Dude hikes his leg like he’s peeing after he scores a TD and they throw a flag and because of the flag Mississippi misses the extra point lol
What does FFS mean?
For F**k Sake... lol - I know, I let my job kinda bleed into my writing sometimes. Being online all the time leads to my use of those.
Anyways, Southern, I know that you knew I wasn't saying the coaches were sitting on their butts... and I also know you understood I wasn't calling you out but just saying we need to see and accept our flaws and move forward. Though it does get old having to explain every time you criticize someone that it's only MY opinion, NO I don't think I am a coach, and NO I don't think everyone should be fired.
What's the point of an opinion board if every time you say something critical the retort is "you aren't a coach so you don't know". Well yeah, that's why it is an opinion and not a fact.
Dude hikes his leg like he’s peeing after he scores a TD and they throw a flag and because of the flag Mississippi misses the extra point lol
Glad Moorhead is going bowling, one of the benefits to so many bowl games is I think it gives the lesser teams more of a chance to climb up with those extra practices.
Lol I didn’t connect the dots on that one
Yeah, it's one of the more unknown or not well known acronyms. No big deal.
You're a good dude Southern, so is Nitnation...
"Besides Hamler, did Penn State ever throw a fade route to any other wide receiver? Hamler is 5'9", Shorter is much taller... If you can’t teach a 6-4 guy how to catch balls on a fade route, is that on him or you as a coach?"
Interesting take, I agree. It's not all on Shorter.
Hey Roam, Happy Thanksgiving. I’ve wondered about this too. However, as the season has gone on, I’ve wondered if Clifford just doesn’t trust Shorter to make a play or he doesn’t have the time to make all his progressions and just automatically looks to Hamler or Friermuth because they are reliable. I also read the article you are referencing. I attached it here for everyone also. The big thing that stuck out to me is that Giger, a PSU media guy close to the program, says there are rumblings around the program that Shorter is just not a college ready WR right now. He says the chatter is he runs bad routes, doesn’t get separation, and doesn’t use his size to his advantage. I know it’s on the coaches to help develop that, however, when some kids are just so much more athletic and big in high school, it comes easy, when they get to the next level, they have to work even harder because everyone is on a more level playing field. Some guys just don’t pan out. Maybe Shorter ends up a really good college WR, but he’s going to have to work at it, it’s not going to come easy. This is the most frustrating part to me. It seems as though the kid has given up and thinks things will just magically be better somewhere else. If the above is true about his route running etc, then that will be true elsewhere also unless he works to make it better. I also think there is a reason why they are bringing in 5 WRs in next year’s recruiting class, they don’t trust anyone besides Hamler and Dotson right now.
Also, I’m not a fan of Giger, but the article points out what I was already thinking.
Giger: Shorter in transfer portal bad look for Lions
Lol... Do you even read what you post... I don't think you do...
I asked you a simple question you go on a six paragraph rant.
Yes you were talking about Franklin ,yes you were questioning the fade routes and I put no meaning to anything.
You are the one that posted a "sarcastic quote" from some random like it means something.
In the end we established that Franklin coaches the team to get better every game and ever year and there could be any reason why the fade routes are only going to their best playmaker.
I stated a fact that neither one of us are at practice so we have no clue how the WR preform that play and you get all chippy over it.
What does FFS mean?
but just saying we need to see and accept our flaws and move forward.
FFS this is what I'm talking about...
Your opinion is that this staff does not do this?
What do you base your opinion on?
Amazing that some here are pretty thin skinned but not surprising.
"Besides Hamler, did Penn State ever throw a fade route to any other wide receiver? Hamler is 5'9", Shorter is much taller... If you can’t teach a 6-4 guy how to catch balls on a fade route, is that on him or you as a coach?"
Interesting take, I agree. It's not all on Shorter.
