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Tae Beutel
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@roaminglion good point.  I find it interesting that Kentucky hired Stein on December 1st 2025, and Penn State hired Campbell on December 5th.  Kraft may have been a little slow, but I think the early firing of Franklin caused a lot of turmoil on the coaching carousel and resulted in a lot of uncertainty.  Last year felt odd with regard to the number of coaches fired and the number that received mid-term contract extensions.  

I don't think Campbell was a bad choice, and hopefully he gets the program back to being competitive in the Big 10 in 2 or 3 years.  However, I can't see how rushing 3 against an accurate passer or playing the Prevent Defense will lead to success.    



   
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IDK therefore asking, what is the signficant difference bewtween Chesney, Stein, and Campbell prior to their current jobs and how has that translated to the their current success or lack of?

 

 



   
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@psu61 Stein and Chesney didn’t bring half a team with them but I’m not 100% sure on that.



   
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Chesney was successful at JMU, and had them in the CFP. Will Stien was the OC of Oregon, but he's a Kentucky kid and I doubt he was looking anywhere else.

As for Southern saying the kept the teams together and MC didn't... well it's easier to do that when the previous coach isn't taking kids for his new job. UCLA and UK didn't have that problem.



   
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Rushing three may be OK IF you are able to cover but against that QB and those receivers it was not likely to be successful especially when it was obvious pre snap.  I do not think any DC has many levers to pull with the players we have.  USC was able to be balanced and play action was successful.  We will hear the coaches say the proper things but IMO they are making OJ with lemons.  

 

We tolerated some bad years with JoePa and it was with his recruits and established coaches.  We tolerated the nepotism and the 3D High Def offense.  We tolerated the NCAA Sanctions and praised the team that showed up every week and gave it their best.  We tolerated the coaching carousel under JF.  We are a pretty tolerant bunch relative to some others I think.  Isn't that part of our culture?

Did I see Rojas get a possession off on the one TD Drive?

Lavar Jr is not getting any time at DE?

Looking at the roster, we filled 5-10 spots with warm bodies, they are not IMO projects.  There are 'players' from D2 Schools.  We lost a recruiting class which will need filled with Portal players and NIL.  The coaching timeline made it impossible for MC, he was drinking water thru a firehose.  Next year must be better but I expect the schedule is tougher.  The year after that his first recruiting class will still only be Sophomores.

We got 'over our skis' thinking we could recover from the firing of JF and a slow hire.  We could have kept JF and likely made the playoffs.  He'd have lost 1-2 games?

The sky i snot falling, it is just a bit of rain, I hope to live another 20 🙂

 



   
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@southern-psu-fan MC was totally out coached by Lincoln effin Riley !! I didn’t want to  come to  a conclusion this early but it’s becoming more clear by the week that PSU made a huge mistake hiring that guy.



   
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Posted by: @roaminglion
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CHESNEY 

credit you also wanted will stein, and that guy's doing great in Kentucky as well

 

I think I was on and off the Stein wagon a lot during the search because Southern kept convincing me it would be a bad hire. Both he and Chesney now have the look of guys that will be competing for championships somewhere in the future. I wouldn’t be surprised if they both leave their current jobs for bigger ones in a couple years.

 



   
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Eh, I don't know.  The late changes on offense need to stop but the officials need to penalize the defense for the gam they are playing and that problem goes away.

The faking you are going for it with the punter on the line was cute.  It created a bit of a panic with the announcers as it made no sense...until they found the punter.  Had PSU identified the punter?  If they had should they have done nothing?  Maybe they should have pulled the returner up a bit to play D?  What would USC have done?  Moved the punter back and kicked?  Didn't want to take the delay of game 5 yards.  Would that be considered a smart move or just smart ass?  It is the kind of move that may be remembered in the future...

 

It is easy to 'outcoach' someone when you have better talent.  Alabama and tOSU coaches look brilliant?  Lets talk about Clemson's coaching decline?  Same coach...different results.



   
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@underlion  

He has been badly out coached in every conference game so far. 15 total points  scored in the second half of conference games this season says it all.



   
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It’s obvious that MC is going to build the team through recruiting and it’s going to be a few years so we gotta give the man a little time. I’m for keeping Lynn as long as we can see some progress the last 6 games but if the defense isn’t better that dude needs to go. The OC did a little better last night so that dude needs some credit but the defense was terrible. 9-3 is the new goal baby we won’t give up!



   
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If Chesney kills it at UCLA over the next couple of years, my guess is he heads to Oregon, USC, tOSU, maybe TX, especially if he gets on a playoff roll, and of course that depends on how the current coaches do as well? Or maybe, pro?

Oregon is interesting in that, Phil Knight is 88 yrs old and I wonder what level of emphasis will remain with the football program after he is out of the picture? 



   
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@psu61 

My guess is Chesney ends up at Meatchicken.



   
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@southern-psu-fan 

9-3 is a pipe dream. Our lines on both sides of the ball are going to be obliterated next week and I wouldn’t be surprised if Meatchicken attempts less than 15 passes the entire game. 
From where I sat and watched USC toy with us last night it was obvious we’ve got nothing in the trenches.



   
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@psujoe next week because Michigan can’t throw the ball hopefully Lynn can bring some guys up to help stop the run and get away from the 3 man rush shit. If we can sneak out a win against Michigan we can probably win out and see who we get in a bowl game. 10 wins is actually the goal homer. Lol



   
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@southern-psu-fan I’ve heard a new qb is set to start for them.



   
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@psujoe as bad as the defense is I don’t know if that’s a good thing or bad thing. Usually it’s a good thing facing a backup QB but with Danton Lynn rushing 3 guys I don’t know. I say play man to man and just bring the fudging house most of the game and if we get beat deep at least we tried something. One thing I do know is rushing 3 ain’t working.



   
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Eh, I don't know.  The late changes on offense need to stop but the officials need to penalize the defense for the gam they are playing and that problem goes away.

The faking you are going for it with the punter on the line was cute.  It created a bit of a panic with the announcers as it made no sense...until they found the punter.  Had PSU identified the punter?  If they had should they have done nothing?  Maybe they should have pulled the returner up a bit to play D?  What would USC have done?  Moved the punter back and kicked?  Didn't want to take the delay of game 5 yards.  Would that be considered a smart move or just smart ass?  It is the kind of move that may be remembered in the future...

 

It is easy to 'outcoach' someone when you have better talent.  Alabama and tOSU coaches look brilliant?  Lets talk about Clemson's coaching decline?  Same coach...different results.

So true. Look at the talent gap between USC and us, and somehow losing by 8 is being "badly outcoached". Make that make sense

1 team has 5* talent everywhere, and the other has fans who say "we are Iowa State east" - yet playing with a team with talent everywhere is being severely outcoached?

I am not saying MC is a great coach, or we didn’t make a mistake in not trying to get Chesney instead of him... but we can't be saying we lack talent and the Iowa State players stink... then turn around and say we were outcoached when those stinky players lost a clost game againt a team with big recruiting classes every year

 


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