That is so far off base, it be a waste of my time to reply..Suffice to say, the BIG is rife with patsies, terrible conference this yr
AS for last sentence, ND is far from one man..While KNute Rockne may have put the school on the map, Frank Leahy, Ara Parseghian, Lou Holtz, Dan Devine have all won national titles...
You forgot George O’Leary, Ty Willingham, Charlie Weis, and Brian Kelly. Like I said, ND glory is well in the rearview. I’m middle aged and I only remember Holtz. Today’s kids don’t even remember him. Their glory days are decades ago.
Don't forget Jerry Faust and Bob Davie, rah rah!
Also,
I don’t keep up with hockey CT, wrestling and football is my sports
So joining the BIg10 FOR HOCKEY is being a money whore?..Im no hockey buff or any wealth of info on college hockey, but I doubt the ACC even has a hockey conf, or ND be in it..ND hockey was in Hockey East prior to Big 10 membership, and the CCHA for about 20 yrs up to 2012, where it competed against many of these same schools, hockey being a regional sport, i.e., UM, MSU Ohio St, etc etc..I don think the big 10 started conference play till 2014..
As for being a money whore or football independence, c'mon now...all these schools will do what brings in the top dollar..ND is a national brand, national TV contract, national recruiting, fan base etc, etc Why in the world would they give that up, it be equivalent to a national sales company downgrading and "regionalizing" its product, deciding to ship only to midwest, or the east, etc, etc..Right now, it makes zero sense to join a conference for football, zip, zilch, nada..
No they won't give it up as long as everybody keeps kissing their a** and letting them have what they want. The way it is going, they may well end up having more individual sport conference affiliations (except for football) than Nickey has names!
I will say this, getting their butt kicked by Clemson doesn't prove they were bad, because Bama got destroyed by Clemson too.
Clemson man, they weren't getting beat by anyone last year.
Roam, Pentecostal means baptized by the Holy Spirit and baptized by water. I got baptized by water in my early 30’s. We don’t believe in baptizing babies because babies are born perfect but I don’t believe anything is wrong with baptizing a baby if you want to it’s nothing to argue about like some want to do. I never got the arguing with Christian churches because if JESUS is your savior it doesn’t matter if you are baptist, Pentecostal or catholic. I actually think peter was the first pope but I could be wrong lol. You can be Pentecostal being Baptist, Methodist or catholic if you believe being baptized by the Holy Spirit. Hope I explained it right and please let us know when the baby girl is born buddy. Thanks
Exactly right BOB
Its tough to argue with someone whose posts are so ill informed, and full of bias, and hatred, so Im done with you after this
First of all, ND scheduled three traditional powerhouses last yr, UM, Fla ST, USC, not their fault latter two had bad yrs, but still quality athletes on those teams..especially USC, their roster is better than your school..ND beat 4 schools , UM,, Syracuse, Stanford, Northwestern, WHO WON 9-10 GAMES , Not too many schools can say either fact..
George O'Leary never coached a game at ND..To put Brian Kelly in same sentence/class as WEis, Willingham, is just ignorance of the highest order, or hatred Brian Kelly is a good football coach, not a great one like the 5 I mentioned, but a good one, probably a very good one...22-4 last two yrs, two 12-0 regular seasons last 7 yrs...and maybe getting better outlook is very good for the program..
Its tough to find a great coach...(see Alabama between Bryant and Saban, see Okla before Stoops)..Im done with you, you're too easy
Bias goes both ways CT, but thanks for taking the time to try to enlighten us haters.
George O’Leary doesn’t take a backseat to anybody he’s a good coach just go look at all the championship teams he’s been on. When O’Leary left my Jackets for ND that could’ve been one thing that possibly made me pull for ND because he was one of my favorite coaches of all time. Notice I said possibly because I’d had to face that bridge when it got there lol.
Roam is correct, southern...there was bitterness, and perceived anti-Catholic bias going back to the early 1900s between the old Western Conference , the predecessor to the Big 10 conference, and ND.Fielding Yost, Michigan's powerful coach at the time, and one who held considerably sway in the western conference actually threatened other conference members with financial sanctions if they scheduled the 'little Catholic institution", the bitter feud was..long and protracted..While UM helped get ND football on the map by playing them, after the 1909 season they did not play ND until 1942 That short two game series was the last they played until 1978 when the series was finally resumed...