Hey Roam, Happy Thanksgiving. I’ve wondered about this too. However, as the season has gone on, I’ve wondered if Clifford just doesn’t trust Shorter to make a play or he doesn’t have the time to make all his progressions and just automatically looks to Hamler or Friermuth because they are reliable. I also read the article you are referencing. I attached it here for everyone also. The big thing that stuck out to me is that Giger, a PSU media guy close to the program, says there are rumblings around the program that Shorter is just not a college ready WR right now. He says the chatter is he runs bad routes, doesn’t get separation, and doesn’t use his size to his advantage. I know it’s on the coaches to help develop that, however, when some kids are just so much more athletic and big in high school, it comes easy, when they get to the next level, they have to work even harder because everyone is on a more level playing field. Some guys just don’t pan out. Maybe Shorter ends up a really good college WR, but he’s going to have to work at it, it’s not going to come easy. This is the most frustrating part to me. It seems as though the kid has given up and thinks things will just magically be better somewhere else. If the above is true about his route running etc, then that will be true elsewhere also unless he works to make it better. I also think there is a reason why they are bringing in 5 WRs in next year’s recruiting class, they don’t trust anyone besides Hamler and Dotson right now.
Also, I’m not a fan of Giger, but the article points out what I was already thinking.
Giger: Shorter in transfer portal bad look for Lions
What most have been thinking in terms of what might be Sorters problem. One of the top traits coaches love in any sport is COACHABILITY... No idea but if Shorter is being lazy, well that's on him and PSU can't afford to waste time on lazy.
Disagree 100% on him transferring looking bad on PSU. It's the landscape now, Saban just had a 5* CB jump in the portal.
As soon as that moron did that I knew that kick was going to be missed. Would have had that man catch an Uber back to campus.
To quote Giger
So, perhaps all of this is on Shorter.
But I find that very hard to believe.
Fixing that stuff is what Penn State’s coaches get paid for. Finding a way to get the most out of a 6-4, 235-pound receiver is the responsibility of the people running the offense.
100% correct and to even hint that this experienced staff is not doing everything they can to get everything out of Shorter is insane.
At what point do you expect Shorter to take the coaching and actually put it to use in practice or in a game? Or do we all think the coaches are not coaching like this dope suggested...
To quote Giger
Juwan Johnson struggled badly at PSU and transferred to Oregon, and when healthy, he’s been a big factor this season for the Ducks (21 catches, 340 yards, four TDs).
What a joke, this idiot props up a below average season for a bad WR who still has the drops to some how make a point. Seriously
A bad WR left PSU and continued to be bad.
To quote Giger
" The RPO offense is designed to find the best matchup and get the ball to whoever is open, so given that, doesn’t it seem strange that the overwhelming bulk of the throws go to two guys — Hamler and tight end Pat Freiermuth?"
I don't know if it's strange or not... Hey Giger why don't you break down all the passes that went to Hammler and Pat and let us know if they were open? I hope you are not complaining about a QB throwing to two of PSUs best playmakers when they are open.
We’ve had a very tough schedule and we have a chance to win 11 games in a year we had to replace a lot of good football players. Let’s get down to business Saturday and kick the chit out of Rutgers and hopefully we’ll end up in the Rose Bowl that’s a dang good reward for a hard fought season. I ain’t going to lie that Minnesota loss did cause me to get a chip on my shoulders lol. I’m still ticked but I may as well just deal with it lol
To quote Giger
"Rahne had Clifford throwing fade routes to Hamler in the end zone at Minnesota. Hamler is 5-9. Are you serious? If you can’t teach a 6-4 guy how to catch balls on a fade route, is that on him or you as a coach?"
Actually you can teach a 6-4 WR to catch a fade, why don't you tell us about Shorter taking that and executing it? To hard for you, I get it... Just easy to say coach is not getting the job done.
To quote Giger
"Penn State’s offense flat refuses to go under center. Ever. Never, under any circumstance. Nor will it ever use a fullback. Forget about it."
Correct and crying about it won't make it happen, but please carry on with the under enter/FB narrative.
I know you think you have some great insight into running a Power 5 team to the success Franklin has but you really don't.
To quote Giger
"I’ve often wondered, if the offensive coaches are so unbelievably stubborn that they will never, ever try one of those fundamental football elements, then what else are they being stubborn about trying? What else do they struggle with or consider a waste of time?
Because one could make a strong case that properly developing receivers falls into that category."
So this clown thinks Franklin and staff would be stubborn and hurt this team purposely or unintentionally...LMAO
Yes that makes the most sense, Franklin and staff are stubbornly not using players.
That was a winnable game, but only winnable if PSU did not turn the ball over and blow coverage. PSU blew that game on the field, it happens.
In the end Giger's piece was nothing more than a opinion hack job that is devoid of one once of fact to support anything he said...
