Yes the O-Line sucked, but not utilizing FB also sucked. Let the RB's get a head of steam running from the I with a FB lead blocking for him, throw in a good TE block, and yards can be had!
Oh give me a fullback & QB under center!
@the-funeral-director we have 6 four star recruits on the OL on the team,you telling me all of ‘em are overrated and suck? That means 247 sports recruiting,rivals, scouts, James Franklin, Matt Limegrover and the OL coach we have now all got it wrong? I ain’t buying it. The RB’s are below Penn St standards they are slow and can’t run over anybody. Lee could be good if he would run straight ahead but he’s still not the RB we’re use to at Penn st
Oh come on Southern, Can you really with the straight face say we have 6 4 star offensive line recruits so it can't be the recruiting... But constantly rail about the running backs not being "psu material" when we've literally recruited many 5 and 4 star and recruits at that position over the past 3 years?
You can't have it both ways you can't say it's not recruiting because we have a bunch of stars on the offensive line, and turn around and say the running backs suck when every single running back we have is a 4 or 5 star guy.
@roaminglion I said I believe Lee could be a good RB if he would run straight ahead and Cain has been hurt most of his time at Penn St. I believe it’s a combination of both. We’ve both already dug our feet in on who we think the problem is. We have a lot more OL that’s fighting to play than RB’s so imo it’s the OL coach that’s the problem but the RB’s don’t help him out either. Like I said, when you’re winning 11 games and going to big daddy bowl games and winning’em you don’t turn the offense upside down and fire the OL coach that was getting the OL better like James Franklin did because it has bit him in the ass baby and he knows it. Roam, you watch what I watch, they are lost and don’t know what to do and it wasn’t this bad and you know it. I don’t care who the coaches are as long as we are winning. We got beat by a backup QB and RB against Illinois because we couldn’t get 2 yards and has several times to do it. You did not see this under Limegrover’s OL. I know your guy is trying his best but James Franklin fudged up brother and Penn St football is paying the price. You dang straight baby I believe the OL coach is that important and when you’re winning 11 games out of 13 you better know exactly what you are doing when you fire somebody.
Yeah I think it's all BS nonsense that somehow a OL coach comes in and all the guys who have been coached for 3 years by the other guy suddenly forget how to block. Sure.
Zero recruits for the interior line. None. Zip. Zilch. They all suck. You can think it's the OL coach all you want, but you're wrong. BC had a great line, and now you want me to believe that a guy who had a really good OL at his previous location forgot how to coach here? Maybe... just maybe... the guys who were left over SUCKED.
Name one guy Limegrover recruited at guard or center that has turned into anything. I'll wait. Yes, Limegrover was a good OL coach. BUT HIS RECRUITING SUCKED. When the new guy has to get a portal transfer from Harvard, move a guy over to play a position he's never played before, and get a guy off of a 2 year injury to play the line... YOU LEFT THE CUPBOARD BARE.
@roaminglion 247 sports recruiting in the 2018 and 2019 class has the guys we got as big time studs Roam. The 5 or 6 I looked at were like in the top 100 players in the country. The 2020 class are all 3* but 2018-19 are studs 4* I’m sorry but I ain’t buying all of these top 100 players suck. I might give ya one being a bust but not all of ‘em. Go check out 247 sports recruiting and you’ll see what I see. I’m assuming it’s a good recruiting site it’s the one everybody tells me to look at.
Yeah I think it's all BS nonsense that somehow a OL coach comes in and all the guys who have been coached for 3 years by the other guy suddenly forget how to block. Sure.
Zero recruits for the interior line. None. Zip. Zilch. They all suck. You can think it's the OL coach all you want, but you're wrong. BC had a great line, and now you want me to believe that a guy who had a really good OL at his previous location forgot how to coach here? Maybe... just maybe... the guys who were left over SUCKED.
Name one guy Limegrover recruited at guard or center that has turned into anything. I'll wait. Yes, Limegrover was a good OL coach. BUT HIS RECRUITING SUCKED. When the new guy has to get a portal transfer from Harvard, move a guy over to play a position he's never played before, and get a guy off of a 2 year injury to play the line... YOU LEFT THE CUPBOARD BARE.
AND! Seider as running backs coach didn’t do a great job preparing his guys 🙂 Had to do it.
@roaminglion 247 sports recruiting in the 2018 and 2019 class has the guys we got as big time studs Roam. The 5 or 6 I looked at were like in the top 100 players in the country. The 2020 class are all 3* but 2018-19 are studs 4* I’m sorry but I ain’t buying all of these top 100 players suck. I might give ya one being a bust but not all of ‘em. Go check out 247 sports recruiting and you’ll see what I see. I’m assuming it’s a good recruiting site it’s the one everybody tells me to look at.