Only a cynic would suggest that perhaps Yost felt threatened by the football emergence of the Catholic institution..
So, generally speaking , yes the alumni hate UM..They wanted no part of joining the big 10, when Jim Delany tried his best in late 1990s....
I see you haven't given up though on your belief that ND should join a conference For the umpteenth time, not happening....
There simply is no good reason for ND to join now; Maybe if some things happen, it could signal a change, but for foreseeable future , not happening..
That is exactly what I'm talking about! Gotta stop kissing their a**. You say "Delaney tried his best in late 1990's" and "they wanted no part of joining the big 10". How do you turn around several years later and let them join for hockey???? The fact that it ain't happening, as you say, is absolutely no reason to give up the belief that they should join a conference. What's fair is fair. If they don't want to go through the rigors of playing a grueling conference schedule and competing for a conference championship, why should they be allowed to waltz into the national championship playoffs? If they don't want to be part of a particular conference for football, why should they be allowed to join for any other sport? IMO the answer to both questions is the same - the powers that be are kissing their a**!!!!
Roam, Pentecostal means baptized by the Holy Spirit and baptized by water. I got baptized by water in my early 30’s. We don’t believe in baptizing babies because babies are born perfect but I don’t believe anything is wrong with baptizing a baby if you want to it’s nothing to argue about like some want to do. I never got the arguing with Christian churches because if JESUS is your savior it doesn’t matter if you are baptist, Pentecostal or catholic. I actually think peter was the first pope but I could be wrong lol. You can be Pentecostal being Baptist, Methodist or catholic if you believe being baptized by the Holy Spirit. Hope I explained it right and please let us know when the baby girl is born buddy. Thanks
Thanks for that explanation Southern. I'm agnostic myself (not atheist), but that doesn't mean I am anti-religion. To the contrary, I have great respect for religious people and religion in general. I grew up Catholic, but fell away from the church for various reasons.
Actually, I know some people who call themselves "Agnostic Catholics"... by which they mean they don't think the existence of God can be proven or disproven, but they have absolute faith that God does exist. They just feel it in their soul. In their words: "some things just can't be shown... they need to simply be believed"
Its tough to argue with someone whose posts are so ill informed, and full of bias, and hatred, so Im done with you after this
First of all, ND scheduled three traditional powerhouses last yr, UM, Fla ST, USC, not their fault latter two had bad yrs, but still quality athletes on those teams..especially USC, their roster is better than your school..ND beat 4 schools , UM,, Syracuse, Stanford, Northwestern, WHO WON 9-10 GAMES , Not too many schools can say either fact..
George O'Leary never coached a game at ND..To put Brian Kelly in same sentence/class as WEis, Willingham, is just ignorance of the highest order, or hatred Brian Kelly is a good football coach, not a great one like the 5 I mentioned, but a good one, probably a very good one...22-4 last two yrs, two 12-0 regular seasons last 7 yrs...and maybe getting better outlook is very good for the program..
Its tough to find a great coach...(see Alabama between Bryant and Saban, see Okla before Stoops)..Im done with you, you're too easy
Actually, you are too easy. You have no evidence to support your opinion. FSU was 5-7, USC was also 5-7. Michigan was a strong opponent. I’ll give you that. You forgot to mention the rest of ND’s schedule: Ball St, Vandy, Wake Forest, VT , Pitt, Navy. Stanford wasn’t their usual self either. It was a weak schedule. If you aren’t going to play in a conference championship game, then you need a tough SOS to make the playoffs. Theirs was weak, as I mentioned before, it was discussed prior to the playoff teams being announced.
I know O’Leary never coached a game at ND. That just adds to the embarrassment of the hiring process at ND. As for Kelly, you want to point out the good years and forget the bad, I guess. You know prior to last year he had the same winning percentage as Ty Willingham, who was run out of town. He’s also the only college coach I have ever seen single out players after a loss and put the blame on them. He did it to Sam Mustipher a few years back. He’s a real gem, but I really hope they keep him around for a long time. I’ll leave this little light reading article here for your enjoyment.
Roam, Pentecostal means baptized by the Holy Spirit and baptized by water. I got baptized by water in my early 30’s. We don’t believe in baptizing babies because babies are born perfect but I don’t believe anything is wrong with baptizing a baby if you want to it’s nothing to argue about like some want to do. I never got the arguing with Christian churches because if JESUS is your savior it doesn’t matter if you are baptist, Pentecostal or catholic. I actually think peter was the first pope but I could be wrong lol. You can be Pentecostal being Baptist, Methodist or catholic if you believe being baptized by the Holy Spirit. Hope I explained it right and please let us know when the baby girl is born buddy. Thanks
Brother,
Do you know what the difference is between a Catholic and a Southern Baptist?????
