"...And then staying with the run game and not going away from the run game"
That tells you everything you need to know about who is telling who to keep running the ball. There were other statements riddled throughout that presser too.
If you think Yurcich is calling the plays he wants, just look at his previous offenses and then tell me he stubbornly keeps running the ball when it doesn't work. Hint: He doesn't. He also doesn't rotate RBs either, so that's all Franklin too.
You're right, Roam. Franklin is a classic micromanager. I've had the displeasure to work for a few like that. Makes for poor results more often than not.
When you won't trust your staff (caveat, all are competent), either you have to go or the staff have to go; I'd say in this case it needs to be former.
Unfortunately, JF earned his stars on a run at Vanderbilt when the rest of the conference was on a weak slide. Over time he has proven that he is a solid ~4 loss/year coach; but so are a lot of other HCs.
"...And then staying with the run game and not going away from the run game"
That tells you everything you need to know about who is telling who to keep running the ball. There were other statements riddled throughout that presser too.
If you think Yurcich is calling the plays he wants, just look at his previous offenses and then tell me he stubbornly keeps running the ball when it doesn't work. Hint: He doesn't. He also doesn't rotate RBs either, so that's all Franklin too.
So looking back to Ciarrocca, I now have wonder it the short lived time as PSU was because Franklin and him were at odds over offensive play calling and game management?
It appears that we have a pattern here...The offensive coordinators are let go every year because they don't get to call their own plays and are blamed for the terrible offense...You may be on to something here Roam...
Lots of speculation going on. The only definite is Michigan beat PSU.
@sky Thanks for sharing that with us. Lol…none of ‘em were fired except Rocco and Donovan.
@sky Thanks for sharing that with us. Lol…none of ‘em were fired except Rocco and Donovan.
So 50% of the OC's have been fired for bad results, and one left to take an ODU job after everyone was complaining he had no idea how to game plan. LMAO, so yeah... only Joe Moorehead did well.
@roaminglion Rahne won 11 games as OC with Clifford and brown so that’s not bad. Our OC’s have been pretty good except maybe Rocco but he was only here 1 year and Yurcich I believe is really good we just don’t have a good OL.
@roaminglion Rahne won 11 games as OC with Clifford and brown so that’s not bad. Our OC’s have been pretty good except maybe Rocco but he was only here 1 year and Yurcich I believe is really good we just don’t have a good OL.
Will you stop using overall record as some justification of a coordinator? May lord, it has nothing to do with overall record.
Case and point: Bill Bradley had 4 losing seasons in his first 5 years, and only won 4 games in 2004. Obviously he did a terrible job as defensive coordinator. That is your logic.
@roaminglion I got news for you Roam, when you win 11 games and the cotton bowl you did most things right and when you go 4-5 and stand at 6-4 this year losing to Illinois and Iowa you ain’t doing much right. I judge everything on winning and losing..period. You either get it done or you don’t, it ain’t complicated. You need to look at the big picture and stop finding exceptions and throwing that out. Big picture Roam, 2019 11-2 winning cotton bowl and things were pretty sweet.
So by your logic Penn State should have fired Tom Bradley, because he wasn't doing it right. 4 losing seasons in 5 years, obviously he should have been shown his walking papers.
Even though he had some of the best defenses in Penn State history, the teams sucked so there you go. 3-8 in 2003, 4-7 in 2004. You just said "I judge everything on winning and losing..period." So by that, Tom Bradley sucked. 5 years into his DC career he was 26-32. So I guess he sucked.
@roaminglion I got news for you Roam, when you win 11 games and the cotton bowl you did most things right and when you go 4-5 and stand at 6-4 this year losing to Illinois and Iowa you ain’t doing much right. I judge everything on winning and losing..period. You either get it done or you don’t, it ain’t complicated. You need to look at the big picture and stop finding exceptions and throwing that out. Big picture Roam, 2019 11-2 winning cotton bowl and things were pretty sweet.
So right there, based on your statement above, Cincinnati belongs in the playoff equation this year. As you said, I judge everything on winning and losing..period."
@roaminglion I didn’t say that you did. I said when you’re winning 11 you’re doing most things good. The offense was the problem in 03 and 04 not the defense but the biggest problem we had was QB problems in 03 and 04 having new coaches and it took a year or 2 to fix it and we started winning again. Please just ask me about problems with whatever we’re talking about and I’ll tell you, you trying to figure out what I’m thinking is way off.
@navylion I did not say that. there’s teams in front of Cincinnati that the CFP committee thinks is better and I just happen to agree with ‘em.
@southern-psu-fan NO! What you said exactly was "I judge everything on winning and losing..period." That is exactly what you said.
That statement means the only thing that counts is winning no matter who it is against or in the manner in which it happens PERIOD!!!
You say stuff then when someone presses you about it you start adding other things in.
