@southern-psu-fan Not even, say, coed pudding wrestling?
Change will occur when people stop watching...I haven't watched this sham playoff for a few years and it seems like more and more people are seeing it my way as viewership is way down from last year and last year was down from the year prior...Money or lack thereof precipitates change...Hence the urgency in the meetings regarding the college football playoff format...Again I don't get it and I don't understand all the handwringing going on over this playoff system...This should take a total of 5 minutes to straighten out...You start off with 16 teams...Seed them 1 thru 16...Seeds 1 thru 8 host seeds 16 thru 9...Winners play with the top 4 seeds hosting the lower 4 seeds...Winners play with top 2 seeds hosting lower 2 seeds...Finals played at a neutral site....There ya go boys and girls and children of all ages...That's your playoff...Oh yeah...That's the same format they use in every other division in NCAA football playoffs...Why are we reinventing a wheel that has been used for years in every other college football division?
@the-funeral-director I understand what you are saying FD but look at the money the ncaa big dawg college football brings in. All the bowl game keep other team relevant and light just don’t shine on 8 or 16 teams. Y’all got the teams y’all wanted in when Cincinnati got in. I wanted Ohio St in but I’m good with it I just thought Ohio St would be tougher competition but that’s just my opinion. Who are you pulling for Georgia or Alabama 😂 I’m just messing with you buddy lol
No offense but the viewership was at an all time low for the bowl games this season...These bowl games are nothing but a money syphoning enterprise to big money bowl committees...They would make far more money doing a 16 team playoff like everybody else does...Even the CFP viewership is at an all time low...Nobody is interested the way this thing is in it's current format...It's a farce...Why is this division different than all the other divisions in college football? 16 teams seeded 1 through 16...Seeds 1 through 8 host seeds 16 through 9...Winners have top 4 seeds host the lower 4 seeds...Winners have top 2 seeds host lower 2 seeds and championship at a neutral site...Very simple...no excuses...Let these southern teams come north to play rather than the northern teams traveling to their back yards for what is really a home game for the teams from the southeast...EVERY other division does it this way...There is no excuse nor reason for the top division to do it any other way...As far as I am concerned til they do a 16 team playoff like they do in the rest of college football this thing is nothing but a farce...I won't be watching and haven't watched this farce for 5 years...It's a joke
P.S. I didn't get the 4 teams I wanted in...As a matter of fact I won't even legitimize this farce by saying picking any 4 teams makes it right or even honest competition...I want a 16 team playoff like they do in every other division in college football and until they adopt this format I won't be watching...It's a farce...
@the-funeral-director my bad FD I thought you wanted Michigan and Cincinnati in.
@roaminglion My point was why do you want to treat college football players differently than everyone else at the school?
Wasn't there a player from Northwestern a few years back lobbying for a union under the argument that players are in fact "employees" of the school? So ya, using their very own argument maybe they should pay back tuition when they opt out. I don't know where all this went but if this is where its going then players should be treated differently, can't have it both ways.
"A regional director of the National Labor Relations Board ruled that football players at Northwestern University are considered employees of the school and are therefore entitled to organize a union. Those players are the first to seek union representation."
I wouldn't call a few players at 1 school a good representation of everyone.
No offense but the viewership was at an all time low for the bowl games this season...These bowl games are nothing but a money syphoning enterprise to big money bowl committees...They would make far more money doing a 16 team playoff like everybody else does...Even the CFP viewership is at an all time low...Nobody is interested the way this thing is in it's current format...It's a farce...Why is this division different than all the other divisions in college football? 16 teams seeded 1 through 16...Seeds 1 through 8 host seeds 16 through 9...Winners have top 4 seeds host the lower 4 seeds...Winners have top 2 seeds host lower 2 seeds and championship at a neutral site...Very simple...no excuses...Let these southern teams come north to play rather than the northern teams traveling to their back yards for what is really a home game for the teams from the southeast...EVERY other division does it this way...There is no excuse nor reason for the top division to do it any other way...As far as I am concerned til they do a 16 team playoff like they do in the rest of college football this thing is nothing but a farce...I won't be watching and haven't watched this farce for 5 years...It's a joke
I'm sorry but I can't take any of what you said seriously when you state viewership is at an "all time low". It's not. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
New Year’s Six Bowls Up 15 Percent Over 2020.