I have no idea what you're looking at because we didn't get those OL recruits like you say. In 2018 the top OL recruit is Nana Asiedu... who never joined the team. So who cares what his stars were. He's not on the team. Juice Scruggs isn't good.
Caedan Wallace in 2019 is a tackle, I've repeatedly said our interior line sucks. Tackles are not interior lineman just like Whigan is also a tackle from the 2019 class.
You are just looking at a website with zero context behind it. Some of the guys you see on the recruiting page never even played for the Lions.
The bottom line is look at the tape...I don't give a flying rip if these kids were 3*, 4*, 5* or all galaxy from some recruiting site...The Center and 2 Guards on the Penn State OLine were nothing short of human turnstiles...These guys couldn't block a lawn chair...I am not saying the tackles were anything to write home about either cause they weren't very good...This is an issue and needs to be fixed...The TE's need to improve their blocking as well...They missed assignments regularly as well...The TE's were always late getting to their blocks or just blew the assignment altogether...Penn State will never be a contender for anything until they get this fixed...Franklin and his staff better be out on the recruitment trail courting every Offensive Line prospect out there and offering every one of them...They need to bring in 15 to 20 lineman and figure out of that group they may find 5 that can play...In my opinion it has reached a crisis point within this program...
You know you have a problem when it's 3rd and 1 and you are throwing the ball cause you can't get a yard on the ground...Winning teams all have the ability to run the ball down your throat when you have a 3rd and 2 with the game on the line...This team hasn't been able to do that in a long time...That needs to change or this program will always be a 2nd tier entity...
Then the only thing I can do is look at what we’ve got on the team then and that’s quite a few 4* OL so I’m guessing Penn St is the only team out there that can’t develop 4* OL because Georgia, Alabama, Ohio st, Michigan, Clemson ain’t having a problem with it so y’all trying to tell me we can’t and the stars don’t mean anything because they may have been recruited by another OL coach that’s been gone 2 years. Stars matter FD they just don’t at Penn St I guess. Something is wrong and I ain’t buying it was a coach fired 2 years ago that turned Giai a DT that most people called garbage because he was blocking his own man into a all big 20 center. We had 398 yards rushing Limegrover’s last game against Memphis in the cotton bowl for gods sakes now we can’t get 2 yards against Illinois in OT with a backup QB and RB. What y’all say does not make any since to me. Come on man.
Maybe it’s the OC’s because I don’t see how it can be 20 bad OLinemen. I’m not buying for one second we’ve recruited 20 bad OLinemen don’t know body suck that bad especially with the stars some of these kids have
As I said I don't think it's a coincidence that the running back from Baylor averaged 6 yds per carry there and only 3 yds per carry here
Coaching strategies certainly impact outcomes. Additionally, the skill level of the athletes also has a huge influence. Winners don’t rely on chance.
@sky well the big 12 ain’t never been known for defense so 6 ypc in the big 12 is probably 3 YPC in the big 10. The big 10 plays defense. Regardless, it’s all James Franklin fault because he gives the scholarships and he’s hires and fired the assistant coaches and looking at the last 2 years he ain’t done a good job. Hopefully we can get this thing turned around and get started with a win over Arkansas.
@sky well the big 12 ain’t never been known for defense so 6 ypc in the big 12 is probably 3 YPC in the big 10. The big 10 plays defense. Regardless, it’s all James Franklin fault because he gives the scholarships and he’s hires and fired the assistant coaches and looking at the last 2 years he ain’t done a good job. Hopefully we can get this thing turned around and get started with a win over Arkansas.
Yet Trey Sermon transferred from Oklahoma to Ohio State and his ypc went up to 7.5
So that argument is pure garbage.
Some guys also get better with time regardless who the coach is.
There’s always exceptions I’m talking big picture that the big 10 plays better defense than the big 12 so it’s usually harder to run the ball playing against big 10 defenses
Nebraska scored more points vs every Big Ten team they faced... Oklahoma held them to the least amount of points they scored all year.
Another exception I guess. Stop making excuses, the running back from Baylor went down to 3 ypc and it's complete nonsense to say 6 ypc in the Big 12 is the same as 3 ypc in the Big Ten. Stop it.
@roaminglion that was just an expression roam I could care less what he run for at Baylor the only think I know is he’s slow and can’t break a tackle just like the rest of the RB’s we have. All of the RB’s except Lee are only good enough to be backups at Penn St unless you want to go 4-5 and 7-5.
@roaminglion that was just an expression roam I could care less what he run for at Baylor the only think I know is he’s slow and can’t break a tackle just like the rest of the RB’s we have. All of the RB’s except Lee are only good enough to be backups at Penn St unless you want to go 4-5 and 7-5.
Complete nonsense. Somehow all the RBs were good last year, but now they are bums who are all backups. What changed? The answer is the OL lost 3 interior lineman.
