So I've been told, separation of high school playoffs is slowly diminishing . Charter schools are considered public, therefore they would need separate playoffs for Charter, catholic and public. Always felt this is beating a horse.
So I've been told, separation of high school playoffs is slowly diminishing . Charter schools are considered public, therefore they would need separate playoffs for Charter, catholic and public. Always felt this is beating a horse.
Charters are not considered public schools...
There's actually a bill for public and private schools to have separate PIAA tournaments in basketball... charter schools would be in the private school tournament under the bill. But according to you "they are considered public schools". Nice one, LMAO
So I've been told, separation of high school playoffs is slowly diminishing . Charter schools are considered public, therefore they would need separate playoffs for Charter, catholic and public. Always felt this is beating a horse.
Charters are not considered public schools...
There's actually a bill for public and private schools to have separate PIAA tournaments in basketball... charter schools would be in the private school tournament under the bill. But according to you "they are considered public schools". Nice one, LMAO
Actually charters are considered public schools. They are funded by tax payer money. There isn’t a bill for separation of playoffs. Conklin and one other have introduced legislation but it hasn’t gone any further than that. There is a proposal to reverse the 1972 law that the PIAA is interepretting as they must include all schools, though even if it gets introduced as a bill and somehow miraculously passes won’t change anything because the fight is boundary vs nonboundary. There can be not true definition of non boundary because many public schools allow tuition students in their district much like “private” schools. Schools also allow exchange students to play sports which technically is the same as having kids move in. The forum moron is wrong as the fight to separate is still strong, so whatever she heard in the local coal dust hole is wrong. We have asked the group fighting for separation to let new transfer rules play out as they are working. She is also wrong about needing three separate playoffs as that has never been discussed.
So I've been told, separation of high school playoffs is slowly diminishing . Charter schools are considered public, therefore they would need separate playoffs for Charter, catholic and public. Always felt this is beating a horse.
Charters are not considered public schools...
There's actually a bill for public and private schools to have separate PIAA tournaments in basketball... charter schools would be in the private school tournament under the bill. But according to you "they are considered public schools". Nice one, LMAO
Actually charters are considered public schools. They are funded by tax payer money. There isn’t a bill for separation of playoffs. Conklin and one other have introduced legislation but it hasn’t gone any further than that. There is a proposal to reverse the 1972 law that the PIAA is interepretting as they must include all schools, though even if it gets introduced as a bill and somehow miraculously passes won’t change anything because the fight is boundary vs nonboundary. There can be not true definition of non boundary because many public schools allow tuition students in their district much like “private” schools. Schools also allow exchange students to play sports which technically is the same as having kids move in. The forum moron is wrong as the fight to separate is still strong, so whatever she heard in the local coal dust hole is wrong. We have asked the group fighting for separation to let new transfer rules play out as they are working. She is also wrong about needing three separate playoffs as that has never been discussed.
Receiving public funding doesn't make you a public school. Public schools allow anyone to go, Charters do not.
I meant there's a bill that has been introduced, not that it's been approved... obviously since the playoffs aren't separate yet, but I should have been more clear.
However, Charter schools are not public schools. Receiving public funding doesn't make you a public school as many private schools also recieve some public funding (through subsidies) for various reasons. Charters are allowed to deny any kid entrance to their school if they want, while public schools provide everyone in their district and education... they cannot deny attendence except in extreme cases.
This is the myth of Charter schools, that they are "public". Public schools are run by the state, not by a board of directors. I'm talking K-12 not higher education where the process is completely different. Charter schools also raise funds outside of federal, state, and local funding. I know certain people want to call Charter schools "public", mostly for political reasons... but it is just flat out ridiculous. Many charter schools are even for profit, which just makes calling them public even more laughable.
A good article on Charters being called "public" schools... Basically, it's like calling soy milk, "milk". It's not really milk, but there's technically no law that says you can't call it milk. LMAO.
You are incorrect roam. They are public schools according to the state and federal givernment. Charters are also not being considered in the separation talk in PA. They don’t charge students like parochial schools do thereby can’t offer kids “incentives” to attend their schools. They are publicly funded by the district in which they lie. They are subject to the same testing. They are public schools. Your link is an opinion piece.
The bill has not made it to the floor, it hasn’t received any co-sponsors and is pretty much dead and again it isn’t for separation. This is my field, I’ve been to all the meetings and press conferences, I’ve done research for both PIAA and psfca. I helped arrange the press conference he gave at PSU to introduce his legislation.
They’re public schools that are heavily funded by public money, not hidden subsidies or grants. https://edreform.com/2011/09/how-are-charter-schools-funded/
Murray, glad you can Express your opinions. You can call people names all you want. Reflects on your character, not mine. Truth is, you don't know everything and you don't know all the details. Just so you know, most of this PIAA debate is all smoke and mirrors. I know someone, state worker that has more information than you. Right now, this is on the bottom of the pile. Legislation has more important things to worry about other than who wins the states and where kids go to school. I can tell right now that this will most likely backfire.
Roam, you know better. Don't indulge your time arguing with him.
