, penn st and Michigan was a mess when Dantonio was winning the big 10 and that’s the only reason he won the big 10. I told everybody when penn st Ohio st and Michigan get back Michigan States days of winning the big 10 are over and you see that I’m right. Another thing, I know y’all ain’t trying to say Dantonio is in the same class as Saban are ya? He ain’t even close to being the coach Saban is!
In 2012-2013 ND had to vacate all their wins because a student trainer was pretty much doing all the class work for 8 of their players. So yeah, there's that elephant in the room when we're talking about ND and higher academic standards.
I believe Dantonio is a better coach than Saban is...How many championships did Tricky Nicky win at MSU? What was his winning percentage? I give Dantonio credit...HE STAYED and didn't go for the cash grab...I say put Dantonio in Alabama and he has the same success if not more than Tricky Nicky...You are what your record is...Dantonio has won more at Michigan State than Tricky Nicky did...I don't fault him for being loyal and staying...Joseph Vincent Paterno did the same thing...As is Tricky Nicky's way he always takes the money and runs at the first opportunity...Nothing wrong with this as it is the American Way but I am not gonna canonize this guy for it...He didn't have the guts to stay at MSU and finish the job and ran to LSU for the money...and then ran to the Dolphins and then to Bama...In my opinion Tricky Nicky has benefitted significantly from a rigged system that greatly benefits his team and the conference his team plays in...Why else would he be fighting hammer and tong to keep the current system?
Michigan state was garbage when saban took over and he had them at 10 wins when he left. LSU was below average and he won a NC and Alabama was an average team and we both know how that’s turned out 5 NC’s my brother. Chit, let’s get it on and get the true top 5 greatest coaches of all time
#1 the greatest Joe Paterno and it’s not even debatable. 5 undefeated seasons. 24 bowl wins and 409 total wins so some things are debatable but this ain’t joe is #1
#2 the great Bobby Bowdon just check his record it speaks for itself!
#3 the great Bear Bryant 315 wins so enough said
#4 Slick Nick baby
#5 Barry Switzer. check Toms record against Oklahoma then you’ll see why I got Tom #6 that’s if I ranked the top 10 but I only rank the top 5 because this is where the big dawg coaches coach baby! There you go FD lol
Michigan state was garbage when saban took over and he had them at 10 wins when he left. LSU was below average and he won a NC and Alabama was an average team and we both know how that’s turned out 5 NC’s my brother. Chit, let’s get it on and get the true top 5 greatest coaches of all time
#1 the greatest Joe Paterno and it’s not even debatable. 5 undefeated seasons. 24 bowl wins and 409 total wins so some things are debatable but this ain’t joe is #1
#2 the great Bobby Bowdon just check his record it speaks for itself!
#3 the great Bear Bryant 315 wins so enough said
#4 Slick Nick baby
#5 Barry Switzer. check Toms record against Oklahoma then you’ll see why I got Tom #6 that’s if I ranked the top 10 but I only rank the top 5 because this is where the big dawg coaches coach baby! There you go FD lol
I love how you always add "baby" after saying something from Alabama. Love it. LMAO
USC isn't what it was under Pete the Cheat but that doesn't mean USC doesn't have certain advantages.
Hate to tell ya but the best coach in the last decade or so as much as I hate to say it is Ole cousin urban... He is a scumbag but he was the best college coach the last 15 years....tricky Nicky and slimy Switzer don't belong on that list...
FD, Urban ran out of the SEC because he knew his days of winning in the SEC were over. Nobody has ever had the run Saban has had the last 10 years. Look at all the NC’s and SEC championships he’s won. The great Bobby Bowdon in the 90’s had a great run but even that run don’t compare to the run Saban and Alabama has had the last 10 years. Urban is great but he’s not Nick Saban.
You act like winning the SEC is tough? The last 5 years the B1G was the toughest conference. .. Urban ran out of the U of F not because he couldn't win but because his wife caught him having an affair with a 21 year old coed... He was also having discipline issues as you remember the whole circle of trust nonsense... Had nothing to do with winning...
2017 the big 10 was the toughest but that’s about it. We all got beat last year in bowl games and in 2016 we didn’t fair good in bowl games and if I remember right in 2015 Michigan State got hammered by the Tide in the playoffs. I don’t know FD I just don’t see what you see in the big 10. I see Penn state, Michigan and Ohio State and that’s just about it. The west is garbage and if we send a light weight like Wisconsin to the CFP they’ll get the same thing Michigan State got....destroyed. I don’t see Wisconsin beating the winner of the penn st and Ohio st game though.
Now I’m not saying Wisconsin and Michigan State can’t get some good wins I’m saying if we send these 2 teams to the playoffs they’ll get the chit kicked out of ‘em
Bowl games are no longer an accurate barometer of how good teams are as most of the best players opt out and don't play...so the bowls are nothing more than a getaway and reward for the teams...
I also disagree that the B1G champ gets embarrassed by any SEC team... Again the system favors them as most of the games are played in the southeast in their back yards... I like the idea of having these games played up here in November and December and make these southern teams come north..
Penn State , Ohio st and Michigan won’t but the rest will get killed in the playoffs. Remember what Michigan State got in 2015 38-0 and what Ohio st got in 2016 31-0 of course when Jim Delany sends the 2nd best team in the big 10 that’s what happens. When it’s nitty gritty time in the playoffs light weights like Michigan State and Wisconsin will get killed. On the bowl games the greatest Joe paterno went wherever and best up on all teams from all conferences so we can’t use that as an excuse that’s something Nebraska and Tom Osborne does 😁. James Franklin can and will go anywhere and win, he’s already done it and done some of it coaching at Vanderbilt.
Truth be told, like the BCS rankings, they shouldn’t have polls in pre (or even early) season. It is easy to correct if an over-rated team loses but if an under- rated on wins (PSU in 16?) it is difficult to climb over higher ranked teams.
Ummm Southern .. Ohio State was NOT the B1G champ in 2016...Penn State was... I ain't buying this SEC crap... They hand pick their opponents and do all they can to keep them away from a hot team... The bowls don't matter and are no longer a reliable yardstick because the better players sit because of the NFL draft and injury...
I agree we should’ve been in the playoffs but Jim Delany wanted Ohio st so the committee took ‘em it’s that simple. Now the scumbag Delany is telling the committee to take the big 10 champ because Ohio st got the shaft the last 2 seasons.
Southern I usually agree with you but not on the point of bowl games, take into account often the #4,5,or 6 team of the BIG was playing the 2 or 3 team in another conference I believe that is why our record is not as good.
I agree sometimes the bowl games for the big 10 is our 4th team going against another conference 3rd team but the SEC has the same disadvantages and they still win more bowl games and some of those wins are against the big 10. My point is joe paterno went everywhere and won bowl games against all the top dawgs of other conferences so it can be done. BTW Joe come south and won a lot of bowl games.
