My apologies. I had to go back and re-read what FD said. But, we all know what the man was implying and I still stand by my statement that a one loss Bama that NEVER went to their Championship game should not have made it to the dance that year. I'm pretty sure that's what FD was getting at. The loser of their ship doesnt go to the dance?? Ok, I'm fine with that. But, by the same token, how in the hell can anyone justify a team that never MADE it to the ship gets a ticket to the dance?? Not to mention they played one less game then the rest and were able to heal some wounds.
My apologies. I had to go back and re-read what FD said. But, we all know what the man was implying and I still stand by my statement that a one loss Bama that NEVER went to their Championship game should not have made it to the dance that year. I'm pretty sure that's what FD was getting at. The loser of their ship doesnt go to the dance?? Ok, I'm fine with that. But, by the same token, how in the hell can anyone justify a team that never MADE it to the ship gets a ticket to the dance?? Not to mention they played one less game then the rest and were able to heal some wounds.
Happens all the time in every other sport, even in the NFL wildcards make the playoffs.
Look, I have said multiple times I hate this format. What I want to see is all five conference champs, two wild cards, and one group of 5 team.
The last I checked, there was no wildcard in the CFP. We can all agree that the system sucks. Where most of us part ways with you is simple. We dont think Alabama deserved a spot in the CFP in 2017. You do. Enough said.
LOL......FD has a valid gripe. That very same year Georgia was ranked #1, they lost, and dropped down to #7. The very next week; Alabama is ranked #1 due in part to a victory over #16 Mississippi State. Here's the kicker, does Mississippi State drop with their third loss of the year?? Oh hell no, they stay at #16. In fact, MSU wins a game the following week and moves up to #14. Where's UCF?? UCF is undefeated and sitting behind a 3 loss MSU at #15. Is MSU being kept high up in the rankings to make Bama's SOS look better?? The things that make you go hmmmmmmm. Week 13 Alabama loses and the CFP polls come out. Did they drop to #7 like Georgia?? Ha!!! They go to #5 and UGA moves up to #6; certainly doesnt look like SEC bias to me (note sarcasm). We all know how the rest played out; Some teams went on to play in their Conference Ship games and some teams sat on their butts, watched those games, and got a golden invite to the dance. So yeah, Mr FD has a very valid point. The CFP is all about the advertising dollars gentlemen. Anybody that thinks there's any other motive behind it is being deceived.
I've played big time college sports guys, I've seen firsthand how the almighty dollar drives the bus. Cinderella teams like UCF are gonna get left behind and screwed every year. It is what it is.
The last I checked, there was no wildcard in the CFP. We can all agree that the system sucks. Where most of us part ways with you is simple. We dont think Alabama deserved a spot in the CFP in 2017. You do. Enough said.
Who did then?
11-2 Ohio State? They had 2 losses, including an absoy curb stomping by unranked Iowa
12-1 Wisconsin? Their schedule was absolute garbage. They played 1 ranked team all year: #19
13-0 UCF? Didn't play in a Power 5 conference, only played two ranked teams who were also non Power 5 teams. Probably your best bet, but that has nothing to do with Alabama... It's more a discussion about how we value Group of 5 teams.
Sorry, but if you're thinking is Wisconsin or Ohio State belonged ahead of Alabama... then yes I disagree. Ohio State had no business in the playoff after getting absolutely destroyed by Iowa, and Wisconsin's schedule that year was pathetic.
All that said, yeah the system sucks. I just don't think it's rigged for Alabama though, as Ohio State got in the year before without winning their conference.
The reason Alabama gets a little bit of a benefit of the doubt is they don't get blown out by unranked teams, and they don't lose twice.
As I said before: All Power 5 champs, one Group of 5 team, and two wild cards is the way to go in the current conference alignment. You could even use computer algorithms like RPI to rank the conferences year after year to make sure that the five power 5 conferences really are demonstrativly better.
What about Alabama's schedule?? I'll give you OSU and Wisc, I never thought they deserved a shot. BUT, I thought OSU deserved a shot over Alabama because they won their conference. If a conference championship doesnt mean anything, why play the damn game?? Alabama played an overrated FSU the first game. Big deal, FSU was out of the top 25 before the CFP polls came out, if not soon after. They played 3 "top 25 teams", LSU, Miss State, and Auburn. They lost to Auburn and never got a chance to lose a second game because they were able to sit out the SEC championship game and rest their players. Incidentially, a 3 loss LSU team didnt even finish in the top 15 that year (17th) and a 4 loss Miss State finished at #23. That kinda blows the tougher schedule argument out of the water.
So, who would i have put in?? UCF. They did what they needed to do and won all their games. Would they have gotten blown out?? Who knows, we never had the chance to see.
There's no way anyone can tell me that advertising dollars doesnt have a major voice in who gets picked.
