.....and so does the NFL!! So here is my suggestion to discourage this:
1) Any NFL team drafting a player that opted out of a bowl game pays that University $5 million......$10 million if they select a first round draft pick!
2) Any player that Opts out of Bowl Game and declares for the draft, pays back their scholarship! I am sure anyone of them can afford to pay back a couple $100,000's!
Something needs to be done!
.....and so does the NFL!! So here is my suggestion to discourage this:
1) Any NFL team drafting a player that opted out of a bowl game pays that University $5 million......$10 million if they select a first round draft pick!
2) Any player that Opts out of Bowl Game and declares for the draft, pays back their scholarship! I am sure anyone of them can afford to pay back a couple $100,000's!
I doubt the NFL would ever get involved in an arrangement like that and could care less if a player opts out....maybe even encourage it. I wish that could happen though, or even a binding contract between player and school if they accept a scholarship. Unfortunately in either yours or my scenario that arrangement would never carry legal water. Just my humble opinion.
Now NFL players are quitting in the middle of a game! Maybe that will get the owners' attention.
One troubled NFL player quit during a game. As far as the opt outs go, I think the players that opt out should be treated as if the walked out on the team in the middle of the season. They should not be able to list PSU as their school. They quit, it is as simple as that.
Look, I don't blame the players ONE BIT!!! They are making a business decision and I am ALL ABOUT taking the sure thing! This Bowl season was BY FAR the least exciting of any year I can remember. The playoffs were a bust to say the least....IMO!!! Ohio State was fun to watch, at least there was SOME action going on. Enjoyed the ND game and Oregon vs Oklahoma game....even Sparty was a fun.
Of the 4 playoff teams, how many players opted out?
Meh, they would just pull a Hackenberg and get injured in the 1st quarter.
Metrics matter and people often overlook very revealing metrics.
When Penn State lost to Alabama in the Sugar Bowl for the NC the talk was about Joe’s play selection on the goal line. When PSU defeated Miami for the NC, the talk was how Miami’s receivers could not take a hard hit. Fans talked about recruiting, developing offensive linemen, and Franco Harris.
It’s saddening that part of the conversation now is justifying players not doing what they were recruited and trained to do.
.....and so does the NFL!! So here is my suggestion to discourage this:
1) Any NFL team drafting a player that opted out of a bowl game pays that University $5 million......$10 million if they select a first round draft pick!
2) Any player that Opts out of Bowl Game and declares for the draft, pays back their scholarship! I am sure anyone of them can afford to pay back a couple $100,000's!
Does a player like Dotson get paid $3 million for returning this year when he could have gone pro last year then?
.....and so does the NFL!! So here is my suggestion to discourage this:
1) Any NFL team drafting a player that opted out of a bowl game pays that University $5 million......$10 million if they select a first round draft pick!
2) Any player that Opts out of Bowl Game and declares for the draft, pays back their scholarship! I am sure anyone of them can afford to pay back a couple $100,000's!
Does a player like Dotson get paid $3 million for returning this year when he could have gone pro last year then?
Nope just the free tuition, room and board and other perks CFB players enjoy. They can leave anytime they want but if they want it to be treated like a business the school should also be able to fire and expell them at any time for poor performance.
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.....and so does the NFL!! So here is my suggestion to discourage this:
1) Any NFL team drafting a player that opted out of a bowl game pays that University $5 million......$10 million if they select a first round draft pick!
2) Any player that Opts out of Bowl Game and declares for the draft, pays back their scholarship! I am sure anyone of them can afford to pay back a couple $100,000's!
Does a player like Dotson get paid $3 million for returning this year when he could have gone pro last year then?
Nope just the free tuition, room and board and other perks CFB players enjoy. They can leave anytime they want but if they want it to be treated like a business the school should also be able to fire and expell them at any time for poor performance.
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Great, show me where kids granted academic scholarships need to pay back the money when they transfer. They made no money for the University at all, and get to just leave.
My opinion is they’ve played games for the scholarship how do they get paid for past games if you make them pay the scholarship back? I don’t like it but it’s a fair system for all the teams every team is playing by the same rules.
Where this is ALL heading is an expanded playoff system. Lets just say they expand it to 16 teams for argument sakes. If THIS YEAR'S Penn State team would have finished in the Top 16 and made the playoffs, I bet most of them would have played. But when you ONLY select 4 teams, the rest of the bowl games just don't mean that much anymore. Any of the top 10 teams could have played as good or even better than Cincy and Michigan did in their games. OK at #16....I wouldn't count them out in post season play this year. I bet they would have done way better than Cincy and Michigan.
