Good grief , Being in a big city adds to making the job one of most challenging in nation, as I said, its not the same in state college, pa, or ames iowa, or Ann Arbor MI....It adds a whole host of challenges
In any event, you have your opinion, I have mine..and IM also going with the experts in the field, the businesses who cover sports for a living. Athlon sports in its issue of May 2019, ranked the head coaching job in all 130 Div 1 colleges, ranking the USC job 6th with this comment:
"The USC coaching staff has the ability to stock its roster with elite talent without ever having to jump on a plane"
With all due respect, Im going with Athlon..
I know what's coming next, an attack on Athlon, spare me 😉
CT... by your argument is it the same in South Bend , Indiana or will you concede that Notre Dame is not a prestigious/best jobs in the nation?. Com’on now CT, be real, does your big city logic work here?
In full disclosure, I don’t mind ND, been to several games there, was treated well and had a great time.
I have USC at #4 in my true top 5 college football programs all time behind Penn state, The Tide and Oklahoma. Ohio State coming in at #5
Good grief , Being in a big city adds to making the job one of most challenging in nation, as I said, its not the same in state college, pa, or ames iowa, or Ann Arbor MI....It adds a whole host of challenges
In any event, you have your opinion, I have mine..and IM also going with the experts in the field, the businesses who cover sports for a living. Athlon sports in its issue of May 2019, ranked the head coaching job in all 130 Div 1 colleges, ranking the USC job 6th with this comment:
"The USC coaching staff has the ability to stock its roster with elite talent without ever having to jump on a plane"
With all due respect, Im going with Athlon..
I know what's coming next, an attack on Athlon, spare me 😉
With all due respect to journalists, or pretty much anyone else who has an opinion of this so called "dream job"... I'll go with ACTUAL COACHES. You know, the guys who actually have to take the job? Doesn't seem to be much of a dream for any of them, or they would probably be lining up to take it. Your argument is that journalists think it's a dream job, my argument is that no one in that profession wants it. USC keeps being turned down by their 1st, 2nd, etc. choices. Come on, obviously it ain't the dream.
Of course national reporters think working in a big city is "the best thing ever"... All of them are city people. People seem to forget more than half the country lives outside of cities, or they are just arrogant enough to think everyone wants to live in a big city but can't cut it.
I've lived in NYC, and I've also lived in several other large cities. It's so weird that some people seem to think that it's everyone's dream to live in a big city. LA? No thanks, been there a bunch of times and would never want to live there.
Good grief , Being in a big city adds to making the job one of most challenging in nation, as I said, its not the same in state college, pa, or ames iowa, or Ann Arbor MI....It adds a whole host of challenges
In any event, you have your opinion, I have mine..and IM also going with the experts in the field, the businesses who cover sports for a living. Athlon sports in its issue of May 2019, ranked the head coaching job in all 130 Div 1 colleges, ranking the USC job 6th with this comment:
"The USC coaching staff has the ability to stock its roster with elite talent without ever having to jump on a plane"
With all due respect, Im going with Athlon..
I know what's coming next, an attack on Athlon, spare me 😉
With all due respect to journalists, or pretty much anyone else who has an opinion of this so called "dream job"... I'll go with ACTUAL COACHES. You know, the guys who actually have to take the job? Doesn't seem to be much of a dream for any of them, or they would probably be lining up to take it. Your argument is that journalists think it's a dream job, my argument is that no one in that profession wants it. USC keeps being turned down by their 1st, 2nd, etc. choices. Come on, obviously it ain't the dream.
Of course national reporters think working in a big city is "the best thing ever"... All of them are city people. People seem to forget more than half the country lives outside of cities, or they are just arrogant enough to think everyone wants to live in a big city but can't cut it.
I've lived in NYC, and I've also lived in several other large cities. It's so weird that some people seem to think that it's everyone's dream to live in a big city. LA? No thanks, been there a bunch of times and would never want to live there.