Actually gentlemen if you revisit the tape and look at the propoganda the ESPN talking heads were pushing they stated that Bama was in and that Georgia needed to win to get in... It wasn't Bama that was playing there way in but Georgia... Go back and look at the tape.. There wasn't one ESPN SEC shill that wasn't pushing the Bama is in narrative.. NOT One... It's a sham and a joke and even Herbstriet got in a huff last year when Ohio State was left out...the whole thing was a sham... Is a sham... And will be a sham until the 5 conference champs plus 2 independents outside of the power 5 plus a power 5 at large team make up the playoff...The year in question Bama got to take an extra week or 2 off...Not risk an injury to any of their players by them not having to play in that football game and were assured a ticket to the playoffs... It's absolutely absurd and ridiculous to have ANY team in the playoffs that don't qualify for their conference championship game PERIOD STOP...I don't give a fat fig who they are and how good they look via the EYE TEST...the eye test is reserved for beauty pageants not athletic contests...the games must matter and it's clear they don't... It's a joke and a farce....
ND is the highest ranked team with 2 wins and the highest with one loss.
Who would you say has the most influence on rankings? Could it be ESPN/ABC? And who owns the SEC Network?
Any reason to suspect a bias? A conflict?
Might NBC have a bias towards ND? Would OSU be higher if ESPN owned the BTN?
Underlion that has been my argument for years ... It's purely business and ESPN has a financial interest in making sure the SEC gets as much exposure as possible as they are business partners ...Now they are in bed with the ACC as well so watch the nonsense go on with that conference and it's rankings... To think there isn't chicanery and shenanigans going on is purely naive ... The B1G and the Pac 12 are business competition...They push Notre Dame cause they are the perfect patsies as they haven't won a big game or even have been competitive in a big game in 30 years or so.. They have a fan base so they bring eyeballs and after they get stomped on by the SEC team the narrative can continue...they don't want a B1G team in cause the odds are they will win and expose this whole system for the fraud that it is... The whole thing is a farce...
I gotta say that my favorite one is the whole "eye test" nonsense ... What's remarkable is how many people buy into the bullbutter ... LOL.. This team looks better coming off the team bus so they pass the eye test... They win.. Everybody back on the bus...absolutely ridiculous... They make a dad gum mockery of the thing... What a farce...
I don't know why funeral director feels the constant need to keep saying it's a sham when we've all said we want a different format.
Yeah we get... it it's a sham
There's a big difference between it being a flawed system, and ESPN controlling everything. That is where I think you're being completely ridiculous.
And no, The narrative wasn't that Alabama was getting in over Wisconsin. The narrative was that Wisconsin needed to win the Big Ten to get in, and if they lost Alabama would get in ahead of them.
Sorry Roam...You need to go back and look at the tape...Bama was IN...Never in doubt...Georgia was the one playing to get in not Bama...The system is purposely flawed so ESPN can control it...They have paid 10's of billions of dollars for the rights and they are going to make sure their investment pays dividends...They are in bed with 2 conferences with 2 channels...You wanna talk about a conflict of interest...It is ridiculous, naïve and flat out stupid if anybody in thinks that ESPN isn't tilting the field in favor of those 2 conferences and their teams...In fact ESPN (Disney Corp) would be guilty of negligence to their shareholders if they weren't...Without a doubt the B1G has been the best conference in the country top to bottom for the last 3 or 4 years...The B1G east division is the toughest division in college football and it isn't even close...I remember that argument being used to bludgeon everybody else when the SEC used that argument to get TWO teams into the playoffs and to have BOTH teams in a mythical national championship game even though those teams already had a game in the regular season...I think the only person in America that doesn't think the current system is flawed or a sham in Tricky Nicky Saban...Who has transformed himself from a mid range coach to Vince Lombardi...Never won jack squat at Michigan State, inherited a championship team at LSU, got his ears knocked off with the Dolphins in the NFL and then found his way to Bama and a plum job...So of course Tricky Nicky don't want the system to change because his teams get a pass every year into the playoff as long as he don't lose 3 games and I ain't so sure if he lost 3 games they would keep him out...If you're a sacred cow it has been demonstrated over and over again that you are better off losing a game and not playing in your conference championship because you get an extra week or 2 off and don't have to risk injury. To finish this post I find it fascinating that you don't think ESPN is overtly biased for the SEC and ACC...Maybe it's just me but to my eyes and ears every one of the talking heads at ESPN are nothing but shills for the SEC to the point their schtick has become predictable and stale...