Non-Semifinal NY6 Bowls up 47% from 2020 and up 9% from 2019
Third highest ratings for the NY6 Bowls on Record since the CFP started.
Most of the other bowl games TV ratings were higher than Pre-COVID ratings in 2019 also.
Where did you get your info?
I just read an article stating that viewership for Friday's semi final game was down significantly from last year...I am going to try to locate it and post the link...Also stated that bowl viewership for this year was down...I haven't seen one article stating viewership was up...I am going to find the article and post the link...
It appears the other bowl games were up but the CFP was down...However the numbers for the 2020/2021 bowl season were down from 2019/2020...So there ya have it...
@roaminglion My point was why do you want to treat college football players differently than everyone else at the school?
Wasn't there a player from Northwestern a few years back lobbying for a union under the argument that players are in fact "employees" of the school? So ya, using their very own argument maybe they should pay back tuition when they opt out. I don't know where all this went but if this is where its going then players should be treated differently, can't have it both ways.
"A regional director of the National Labor Relations Board ruled that football players at Northwestern University are considered employees of the school and are therefore entitled to organize a union. Those players are the first to seek union representation."
I wouldn't call a few players at 1 school a good representation of everyone.
At the moment scholarships aren't being refunded by anyone. The current landscape is quite different than 5 years ago, NIL's, players opting out, transfer portal. If this is the direction of college sports (unionization or otherwise) then its a business relationship and should be contractual. For the record I'm glad to see athletes get what they deserve but I think fans deserve more than what they are currently getting.
It appears the other bowl games were up but the CFP was down...However the numbers for the 2020/2021 bowl season were down from 2019/2020...So there ya have it...
Did those articles even mention the CFP games were on New Year's Eve? Which routinely sees lower ratings? 2015 was the last time the semis were on NYE and the ratings were the same
@roaminglion My point was why do you want to treat college football players differently than everyone else at the school?
Wasn't there a player from Northwestern a few years back lobbying for a union under the argument that players are in fact "employees" of the school? So ya, using their very own argument maybe they should pay back tuition when they opt out. I don't know where all this went but if this is where its going then players should be treated differently, can't have it both ways.
"A regional director of the National Labor Relations Board ruled that football players at Northwestern University are considered employees of the school and are therefore entitled to organize a union. Those players are the first to seek union representation."
I wouldn't call a few players at 1 school a good representation of everyone.
At the moment scholarships aren't being refunded by anyone. The current landscape is quite different than 5 years ago, NIL's, players opting out, transfer portal. If this is the direction of college sports (unionization or otherwise) then its a business relationship and should be contractual. For the record I'm glad to see athletes get what they deserve but I think fans deserve more than what they are currently getting.
They shouldn't be refunded, and here is why:
1. They received a scholarship to pay for the academic term's tuition, which is over before any bowl games are played. They fulfilled their requirements for that term. Bowl games are "extra", and not guaranteed. Many teams don't even go to a bowl game.
2. There is a clause in most financial aid agreements that state why a team can terminate a scholarship. Sitting out one game is not on that list. Sure, you could make them leave the team and roster if that is the hill they want to die on, but good luck getting any recruit to come to your school if they see how that goes down.
@roaminglion Of course, and that is how it stands now but what's next? Who ever saw any of this coming 5 years ago? When you competed, did you or any of your mates ever think about "opting out"? I'm guessing you competed every day to the best of your ability because it was the right thing to do while earning your scholarship. I'm just saying, maybe there should be an opt out clause in the terms, I'll bet no one ever had to think about it 5 few years ago..... but you are right, it will never happen. As for treating other students the same as athletes, merit scholars that leave or transfer don't sell stadium tickets, tv revenue and don't risk revenue stream.
The headline for one of them used that excuse...I can tell you I won't be watching and most of the folks I know won't be watching either...Here in New York there is very little interest in this game...I haven't watched this farce in a few years now...Until they change the format I won't be watching...For the first time in years I didn't even watch a bowl game...I caught a bit of the first half of the Penn State game and saw the same ole nonsense and ended up building a fire and playing call of duty...I am wondering when this division will join the rest of the divisions in college football with the 16 team playoff format...seeded 1 thru 16...1 thru 8 host teams 16 thru 9 and so on til you play a national championship at a neutral site...What do these idiots need meetings for? The system is already in place in every other division in college football...The template is there...Just implement it...