If you don't make the top 16, then let the rest of the teams get that extra practice time in and play in a small bowl game. THEN you can look at it as a start to next year. Players that opt out would ONLY then be making room for next years returning players.
To me, the game changed this year even more and I don't think it was to the best for college football.
Nope just the free tuition, room and board and other perks CFB players enjoy. They can leave anytime they want but if they want it to be treated like a business the school should also be able to fire and expell them at any time for poor performance.
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Great, show me where kids granted academic scholarships need to pay back the money when they transfer. They made no money for the University at all, and get to just leave.
Not sure who you responded to but I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about that.
.....and so does the NFL!! So here is my suggestion to discourage this:
1) Any NFL team drafting a player that opted out of a bowl game pays that University $5 million......$10 million if they select a first round draft pick!
2) Any player that Opts out of Bowl Game and declares for the draft, pays back their scholarship! I am sure anyone of them can afford to pay back a couple $100,000's!
Does a player like Dotson get paid $3 million for returning this year when he could have gone pro last year then?
Nope just the free tuition, room and board and other perks CFB players enjoy. They can leave anytime they want but if they want it to be treated like a business the school should also be able to fire and expell them at any time for poor performance.
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Great, show me where kids granted academic scholarships need to pay back the money when they transfer. They made no money for the University at all, and get to just leave.
Definitely a complicated issue. Just not good for college football. What concerns me is absent from the discussion are the educational components of college athletics.
Nope just the free tuition, room and board and other perks CFB players enjoy. They can leave anytime they want but if they want it to be treated like a business the school should also be able to fire and expell them at any time for poor performance.
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Great, show me where kids granted academic scholarships need to pay back the money when they transfer. They made no money for the University at all, and get to just leave.
Not sure who you responded to but I'm pretty sure I didn't say anything about that.
My point was why do you want to treat college football players differently than everyone else at the school? Academic scholarships don't have to pay back anything when those kids transfer or leave, other sports like wrestling see kids leave without fulfilling their scholarship terms too... Why should football players have to pay it back? They are practically the only kids at the school making the school money.
I will tell you why! Opinions are like A$$holes....everyone has one! Everyone who comes here has an opinion and is free to share them. Doesn't mean were are correct or have the best solutions, it is just an opinion....nothing more!
Penn State is going down hill, things are progressing in the wrong direction and so is college football....IMO!! A lot of us are getting frustrated and want to see some meaningful changes. Regardless of what you agree with or not, college football needs a change or it will eventually fizzle out and the $$$ will stop coming in....IMO. Penn State just had there worse two year stretch in history after coming off a 10-2 season. I don't know about you, but that is a problem in Happy Valley!!! IMO! I have to question the amount of Opt outs and coaches leaving the past 4 weeks. JF can say what he wants, but there is more to the story line than he is willing to to tell people....IMO!
GO STATE!
I will tell you why! Opinions are like A$$holes....everyone has one! Everyone who comes here has an opinion and is free to share them. Doesn't mean were are correct or have the best solutions, it is just an opinion....nothing more!
Penn State is going down hill, things are progressing in the wrong direction and so is college football....IMO!! A lot of us are getting frustrated and want to see some meaningful changes. Regardless of what you agree with or not, college football needs a change or it will eventually fizzle out and the $$$ will stop coming in....IMO. Penn State just had there worse two year stretch in history after coming off a 10-2 season. I don't know about you, but that is a problem in Happy Valley!!! IMO! I have to question the amount of Opt outs and coaches leaving the past 4 weeks. JF can say what he wants, but there is more to the story line than he is willing to to tell people....IMO!
GO STATE!
TIME to watch Division III football.
Money is destroying college football including our team. The people that were entrusted with protecting the sport failed it miserably. I'm talking about the NCAA, coaches, college administrators (in our case read BOT), the media (read ESPIN at the head of the pack) and stupid legislators who supported the NIL fiasco. Some people are ok with what has been happening, but I'm not. I'm one of the A$$holes Mt Nittany referred to above. I don't expect everyone to agree. I'm just stating my opinion to get it off my chest. You'll notice, I don't blame the players. They don't know better. They're like kids in a candy store! NIL, portal, opt-out, decommit, etc, etc. So much to distract them! Unfortunately, the glory days are gone and they ain't coming back.