I agree with some of your post FD but Saban won 10 games at Michigan State which is very hard to do plus Michigan State and LSU were garbage when he took over them 2 teams as for the Dolphins he didn’t do bad he just realized college was a better place for him. Saban May get a pass every once in a while but make no mistake he’s one of the greatest coaches in the history of all sports. Alabama wasn’t garbage by no means but they were 7-5 team at best when he took over the Tide. The dude is just that good and his track record speaks for itself. The big 10 east is good but the rest of the big 10 stinks but you’re right about the big 10 east it’s a brutal league but the SEC is much better from top to bottom, much better. Just my opinion brother lol
Dang you FD you making me sound like a Tide homer, don’t read to much into this navylion I’m. Penn State and Ga Tech fan lol
Tricky Nicky wasn't nearly as successful as Mark Dantonio at MSU...Not even close...He inherited a ready made team at LSU that was loaded with talent and to his credit he didn't screw it up...As soon as he won he jumped at the instant cash grab and went on to coach the Dolphins and that was a disaster...If he was so great of a coach why didn't he turn them around? Alabama was and is a nationally renowned program with a built in recruiting edge...Port Tricky Nicky to West Virginia or Syracuse or to Kansas and lets see what his record is...He couldn't shine Lombardi's shoes...One of the great con jobs of all time..Same thing goes for Billy boy up on New England...When he coached the Browns he was a joke...He gets lucky and they find Brady in the 7th round or whatever and all of a sudden he becomes a genius...It's all about being fortunate enough to have talent to coach...I don't give a rip who you are if your players aren't good you aren't gonna win games...That simple...
How many rings does Belichick and Saban have? Lol I don’t know for sure but it’s a lot lol
How many did Billy boy get before Brady showed up? How bout tricky Nicky? He had a ready made team at LSU and then he goes to Bama...both are in very similar situations... Billy boy is in a cupcake division where he walks into the playoffs with a 1 or 2 seed because his owner is powerful and they give them a cupcake schedule every year... Same deal with Bama... They skate into the playoffs every year... They have a tough game or 2 usually at home and even if they happen to lose its overlooked and they put em in anyway because they pass the eye test... Hahaha...These guys are good coaches who got lucky... Billy boy got Brady and tricky Nicky lucked his way into a great situation at LSU and Bama... Great coaches win wherever they go..
Tricky Nicky wasn't nearly as successful as Mark Dantonio at MSU...Not even close...He inherited a ready made team at LSU that was loaded with talent and to his credit he didn't screw it up...As soon as he won he jumped at the instant cash grab and went on to coach the Dolphins and that was a disaster...If he was so great of a coach why didn't he turn them around? Alabama was and is a nationally renowned program with a built in recruiting edge...Port Tricky Nicky to West Virginia or Syracuse or to Kansas and lets see what his record is...He couldn't shine Lombardi's shoes...One of the great con jobs of all time..Same thing goes for Billy boy up on New England...When he coached the Browns he was a joke...He gets lucky and they find Brady in the 7th round or whatever and all of a sudden he becomes a genius...It's all about being fortunate enough to have talent to coach...I don't give a rip who you are if your players aren't good you aren't gonna win games...That simple...
Nick Saban took over a winless team at Michigan State. They won 0 games before he got there. He was there for 5 years, and the season he left after giving MSU it's first 10 win season since 1965. The only reason Mark Dantonio is "more successful" at Michigan State is because he stayed there and didn't leave after 5 years.
He took over a "ready made" LSU team? What??? Their previous two seasons were 4-7 & 3-8, in what world is that "ready made"? He also won the title 4 years in, not the next year when he took over. So it was all his players, not the previous coaches. LSU was an also ran school in the SEC before Saban got there, they weren't an SEC power by any metric. They had won the SEC conference only 3 times in over 40 years. Saban made LSU a power.
The NFL is a different animal, there's a long list of great college coaches going to the NFL and failing. So I don't really care about his NFL stint.
If Alabama was so conducive to winning and recruiting, why could no one else do it there until Saban came along? They won 1 National Title since 1980, and then Saban showed up and they've won 5 more. Yet you'd have us believe it's just because Alabama is so ridiculously easy to recruit? Because all the other coaches had so much success there???
What exactly do coaches do then? So everything is a con job when it comes to rankings, ESPN runs everything, and coaches don't really have any effect on games and just get lucky to coach certain players... LMAO, why do you watch a sport you seem to hate so much? 😆 😆 😆 😆 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Love ya FD
Tricky Nicky wasn't nearly as successful as Mark Dantonio at MSU...Not even close...He inherited a ready made team at LSU that was loaded with talent and to his credit he didn't screw it up...As soon as he won he jumped at the instant cash grab and went on to coach the Dolphins and that was a disaster...If he was so great of a coach why didn't he turn them around? Alabama was and is a nationally renowned program with a built in recruiting edge...Port Tricky Nicky to West Virginia or Syracuse or to Kansas and lets see what his record is...He couldn't shine Lombardi's shoes...One of the great con jobs of all time..Same thing goes for Billy boy up on New England...When he coached the Browns he was a joke...He gets lucky and they find Brady in the 7th round or whatever and all of a sudden he becomes a genius...It's all about being fortunate enough to have talent to coach...I don't give a rip who you are if your players aren't good you aren't gonna win games...That simple...