@roaminglion Of course, and that is how it stands now but what's next? Who ever saw any of this coming 5 years ago? When you competed, did you or any of your mates ever think about "opting out"? I'm guessing you competed every day to the best of your ability because it was the right thing to do while earning your scholarship. I'm just saying, maybe there should be an opt out clause in the terms, I'll bet no one ever had to think about it 5 few years ago..... but you are right, it will never happen. As for treating other students the same as athletes, merit scholars that leave or transfer don't sell stadium tickets, tv revenue and don't risk revenue stream.
Merit scholars make no money for the University, and football players do... therefore players should have harsher consequences to protect the University? From what, all the money they already made them?
No offense but the viewership was at an all time low for the bowl games this season...These bowl games are nothing but a money syphoning enterprise to big money bowl committees...They would make far more money doing a 16 team playoff like everybody else does...Even the CFP viewership is at an all time low...Nobody is interested the way this thing is in it's current format...It's a farce...Why is this division different than all the other divisions in college football? 16 teams seeded 1 through 16...Seeds 1 through 8 host seeds 16 through 9...Winners have top 4 seeds host the lower 4 seeds...Winners have top 2 seeds host lower 2 seeds and championship at a neutral site...Very simple...no excuses...Let these southern teams come north to play rather than the northern teams traveling to their back yards for what is really a home game for the teams from the southeast...EVERY other division does it this way...There is no excuse nor reason for the top division to do it any other way...As far as I am concerned til they do a 16 team playoff like they do in the rest of college football this thing is nothing but a farce...I won't be watching and haven't watched this farce for 5 years...It's a joke
I'm sorry but I can't take any of what you said seriously when you state viewership is at an "all time low". It's not. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
New Year’s Six Bowls Up 15 Percent Over 2020.
Non-Semifinal NY6 Bowls up 47% from 2020 and up 9% from 2019
Third highest ratings for the NY6 Bowls on Record since the CFP started.
Most of the other bowl games TV ratings were higher than Pre-COVID ratings in 2019 also.
Where did you get your info?
I think we are comparing apples to oranges. We have precovid, covid, and almost post covid. I think it is going to be some time until the impact of “The New Normal” of college football is is felt.
@roaminglion As the landscape changes, and surely it is, it's abundantly clear that the entire player/school relationship is a business relationshlip. NIL's, pocket money and transfer portal are what they are. In my mind when a player opts out in a season (first to last game), that player has not fullfilled their end of the relationship and thus should be paid back. Merit scholars are expected and required to keep a GPA lest they lose it the following semester. I understand extenuating circumstances but when a student accepts a scholarship and flunks out, it keeps it from a qualified student. And btw, do merit scholars really opt out during a semester? I guess we will have to what else happens and see how it plays out.
@roaminglion As the landscape changes, and surely it is, it's abundantly clear that the entire player/school relationship is a business relationshlip. NIL's, pocket money and transfer portal are what they are. In my mind when a player opts out in a season (first to last game), that player has not fullfilled their end of the relationship and thus should be paid back. Merit scholars are expected and required to keep a GPA lest they lose it the following semester. I understand extenuating circumstances but when a student accepts a scholarship and flunks out, it keeps it from a qualified student. And btw, do merit scholars really opt out during a semester? I guess we will have to what else happens and see how it plays out.
Same thing happens to a player, they are expected to keep a GPA as well. They are also mqking money for the University, unlike a merit scholar.
Also, this isnt some rqndom thing. At what workplace do employees have to "pay back" their weekly salary if they leave their job before fulfilling the 1 year contract?
@roaminglion In some cases contractors are paid half up front, allegedly to buy materials then paid in full when the job is done. If the job isn't completed they are taken to court. This just happened here by a siding company. Maybe the growing trend is for individual contractors playing college football. In the end this whole conversation is me speculating what things could look like in an emerging new college landscape, not what it will look like. I for one could have never foreseen transfer portals, NIL's, opting out and freedom to unionize. Who knows?
Roam, where the heck are you? I'm ready to concede and waiting for your last word...you gotta do it! It's fun jawing with you and (sadly for me) your arguments make way too much sense. You're not as good as my wife though, when she gets done I feel like I have to say 3 Hail Marys and an Our Father. Since it likely we will never meet in person, I will toast you with a Great Lakes Commodore Perry IPA once you've responded.