I will toss my nickel into this discussion...I don't blame any kid for sitting out a meaningless bowl game who has reason to believe he is going to be a high NFL draft pick...Why should that kid play in a meaningless game and risk blowing out a knee or worse and costing himself millions of dollars? The kid is far better served to sign his contract, make his millions and hopefully give back to the school in some way...As far as the playoff system is concerned to me the answer is a very simple one...You play it out just like they do in EVERY other division in college football...16 team playoff with seeds 1 thru 8 hosting the first round and then the highest seed host the next round til you get the finals which is played at a neutral site...If you can play semi final games in Montana and North Dakota in late December in the other divisions then I am sure it will be fine to play games at State College, Ann Arbor or Madison...As far as coaches opting out and moving around that has been going on for the last 50 years...Coaches come and go but the only change in today's system is now the kid can transfer out too and why shouldn't they have that ability? A coach recruits a kid and the kid commits to the school...The next year the coach that recruited the kid leaves and now the kid is stuck in that program for 3 or 4 more years if he is redshirted without the coaches that recruited him? Kids for the most part choose their school based on the coach or coaches that recruit them to be a part of that football program...As far as the Penn State program is concerned there may be a problem and there may not be...Only the people on the inside and in the room know that for sure but as far as the coaches leaving all but the recent special teams coach defecting it was all for better level coaching positions and the special teams coach and his wife are from Oregon so I can understand the guy wanting to move closer to home...This stuff isn't always black and white and these people are human beings...I honestly think much of the money stuff you are seeing today has always been there but now it is just out in the open rather than being done nefariously through boosters...I am shocked that the whole sneaker scandal in NCAA basketball was basically swept under the rug...You had almost every major college basketball program in the country involved with Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Kentucky & Arizona in the forefront of this thing and basically NOTHING has happened other than some lower level coaches became sacrificial lambs to protect the coach K's of the world...Don't be fooled by the scholar athlete garbage they spew...This is big business and it is an ugly business at that...
I only can have an opinion about football because all the other stuff is way above my head but I do see a problem with the Penn St football team and it’s James Franklin. When you’re Penn St and losing to Illinois, Indiana, Maryland, Minnesota, Kentucky, Iowa and Arkansas you definitely have problems and the coach needs to be held accountable and he gets a 10 year deal. It’s unacceptable..period, there is no excuse considering he’s been here 8 years. Utah give Ohio St all they wanted but Ohio St found a way to win the stinking game. Teams will fight teams like Ohio St and they’ll fight hard but find a way to win. Y’all look at them teams that been beating us and Illinois beat us with a backup QB and RB in OT in our house, that’s a big problem and like y’all heard me say many times, this chit usually gets worse. 11-11 last 2 season smh
My father used to take me to Penn State games back in the late 60's and early 70's. We did the standing room only thing around the track and that is when I became a Penn State fan. Our neighbor was a QB for Penn State his Sr year and then was an assistant for a year or two while he went through grad school. He used to take me and my neighbor over to practices and we got to collect some chin straps from some of the players....I still have Franco's. Outside of Penn State games, I really didn't follow College ball too much, I was a Raiders fan, loved watching them play and loved watching NFL on Sundays. But as I got older, I spent less time watching the NFL and almost completely switched to College football. The last 20 years I rarely watched the NFL, mostly Monday night football while I did paperwork at night. I would catch the Raiders vs Chief's game on Sundays and always watched the Post Season games.
I watched more NFL this year than I have watched college football. Other than going to Penn State games on Saturdays, I would listen to the other games on the radio while driving home. I barely watched much of the two playoff games this year, thought they were pretty lame. I did watch some of the bigger games in college this year, but I was not glued to the TV like I used to be.
For me, I feel the NFL has more to offer now. You have stories like Brady last year, Big Ben taking the final curtain call Monday night, quite a few Penn State guys making an impact ( for us Penn State fans ) just to name only a few things today. And then when you add in the talent of the NFL, some of the great plays made week in and week out....college football is quickly becoming a ho hum Saturday afternoon and evening. I am one that adapts very well to change. But the change in college football the past several years is not enhancing my interest at all. I honestly feel the weekly story lines this year was more about the coaches and players transferring than it was about the teams!
Maybe I am the only one here that feels this way, but I see a decline in the excitement that we used to get out of Saturday college football!
GO STATE!
@roaminglion My point was why do you want to treat college football players differently than everyone else at the school?
Wasn't there a player from Northwestern a few years back lobbying for a union under the argument that players are in fact "employees" of the school? So ya, using their very own argument maybe they should pay back tuition when they opt out. I don't know where all this went but if this is where its going then players should be treated differently, can't have it both ways.
"A regional director of the National Labor Relations Board ruled that football players at Northwestern University are considered employees of the school and are therefore entitled to organize a union. Those players are the first to seek union representation."
I don’t get tired of Penn St football I was pulling for ‘em to win last Saturday just as much as any other game. I’m frustrated about the losses and I’m very frustrated with James Franklin but I still love Penn St football regardless and I’ll always wants to get the win baby. Nothing in sports comes before Penn St football in ole southern eyes brother!