You want to rile up the masses just toss out empty words or phrases like under center or stubborn or refuse to or shouldn't they be coaching...
What does FFS mean?
but just saying we need to see and accept our flaws and move forward.
FFS this is what I'm talking about...
Your opinion is that this staff does not do this?
What do you base your opinion on?
No, I didn't say that this coaching staff doesn't do it. seriously are you even capable of reading comprehension?
Lol... Do you even read what you post... I don't think you do...
I asked you a simple question you go on a six paragraph rant.
Yes you were talking about Franklin ,yes you were questioning the fade routes and I put no meaning to anything.
You are the one that posted a "sarcastic quote" from some random like it means something.
In the end we established that Franklin coaches the team to get better every game and ever year and there could be any reason why the fade routes are only going to their best playmaker.
I stated a fact that neither one of us are at practice so we have no clue how the WR preform that play and you get all chippy over it.
Yes, you posted the fact that neither of us is at practice so based on that logic white give any opinions ever? What wonderful circular logic reasoning, whenever anyone disagrees with you just blurt out "you aren't at practice" and everyone's opinion is just invalidated.
I also love how when someone clarifies or tells you what they meant, you just continue on like you know better about what they were talking about rather than the person who actually said it. I see that you continue on with your assumption that I was talking about the coaching staff, even though I've said three or four times now that that's not what I meant. But sure, believe what you want because who cares what other people actually say right?
My favorite thing is how you posted a bunch of quotes from Geiger's article, when I didn't even mention anything about the rest of it.
Typical strawman logic "since you posted one quote from an article, you must believe everything that was said within it" There's a reason I didn't post anything else from the article, it's because I only agreed with the quote that I actually posted. You know, that's kind of why I only posted the quote and not the full article.
"Besides Hamler, did Penn State ever throw a fade route to any other wide receiver? Hamler is 5'9", Shorter is much taller... If you can’t teach a 6-4 guy how to catch balls on a fade route, is that on him or you as a coach?"
Interesting take, I agree. It's not all on Shorter.
Hey Roam, Happy Thanksgiving. I’ve wondered about this too. However, as the season has gone on, I’ve wondered if Clifford just doesn’t trust Shorter to make a play or he doesn’t have the time to make all his progressions and just automatically looks to Hamler or Friermuth because they are reliable. I also read the article you are referencing. I attached it here for everyone also. The big thing that stuck out to me is that Giger, a PSU media guy close to the program, says there are rumblings around the program that Shorter is just not a college ready WR right now. He says the chatter is he runs bad routes, doesn’t get separation, and doesn’t use his size to his advantage. I know it’s on the coaches to help develop that, however, when some kids are just so much more athletic and big in high school, it comes easy, when they get to the next level, they have to work even harder because everyone is on a more level playing field. Some guys just don’t pan out. Maybe Shorter ends up a really good college WR, but he’s going to have to work at it, it’s not going to come easy. This is the most frustrating part to me. It seems as though the kid has given up and thinks things will just magically be better somewhere else. If the above is true about his route running etc, then that will be true elsewhere also unless he works to make it better. I also think there is a reason why they are bringing in 5 WRs in next year’s recruiting class, they don’t trust anyone besides Hamler and Dotson right now.
Also, I’m not a fan of Giger, but the article points out what I was already thinking.
Giger: Shorter in transfer portal bad look for Lions
It's certainly a possibility lionbacker99, however I still have to wonder why a bunch of four and five star wide receivers can't seem to get it. Shorter is certainly not the only one who hasn't panned out.
We have an issue with the outside receivers and we need to figure it out. As I have explained multiple times I know the coaches are trying to figure it out, but for two years it's been a huge issue. we had some of the same wide receivers on the team in 2018 than we did in 2017, with the same quarterback, yet the utilization of those receivers dropped off dramatically. Why? What changed?
apparently to some on here even asking that question is a terrible sin.
It's not a sin... But just like that Giger gave an opinion he gave zero reason other than the coaching staff are not coaching or are stubborn.
So you agree the staff is getting it done. Maybe it's scheme, maybe Clifford is not seeing the entire field yet, maybe just maybe the other WR have not progressed as fast. like I said regardless of size it is quite possible that Hamler has mastered all of the intangibles to be the best option on the fade... I told you it's more than just being tall and running a route. Being a 5 star means nothing if you are not getting it in practice.