SO, do you judge everything on winning and losing..period or not? ..period means that is it, no other factors or circumstances.
SAY WHAT YOU MEAN, MEAN WHAT YOU SAY!!!!!! That's all I'm saying!!
@roaminglion I didn’t say that you did. I said when you’re winning 11 you’re doing most things good. The offense was the problem in 03 and 04 not the defense but the biggest problem we had was QB problems in 03 and 04 having new coaches and it took a year or 2 to fix it and we started winning again. Please just ask me about problems with whatever we’re talking about and I’ll tell you, you trying to figure out what I’m thinking is way off.
No it's not, you pick and choose what you want to use as a metric based on whatever you want to be true.
I want to say Rahne is a good OC, so just point to the overall record. Same thing with Donovan, look at Vandy winning 9 games... he's a good OC.
But when it's something you don't want to be true, than move on from it. Tom Bradley only won 3 games? Well the QB sucked so don't blame him. Even though I said I base everything on wins and losses, for Tom Bradley I don't because.... "reasons".
This is EXACTLY what you are doing. You specifically said in one post "I base everything off wins and losses", then when shown when this logic breaks down you say "well the QB wasn't good." You pick and choose whatever suits the situation you want to be true. Earlier this year ND was a top 5 team, then Cincy beat em and "well things change". Then you try and tell me that Georgia would have been different... even though ND was top 5, Cincy beat em, then the excuses came out and ND would "beat them now". Yet somehow beating Georgia wouldn't have brought out the same excuses that "Georgia is better now"? Please, you know it would.
I also didn't say Rahne was a bad OC, I said he took a job somewhere else and people had been complaining about his playcalling.
Maybe I’m not great at explaining things so I’ll try to gutter this down a little bit. James Franklin fudged up firing Limegrover and this is why. McGovern, Bates, Menit and Gonzolas were 4 studs that he developed and I believe they are all playing in the NFL but I’m not positive but I do think they are. We’ve recruited good at the OL position by the recruiting rankings and they aren’t being developed but roam don’t want to blame the OL coach, why? Ain’t that his job? We weren’t winning NC’s while Limegrover was here but we was kicking some ass while he was our OL coach winning the cotton bowl and fiesta bowl and losing the Rose Bowl and Outback bowl. See them 4 bowls I just mentioned big time bowl games baby and look at us now, 4-5 last year and 6-4 this year and we all know it’s because of the OL. I told roam when he fired Limegrover this might come back and bite him in the butt and it has. I don’t care how y’all connect the dots but we were winning a chit pot of football games from 2016-2019 while Limegrover was our OL coach and we ain’t won a whole lot of games since he got fired and remember both of y’all blame the OL on why we are losing so when I say I judge on wins and losses I mean every bit if it. It ain’t nothing tricky, look at the offense while Limegrover was here and look at it now and I’ll add in 2019, it’s the same QB just 2 years younger and I believe Cain did get some snaps that year running pretty good if I remember right. What does Tom Bradly got to do with any of this anyway.This is as clear as I can be typing I might can explain it better if y’all call me. 😂 I’m sure there was probably another OL guy that did pretty good to I can’t remember all of ‘em but I did forget about Gonzales Roam just didn’t want to mention him just cause because I know that dude doesn’t forget anything so if there is another OL guy that did good under Limegrover please tell to help my cause here😁
Maybe I’m not great at explaining things so I’ll try to gutter this down a little bit. James Franklin fudged up firing Limegrover and this is why. McGovern, Bates, Menit and Gonzolas were 4 studs that he developed and I believe they are all playing in the NFL but I’m not positive but I do think they are. We’ve recruited good at the OL position by the recruiting rankings and they aren’t being developed but roam don’t want to blame the OL coach, why? Ain’t that his job? We weren’t winning NC’s while Limegrover was here but we was kicking some ass while he was our OL coach winning the cotton bowl and fiesta bowl and losing the Rose Bowl and Outback bowl. See them 4 bowls I just mentioned big time bowl games baby and look at us now, 4-5 last year and 6-4 this year and we all know it’s because of the OL. I told roam when he fired Limegrover this might come back and bite him in the butt and it has. I don’t care how y’all connect the dots but we were winning a chit pot of football games from 2016-2019 while Limegrover was our OL coach and we ain’t won a whole lot of games since he got fired and remember both of y’all blame the OL on why we are losing so when I say I judge on wins and losses I mean every bit if it. It ain’t nothing tricky, look at the offense while Limegrover was here and look at it now and I’ll add in 2019, it’s the same QB just 2 years younger and I believe Cain did get some snaps that year running pretty good if I remember right. What does Tom Bradly got to do with any of this anyway.This is as clear as I can be typing I might can explain it better if y’all call me. 😂 I’m sure there was probably another OL guy that did pretty good to I can’t remember all of ‘em but I did forget about Gonzales Roam just didn’t want to mention him just cause because I know that dude doesn’t forget anything so if there is another OL guy that did good under Limegrover please tell to help my cause here😁
NO, Limegrover did not recruit well. Every guy you mentioned WAS NOT RECRUITED BY HIM. I've said it before and I will say it again, Limegrover did well with the guys he already had when he arrived, but he failed to recruit and develop anyone of significance. At all. That's just a plain fact, when he left there was no one on this roster he recruited and brought into the program that was any good. FACT. That is why the line stinks now, all the guys he inherited are gone.