A Catholic will talk to you in the liquor store!!!!!!!!
While the Baptist and Methodist sneak in the liquor store lol
That says talk I thought it said take lol my bad
I saw this joke recently:
Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"
He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"
He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region."
I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912."
I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.
The three great truths of religion are:
1) Jews do not recognize Jesus Christ as the Messiah.
2) Protestants do not recognize the Pope as the head of the Church.
3) Baptists do not recognize each other in the liquor store on Friday nights.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.indystar.com/amp/95097572
Here’s some more light reading for you Culture. Seems the ND alumni aren’t as warm and fuzzy about Kelly as you are. Yes, last year looked good on paper, but getting throttled in a big bowl game again won’t help his cause. His record at ND in big games is atrocious.
LB99, the Bottom line is ND think they are better than everybody else and they shove it in everybody’s face but who can blame ‘em if chitheads like Jim Delany lets ‘em get away with it. They tell everybody they’ll do what ND wants and if you don’t like it tough chit.....just saying....it is what it is.
Southern, now I understand why you started this thread; ND, two years in Big 10, two years Big champions, a dynasty..3-2 over PSU
Seriously, that was a great game tonight, befitting a championship game..I have no idea how the NCAA tourney bids are handed out, obviously ND is in with the title; I really think PSU deserves in too, very good team, just not sure how tourney stacks up..
I agree, it was a great game. The contrasting styles made it more interesting. Notre Dame likes to play a defensive, puck control game. Penn State likes to play a faster game with lots of shots on goal. The game had long stretches and short bursts of both,
As far as who gets into the tournament, there are 16 slots. Winners of the tournaments from the six conferences are automatic qualifiers. Beyond that, pairwise comparisons are used to rank all the teams in college hockey. The remaining teams for at-large bids are selected based on those rankings. If any of the automatic qualifiers are not ranked in the top 16, then they take slots from the lowest ranked among the top 16. This year, only one of the automatic qualifiers (AIC of Atlantic Hockey) was not ranked in the top 16. Penn State is currently 16. Thus, Penn State is not going to the tournament. If Penn State had won a few more games during the season, Penn State would not be in this situation. Losses against some of the lower ranked teams in the conference (Michigan, Michigan State, and Wisconsin) really hurt. If Notre Dame had lost last night, they would have probably been in the same predicament.
Thanks for the explanation...Ive always enjoyed a good hockey game,college or pro, going back to Flyers two Stanley cups, but for life of me, never understand the rules...I did read yesterday, both teams were on cusp of NCAA, but not being ranked real high, probably only the winner would get in..I didn't realize the selection is so "mechanical" I thought after game, maybe both get in, the game was so exciting and competitive...doesn't sound like much if anything is left to judgment of committee, unlike other sports..
As to the game, although I watched much of the weekend series between ND-PSU, I didn't realize the contrast in styles until last night..The announcers did a good job explaining it, pointing out PSU outshoots everyone, ND more about defense and goaltending..That sure described last nite's game; I thought PSU looked better in first 2 periods, definitely the 2nd period until ND scored with less than two minutes to go..That goal changed complexion of game, as I thought ND owned the 3rd period, going into their defensive mode with the lead.to close it out...Very interesting and entertaining game....
So the ncaa are smart enough to make sure conference champs get into the playoffs in hockey but don’t think football should be done the same way lol. You can’t make this crap up lol
Southern, this is going to sound strange to you, but the FBS Football Championship is not considered an NCAA championship. It never really has been. The process is controlled by the Conferences, Bowls, and the media. If those groups wanted to change it, they would. The NCAA doesn't control those decisions at the FBS level.
Culture, if you are interested in college hockey, two sites that I find very useful are collegehockeynews.com and uscho.com. They have some predictions on the brackets. The final brackets will be announced at 7 pm tonight. I'll warn you that the folks that comment on those sites don't like the B1G schools. They see us as breaking up their regional conferences in 2012 when the B1G began sponsoring hockey. I'd love to see an all B1G championship just to spite them. It might not be possible depending on how the brackets are put together.