Murray, glad you can Express your opinions. You can call people names all you want. Reflects on your character, not mine. Truth is, you don't know everything and you don't know all the details. Just so you know, most of this PIAA debate is all smoke and mirrors. I know someone, state worker that has more information than you. Right now, this is on the bottom of the pile. Legislation has more important things to worry about other than who wins the states and where kids go to school. I can tell right now that this will most likely backfire.
haven't seen you at the press conferences or work shops. and you're wrong, I DO know all the details. This isn't smoke and mirrors. It's real. You know a state worker? LOL!!! I know it causes you extreme pain that I do what I do for a living. I also know you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. See you at the next PIAA meeting? I'll be there, folder in hand.
Yeah ok, Murray, lol.
Murray, glad you can Express your opinions. You can call people names all you want. Reflects on your character, not mine. Truth is, you don't know everything and you don't know all the details. Just so you know, most of this PIAA debate is all smoke and mirrors. I know someone, state worker that has more information than you. Right now, this is on the bottom of the pile. Legislation has more important things to worry about other than who wins the states and where kids go to school. I can tell right now that this will most likely backfire.
haven't seen you at the press conferences or work shops. and you're wrong, I DO know all the details. This isn't smoke and mirrors. It's real. You know a state worker? LOL!!! I know it causes you extreme pain that I do what I do for a living. I also know you don't have a clue as to what you're talking about. See you at the next PIAA meeting? I'll be there, folder in hand.
Lmao! You can't fool everyone. Walk around with your stupid folder and continue to do your research and not be paid a dime. Foolish
Believe me , it doesn't cause me pain. I never brag what I do for a living and what I do in my spare time.
You are incorrect roam. They are public schools according to the state and federal givernment. Charters are also not being considered in the separation talk in PA. They don’t charge students like parochial schools do thereby can’t offer kids “incentives” to attend their schools. They are publicly funded by the district in which they lie. They are subject to the same testing. They are public schools. Your link is an opinion piece.
The bill has not made it to the floor, it hasn’t received any co-sponsors and is pretty much dead and again it isn’t for separation. This is my field, I’ve been to all the meetings and press conferences, I’ve done research for both PIAA and psfca. I helped arrange the press conference he gave at PSU to introduce his legislation.
They’re public schools that are heavily funded by public money, not hidden subsidies or grants. https://edreform.com/2011/09/how-are-charter-schools-funded/
Sorry, but incorrect. Charters are not subject to the same rules by the state. In fact, Charter schools in PA receive an automatic waiver from most state and school district laws. They do take some of the same overall standardized test, but many other testing and/or requirements of public schools are not imposed upon Charters.
Each Charter is independently run and can choose, or not choose, to fund and test their kids the same way public schools do. Some do, many do not. Charters can solely fund through the district if they choose, and they can also be a for profit entity if they choose. They are not bound to fund from local funds only.
Your link is to an advocacy group for Charter schools, not surprising they would paint Charter schools as "Public".
Also, I have a PhD in an educational field... so this IS my field. Yes, my link was an opinion piece, I used it because it backs up the opinion stated with many facts. However, here is a definitive link for you to a ruling by The National Labor Relations Board (Division of Federal Government) in 2016 that unequivocally states Charters are private corporations by labor law, not public schools.
No matter what anyone wants to call them... by law they are not public schools. There are other rulings by the federal government that show this as well, such as in 2010 when the federal courts ruled they are not "state actors". Semantics? Possibly. Will the NLRB's stance change on Charters? I am sure Betsy DeVos has been trying for 2 or more years to get them to overturn that decision, because it is what she does. She's a charter champion, regardless of actual facts.
...but I digress...
We're dancing on the head of a pin here, but in my world it is a VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
To your point though Bill, although I am not certain but PA may be one of the states that calls Charters public schools. In that, you may be right but as stated I am not familiar with the PA law in that regard.
However, it actually doesn't matter how the state designates them because the federal government has ruled they aren't public. This is actually what I referenced when taking about the 2010 court decision. Basically... The federal courts told the state of Arizona that just because you say they are public, that doesn't make them public.
LMAO. Complicated subject I know
In PA, they are public schools and seen as so by the PIAA.
Last post... Forum Titan, Murray and I are just having a disagreement... it happens with adults. He expresses his thoughts on a subject and I express mine. It is how grown-ups talk, if you disagree with someone you're allowed to speak up.
At no point have I or Bill been nasty or condescending to each other. We simply differ in our viewpoint.
He thinks Charters are public, I don't. In my latest post I cited a federal agency's ruling regarding their jurisdiction, and pointed out federal rulings that show Charters are not considered public by the federal government. He is well within his rights to disagree, I mean... some states disagree too 😂 (I will take Bill's word for it above that PA does consider them public, however crazy I and the Fed find that notion 😂)
Disagreement is all it is. I just know that, from working with ADs, PIAA, PSFCA and PSADA that in PA, Charters are considered public schools. They must be approved by the school board of the district in which they wish to exist as a brick and mortar and cyber charters must be approved by the state.
I know here in State college the school board recently shut one down for poor performance.
Disagreement is all it is. I just know that, from working with ADs, PIAA, PSFCA and PSADA that in PA, Charters are considered public schools. They must be approved by the school board of the district in which they wish to exist as a brick and mortar and cyber charters must be approved by the state.
I know here in State college the school board recently shut one down for poor performance.
Exactly, just a disagreement. It's funny how others try to interject some sort of negative slant to it saying that one of us is a "know it all".
I swear, this country (of course this is a generalization) is losing it's ability to calmly debate issues. It's like some think any sort of retort that consists of any alterior viewpoint is agressive or mean spirited. I don't get it