Got agree Roam. I’ve lived and visited all over the world, 6 of 7 continents. One of them being Antarctica. Lived in California for 9 years, 5 in San Diego and 4 in Ventura County above LA. Haven’t looked back since I left! So here’s my take. Like you said, it seems like 2nd or 3rd or 4th choices for the jobs, not the premier coaches in the game take the job. Other than an up in comer getting the job by default why would a top tier coach want to take a job in one of the most expensive high cost of living places in the country with ungodly sate taxes.
According to USA Today 7 of the top 20 highest paid coaches are in the B1G, USC is #47 on the list! If it is such a premiere job they sure don’t pay their coaches like it!!
sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Good grief , Being in a big city adds to making the job one of most challenging in nation, as I said, its not the same in state college, pa, or ames iowa, or Ann Arbor MI....It adds a whole host of challenges
In any event, you have your opinion, I have mine..and IM also going with the experts in the field, the businesses who cover sports for a living. Athlon sports in its issue of May 2019, ranked the head coaching job in all 130 Div 1 colleges, ranking the USC job 6th with this comment:
"The USC coaching staff has the ability to stock its roster with elite talent without ever having to jump on a plane"
With all due respect, Im going with Athlon..
I know what's coming next, an attack on Athlon, spare me 😉
With all due respect to journalists, or pretty much anyone else who has an opinion of this so called "dream job"... I'll go with ACTUAL COACHES. You know, the guys who actually have to take the job? Doesn't seem to be much of a dream for any of them, or they would probably be lining up to take it. Your argument is that journalists think it's a dream job, my argument is that no one in that profession wants it. USC keeps being turned down by their 1st, 2nd, etc. choices. Come on, obviously it ain't the dream.
Of course national reporters think working in a big city is "the best thing ever"... All of them are city people. People seem to forget more than half the country lives outside of cities, or they are just arrogant enough to think everyone wants to live in a big city but can't cut it.
I've lived in NYC, and I've also lived in several other large cities. It's so weird that some people seem to think that it's everyone's dream to live in a big city. LA? No thanks, been there a bunch of times and would never want to live there.
Got agree Roam. I’ve lived and visited all over the world, 6 of 7 continents. One of them being Antarctica. Lived in California for 9 years, 5 in San Diego and 4 in Ventura County above LA. Haven’t looked back since I left! So here’s my take. Like you said, it seems like 2nd or 3rd or 4th choices for the jobs, not the premier coaches in the game take the job. Other than an up in comer getting the job by default why would a top tier coach want to take a job in one of the most expensive high cost of living places in the country with ungodly sate taxes.
According to USA Today 7 of the top 20 highest paid coaches are in the B1G, USC is #47 on the list! If it is such a premiere job they sure don’t pay their coaches like it!!
sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Here's the link so you don't have to cut and paste.
https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/
Lake, what Im saying about the big city, is that it just adds to the demands of a head coach.You have to win to sell tickets unlike state college or ann arbor where its the only game in town,and 100,o00 are coming every Saturday because there is nothing else to do..Look at our home state, Pa, where Temple and Pitt struggle to fill half the stadium, primarily because the pros rule,and the Eagles/Steelers are your competition, and selling out every game...USC attendance increased from 57,000 in Carroll's first yr, to 91,000 in future yrs, why, because he was a natl contender every yr thereafter..Look at this yr, where the Dodgers will most likely be playing to almost nov, the Rams start in sept, Lakers/Kings in sept/oct...plus allure of Hollywood/la entertainment Simply put, you have to win..Im not saying it adds to allure, as some are saying, Im saying its exactly why some coaches don't want to go there..I am saying though, you can win a national championship there..
Re: the ND job, stull unique, still a top job, probably not top 5 like it used to be, it has its own challenges..Glad you enjoyed, Ive been to a ND home game every yr since 1974, and its a very friendly venue, visitors are always treated well..