Nick Saban took over a winless team at Michigan State. They won 0 games before he got there. He was there for 5 years, and the season he left after giving MSU it's first 10 win season since 1965. The only reason Mark Dantonio is "more successful" at Michigan State is because he stayed there and didn't leave after 5 years.
He took over a "ready made" LSU team? What??? Their previous two seasons were 4-7 & 3-8, in what world is that "ready made"? He also won the title 4 years in, not the next year when he took over. So it was all his players, not the previous coaches. LSU was an also ran school in the SEC before Saban got there, they weren't an SEC power by any metric. They had won the SEC conference only 3 times in over 40 years. Saban made LSU a power.
The NFL is a different animal, there's a long list of great college coaches going to the NFL and failing. So I don't really care about his NFL stint.
If Alabama was so conducive to winning and recruiting, why could no one else do it there until Saban came along? They won 1 National Title since 1980, and then Saban showed up and they've won 5 more. Yet you'd have us believe it's just because Alabama is so ridiculously easy to recruit? Because all the other coaches had so much success there???
What exactly do coaches do then? So everything is a con job when it comes to rankings, ESPN runs everything, and coaches don't really have any effect on games and just get lucky to coach certain players... LMAO, why do you watch a sport you seem to hate so much? 😆 😆 😆 😆 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Love ya FD
Roam, I’m impressed with your presentation of the facts. Did you google that stuff or do you just remember it? Just wondering......
It would make a nice masters project in statistics to assess what the ESPN factor is worth. Let several computer algorithms rank teams and then compare to see what the Evil Empire influence is worth.
Tricky Nicky wasn't nearly as successful as Mark Dantonio at MSU...Not even close...He inherited a ready made team at LSU that was loaded with talent and to his credit he didn't screw it up...As soon as he won he jumped at the instant cash grab and went on to coach the Dolphins and that was a disaster...If he was so great of a coach why didn't he turn them around? Alabama was and is a nationally renowned program with a built in recruiting edge...Port Tricky Nicky to West Virginia or Syracuse or to Kansas and lets see what his record is...He couldn't shine Lombardi's shoes...One of the great con jobs of all time..Same thing goes for Billy boy up on New England...When he coached the Browns he was a joke...He gets lucky and they find Brady in the 7th round or whatever and all of a sudden he becomes a genius...It's all about being fortunate enough to have talent to coach...I don't give a rip who you are if your players aren't good you aren't gonna win games...That simple...
Nick Saban took over a winless team at Michigan State. They won 0 games before he got there. He was there for 5 years, and the season he left after giving MSU it's first 10 win season since 1965. The only reason Mark Dantonio is "more successful" at Michigan State is because he stayed there and didn't leave after 5 years.
He took over a "ready made" LSU team? What??? Their previous two seasons were 4-7 & 3-8, in what world is that "ready made"? He also won the title 4 years in, not the next year when he took over. So it was all his players, not the previous coaches. LSU was an also ran school in the SEC before Saban got there, they weren't an SEC power by any metric. They had won the SEC conference only 3 times in over 40 years. Saban made LSU a power.
The NFL is a different animal, there's a long list of great college coaches going to the NFL and failing. So I don't really care about his NFL stint.
If Alabama was so conducive to winning and recruiting, why could no one else do it there until Saban came along? They won 1 National Title since 1980, and then Saban showed up and they've won 5 more. Yet you'd have us believe it's just because Alabama is so ridiculously easy to recruit? Because all the other coaches had so much success there???
What exactly do coaches do then? So everything is a con job when it comes to rankings, ESPN runs everything, and coaches don't really have any effect on games and just get lucky to coach certain players... LMAO, why do you watch a sport you seem to hate so much? 😆 😆 😆 😆 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 Love ya FD
Roam, I’m impressed with your presentation of the facts. Did you google that stuff or do you just remember it? Just wondering......
Of course I looked up that stuff to make sure it was correct. Usually do. If I think I am correct about something, or have a feeling about it, I look up the facts. Sometimes when I look them up, my opinion actually changes from when I started, because what I thought I knew was incorrect.
I'd hope most people would want to make sure any argument being made was based on correct information!
That said, facts can be interpreted different ways. Just because I have the facts doesn't necessarily mean I'm interpreting them correctly. I think FD and I have talked enough that he knows I simply disagree with him, and that I'm not mad or don't appreciate his opinion at all. Though I do think he's crazy about the ESPN ranking conspiracy LMAO!
So TL/DR... Basically I'll think I remember something, then look it up to get the finer details and make sure I'm right.
That’s why I always trust you Roam because I know you do your research. How many rings does Belichick and Saban have? The FD is a great poster and he’s fun to chat with