I didn't say Limegrover wan't good, I said he didn't recruit well.
You look at wins and losses, but here's the thing... Offensive line talent isn't built in a year. It isn't even built in 2 years. It's built over time, and Limegrover did a piss poor job recruiting players to come in a develop over time. The proof is in the pudding, and quite simply the guys he himself recruited and coached... SUCK. I give him credit for coaching the players who were recruited prior to his arrival (Bates, McGovern, Fries, etc.), but Southern... you keep saying "he recruited well" with no proof other than "stars". Well, who in his time here did he RECRUIT who has turned into anything in the interior of the line? 2017, 2018, 2019? Who from those classes did he build up? I can't think of anyone. If anything, he recruited tackles I guess, maybe I'll give him that. But centers and guards? Woof... TERRIBLE.
Also, do you really attribute the OL play in 2020 to anyone but Limegrover? Really? So the guy who coached every single one of those guys for 4 years has nothing to do with how they played? Because the new OL coach got 2 weeks with them before the season, it's all his fault?
Here are Limegrover's recruits:
CJ Thorpe - Gave up football
Mike Miranda - Coached him for 3 years and he's a terrible center
Robert Martin - WHO?
Des Holmes - Backup
Rasheed Walker - Coached him almost 3 years, starting tackle
Nana Asiedu - Moved to DL
Juice Scruggs - Starting guard, and stinks
Bryce Effner - WHO?
Caedan Wallace - Moved from guard to tackle, no one else is any good
Anthony Whigan - Backup
Saleem Wormley - Backup
These are all guys he worked with for 2 years or more, 4 are starting on a line that plain sticks. I'm not laying THE ENTIRE blame at Limegrover's feet, but stop acting like he bears none of it. These are his guys, who he coaches for 2 years or more, and changing OL coaches wouldn't make them forget how to be good lineman. He did not recruit well.
@roaminglion I looked on rivals and from 2017-2019 we have seven 4* and four 3* recruits that was recruited by Limegrover and gattis. All I know is we can’t run block and struggle pass blocking. Limegrover has been gone 2 years you telling me the new guy can’t develop seven 4* and four 3* recruits? I’m just going by what’s on rivals recruiting and from these rankings going on them years and what Limegrover did while he was the coach, we would be kicking some ass if he was still here. You say he’s a good coach but can’t recruit but these stars on rivals don’t say that. I know there can be a few bust but all 11 guys are bust? I ain’t buying all of ‘em being a bust. Something just ain’t adding up. And again, I believe it was Rocco that probably wanted Limegrover gone and James Franklin went along with it but it’s still his fault
@roaminglion I looked on rivals and from 2017-2019 we have seven 4* and four 3* recruits that was recruited by Limegrover and gattis. All I know is we can’t run block and struggle pass blocking. Limegrover has been gone 2 years you telling me the new guy can’t develop seven 4* and four 3* recruits? I’m just going by what’s on rivals recruiting and from these rankings going on them years and what Limegrover did while he was the coach, we would be kicking some ass if he was still here. You say he’s a good coach but can’t recruit but these stars on rivals don’t say that. I know there can be a few bust but all 11 guys are bust? I ain’t buying all of ‘em being a bust. Something just ain’t adding up. And again, I believe it was Rocco that probably wanted Limegrover gone and James Franklin went along with it but it’s still his fault
Did you just completely ignore my statement that Limegrover actually coached these guys for 2 years or more? Also, the new OL coach has had a little over a year to coach them... he didnt get to do anything with them until August 2020.
The new guy has been here only a year really. But yeah, blame him and not the guy who recruited and coached these guys for 2+ years.
But keep talking about stars like that means anything. His recruits suck, whatever their stars are. The new guy has litterally been coaching these players for a year and a half but somehow the guy who coached them for 2+ years doesnt carry any blame. Ffs
We’re in the 11 game of the year, this dude has had plenty of time to make ‘em better and they’ve got worse. It’s just what I see hopefully James Franklin gets out of here and we’ll get a new coaching staff.
Damn SPF, you on a roll with O'line and JF to roll them on out! I can see clearly now once the rain is gone, I can see all obstacles in my way, Gone will be the dark clouds that had me blind, It's gonna be a bright (bright)…day when JF and the O'line are gone...
Just funnin'.