Lake, what Im saying about the big city, is that it just adds to the demands of a head coach.You have to win to sell tickets unlike state college or ann arbor where its the only game in town,and 100,o00 are coming every Saturday because there is nothing else to do..Look at our home state, Pa, where Temple and Pitt struggle to fill half the stadium, primarily because the pros rule,and the Eagles/Steelers are your competition, and selling out every game...USC attendance increased from 57,000 in Carroll's first yr, to 91,000 in future yrs, why, because he was a natl contender every yr thereafter..Look at this yr, where the Dodgers will most likely be playing to almost nov, the Rams start in sept, Lakers/Kings in sept/oct...plus allure of Hollywood/la entertainment Simply put, you have to win..Im not saying it adds to allure, as some are saying, Im saying its exactly why some coaches don't want to go there..I am saying though, you can win a national championship there..
Re: the ND job, stull unique, still a top job, probably not top 5 like it used to be, it has its own challenges..Glad you enjoyed, Ive been to a ND home game every yr since 1974, and its a very friendly venue, visitors are always treated well..
What you just explained isn't w "dream job". High profile? Yes. Demanding? Yes. A place that everyone wants to go? NO.
Again, a dream job is BY DEFINITION something that is a dream for most people in the profession. USC obviously isn't, as it has been turned down multiple times by multiple high profile coaches.
I'm not saying it isn't a good job. I'm not saying it isn't high profile. I'm not saying it isn't highly visable... I am saying it isn't a dream job. Much of what you are talking about is actually why it isn't a dream job. It's not cushy. Press is all over you. Expectations are very high. Etc. etc. etc. That makes it very tough, but hardly a dream position.
Hey southern, you know better than this my man, PSU, No 1 all time, cmon now, I admire your fandom but thats exactly what it is, fandom, lol
Remember a month or so ago, I informed you, historically speaking the top college football programs, the thoroughbreds, blue bloods if you will (no particular order) are Alabama,Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio St, Texas, USC.. Well ESPN has spoken, given their 150 year ranking of CF teams just yesterday,...The rankings of the present div 1 programs are as follows: 1)Alabama, 2)Notre Dame, 3)Ohio St, 4)Oklahoma, 5)USC, 6)Michigan, 7)Nebraska, 8) Texas.
Would I steer you wrong? 😉
Hey southern, you know better than this my man, PSU, No 1 all time, cmon now, I admire your fandom but thats exactly what it is, fandom, lol
Remember a month or so ago, I informed you, historically speaking the top college football programs, the thoroughbreds, blue bloods if you will (no particular order) are Alabama,Michigan, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Ohio St, Texas, USC.. Well ESPN has spoken, given their 150 year ranking of CF teams just yesterday,...The rankings of the present div 1 programs are as follows: 1)Alabama, 2)Notre Dame, 3)Ohio St, 4)Oklahoma, 5)USC, 6)Michigan, 7)Nebraska, 8) Texas.
Would I steer you wrong? 😉
Umm... you seem to have completely whitewashed the list to make it seem more legit
Nebraska was 8, not 7... Why? Because you omitted Yale at #7. You then also stopped just short of North Dakota State at #10, Princeton at #11, and yes... Penn State at #12.
Now that adds some context to the list, because it shows they included and highly regarded records from the late 1800s and early 1900s. So if, as you say in your post, you think ESPN believes Nebraska is a "blue blood" of football, then so are Yale and NDSU. Which is, of course, ridiculous.
Sorry, but you can't just omit what you don't like about a list and use the rest. Even if it's okay to take out Yale, NDSU, and Princeton because they no longer play Division 1 (FBS), that means PSU is #9 right behind Texas.
Penn State has the coach that won the most games 409, the coach that has the most bowl wins 24 and has the only coach to win all the 4 major bowl. CT, all this was done on the field with nobody’s opinion beating all the big dawgs baby. I’m also going to say Penn st was the only team to beat the best college football team of all time when we knocked off Miami back in 86. That Miami team sent pretty much the whole team to the NFL. When you add all that up it’s not complicated to see Penn State is #1. Also Penn st did it playing by the rules and graduating football players. And look what James Franklin and BOB accomplished when the ncaa and the big 10 tried to take them down. Death penalty sanctions CT and we still didn’t have a losing season. Go look at Alabama, Ohio st and Miami and see what happened to them when they got a slap on the wrist compared to what penn st got and they all had losing seasons. Only Penn st and James Franklin could’ve pulled that off because the sanctions penn st got were handed down to destroy the football program and you know it. #1 penn st and #2 Alabama are right where they need to be 3-5 might be debatable.
@roaminglion...In your haste to start arguments, you reply to posts not addressed to you, which is fine , except you take them out of context or are clueless as to the previous posts, thus misconstruing everything I wrote..
On the previous posts I alluded to with southern, I listed what I considered the eight blue blood programs over the history of college foot ball.I didnt include the IVY league, as they are not currently div 1, nor did I include a 9th or 10 team, because I found the top 8 to be clearly superior. I didnt whitewash anything , I clearly stated i was including ONLY DIV 1 current programs, as THEY are the only ones I included in my stat analysis..
The purpose of my current post was only to point out to southern, that , simply put, ESPN and I agree as to the top 8 current div 1 programs over history...No more no less..My order and ESPNs is even very close but not exact..PERIOD..
@roaminglion...In your haste to start arguments, you reply to posts not addressed to you, which is fine , except you take them out of context or are clueless as to the previous posts, thus misconstruing everything I wrote..
On the previous posts I alluded to with southern, I listed what I considered the eight blue blood programs over the history of college foot ball.I didnt include the IVY league, as they are not currently div 1, nor did I include a 9th or 10 team, because I found the top 8 to be clearly superior. I didnt whitewash anything , I clearly stated i was including ONLY DIV 1 current programs, as THEY are the only ones I included in my stat analysis..
The purpose of my current post was only to point out to southern, that , simply put, ESPN and I agree as to the top 8 current div 1 programs over history...No more no less..My order and ESPNs is even very close but not exact..PERIOD..
I find it funny that you say I don't know the context, then talk about something I ACTUALLY DID INCLUDE in my post.
Go back and look...
"Even if it's okay to take out Yale, NDSU, and Princeton because they no longer play Division 1 (FBS), that means PSU is #9 right behind Texas."
So yeah, I knew exactly what you were saying and how you were saying it. My point was you can't just take out non Division 1 teams from a list, because it changes the context of the list. If ESPN did a list of the best teams of the poll era (modern football), those rankings may look a bit different. Obviously Michigan would not be nearly as high as they are, because Fielding Yost and 1900-1920 wouldn't mean anything.
Which it really doesn't IMO.
I also find it interesting that you went out of you way in this forum to try and tell us why a "big city" means a football job is a dream position at USC, and then tell us that 5 of the Blue Bloods of college football hail from places like Tuscaloosa, Norman, Columbus, South Bend, and Lincoln. Not exactly sport heavy metropolitan areas.
What's your mailing address?? I'll send you a couple of quarters so you can call someone that cares.
Seriously though dude, you're a ND fan coming on a Penn State forum spewing stats that go back 150 years and you're accusing Roam of starting an argument?? Man that's priceless. Since you're so into stats, here's one for you. **How many teams has ND beaten in the past 10 years that FINISHED the season in the top ten??
Riddle me this one Mr Blueblood: How do you explain losing the last 8 major bowl games you've been in?? Hell man, in the last 10 bowl games you've been in against a top 10 team your golden dumbers are 2-8. You have to go all the way back to 1994 to find a bowl win against a top ten team.....and that one you barely won. From 1995 to now, your "Relevant team" is 5-13 with wins in the prestigious Hawaii,Sun, Music City, Pinstripe, and Citrus Bowls.
To add insult to injury, the year you guys cheated, you had to vacate your bowl victory over lowly Rutgers.
** ONE.
The only downside of the PSU job is the weather in Central Pennsylvania.
Both teams have to play in the weather. Penn State has gone to Tuscaloosa, Miami, Arizona, Texas, Louisiana and California and won big time football games and never complained about the weather. We’ve even gone to South Bend and beat the chit out of the Irish baby. My point is I’m basing my true top 5 football programs all time on what was done on the field and the teams we beat to get it done. Nobody’s opinion it’s just what was done on the field.
There's only two that I know of, you and that crazy old fart that calls Maine his home. Heck, come summer time, he moves farther north to escape the heat.
