He is 4th is yards per attempt, 5th in completion percentage, and 5th in QB rating.
The issue is he only averages 23 passes per game. That's it. We really don't throw the ball all that much, but when we do he gets a lot of yards per attempt.
The problem we seem to have is connecting more with the WRs. We throw fine to the RBs and TEs, but not the Wide outs. Some people think it's Allar, but I don't. You don't have numbers like he has if you don't know how to throw.
He throws fine, and from what I have seen the WRs have a difficult time getting open consistently. Sure, they get open sometimes and you can point to plays where Allar missed them... but more often than not they are not getting seperation.
I've noticed a good chunk of the WR receptions have been on scrambles too. Pocket collapses and the QB (Pribula or Allar) buys time and then a WR comes open. That's a bad sign IMO, it shows WRs need extra time getting open.
I also think it's holding out running game back. If we even had just one guy on the outside that gave a defense any semblance of hesitation... our offense would be so, so good.
Formations and trickery only take you so far. No OC is good enough to compensate for WRs that just cant get seperation. The DC on the other side is doing his job too, and knows how to stop formations and tricks.
In the end, I think Franklin's decision to bring in the WR coach from UVA was a mistake. I don't see anything this man has done, in recruiting or on the field, that merits his hire.
I whole heartedly disagree with you...You absolutely can use motion and formations to get guys open...That is my biggest criticism of this OC...And what makes it even easier to do is that you have the best TE in the country drawing double teams and a tandem of the best RB's in the country...It is inexcusable that they could only put up 2 field goals against Ohio State...There is more than enough talent in that WR room to produce...Especially because of the fact of the talent at TE and in the backfield...I would argue that they don't throw enough to Singleton...I would be isolating that guy often in the flat, wheel routes, screens etc...As a matter of fact they could have broke big plays had they used Singleton instead of Allen on some of those screen plays...I put this on the coaching staff...
"You absolutely can use motion and formations to get guys open" - This statement is absent of any realization that there are defensive coordinators who know how to spot schemes and motions. Those only take you so far, you can't just plug in random players and say the OC schemes are all you need.I whole heartedly disagree with you...You absolutely can use motion and formations to get guys open...That is my biggest criticism of this OC...And what makes it even easier to do is that you have the best TE in the country drawing double teams and a tandem of the best RB's in the country...It is inexcusable that they could only put up 2 field goals against Ohio State...There is more than enough talent in that WR room to produce...Especially because of the fact of the talent at TE and in the backfield...I would argue that they don't throw enough to Singleton...I would be isolating that guy often in the flat, wheel routes, screens etc...As a matter of fact they could have broke big plays had they used Singleton instead of Allen on some of those screen plays...I put this on the coaching staff...
Yet that WR room dropped several balls in the game, including a sure TD that went off their hands in right to the OSU defender. No scheme for that.There is more than enough talent in that WR room to produce...
Dropped balls means they were open...So yes you can't scheme for physical errors...But you sure as heck can use formations and motion to get people separation...The best coach I ever saw at doing that was Spurrier...I will concede that you can't blame a coach for a kid throwing the ball behind a receiver a kid dropping a ball he should catch...You also can't scheme for a team holding receivers all game and not having a flag thrown...I will argue til I take my last breath that you can use formations and motion to get guys separation and open...It's especially easy to do when you have the best TE in the country and 2 all world RB's to work with as well...
If that's true, why did it take Spurrier 6 years of 6-7 win seasons to start winning in South Carolina? What a coincidence that once he got better players, they started winning. Schemes only took him so far when his players weren't good enough.Dropped balls means they were open...So yes you can't scheme for physical errors...But you sure as heck can use formations and motion to get people separation...The best coach I ever saw at doing that was Spurrier...I will concede that you can't blame a coach for a kid throwing the ball behind a receiver a kid dropping a ball he should catch...You also can't scheme for a team holding receivers all game and not having a flag thrown...I will argue til I take my last breath that you can use formations and motion to get guys separation and open...It's especially easy to do when you have the best TE in the country and 2 all world RB's to work with as well...
Spurriers problems with those SC teams wasn't scoring pts...His problems were they couldn't stop anybody...
What a complete load of BS. First time I've ever heard of anyone saying a team in the bottom have of scoring offense didn't hale a problem scoring points.Spurriers problems with those SC teams wasn't scoring pts...His problems were they couldn't stop anybody...
- 2005: 76th in NCAA for points scored
- 2006: 44th
- 2007: 71st
- 2008: 96th
- 2009: 102nd
*First year will all his own recruits*
- 2010: 39th
- 2011: 44th
- 2012: 47th
- 2013: 31st
- 2014: 42nd
I mean, 1 good year in 2006 and a bunch of terrible years his first 5 there. They were also in the bottom 3rd of total offense 4 out of those 5 years as well. When he had a full recruiting cycle? Top 30 offense in total yards every year and a very consistent and good scoring offense.
Your reality distortion field is showing. In Spurrier's first 5 years in South Carolina, they absolutely were not a good offense. Far from it.
Funny thing is when you said "they couldn't stop anybody" was when I knew you were wrong. South Carolina's defense was very good those years, even with a bad offense they still were ranked high 30s or sometimes a top 25 defense. I mean, there's wrong and there's COMPLETELY wrong. Fact is in Spurrier's first 5 years, his defense was actually very good and their offense stunk. You have it backwards.
You're right...The guy was a terrible coach...In fact you are always right...He got all them coaching jobs cause he had no idea how to run an offense...It's all total BS...In fact you are right regarding formations and motion and everything...You need to apply to coach one of these teams...You have all the answers all of the time...
Did Spurrier have a 5 star QB on those early carolina teams? how bout 2 all world RBs? you think he had the best TE in the country? You can whistle stop this any way you want to but there is no excuse for the lack of productivity against Ohio State this year...With this personnel they should be doing much better...You disagree and that is your prerogative...But nothing you tell me is gonna change my mind...I have seen what formations and motion can do to help kids get separation and open...This OC ain't doing it and he should be...
IMO SCAR defense was better than the offense most of the time. They won 11 games 3 times if I remember correctly and it was because of their defense. I remember when they curb stomped Michigan in a bowl games. I honestly don’t know if defenses can get much better than what SCAR had the years they won 11 games. Offense was pretty good but their defense was awesome.
Under Steve Spurruir^^^^^^
Well next time don't try to sell your argument by saying a team in the bottom third of all college football scoring "didn't have problems scoring points." I dont know everything, but I certainly know the 102nd scoring offense in football isn't an good example of a point scoring machine.You're right...The guy was a terrible coach...In fact you are always right...He got all them coaching jobs cause he had no idea how to run an offense...It's all total BS...In fact you are right regarding formations and motion and everything...You need to apply to coach one of these teams...You have all the answers all of the time...
Nice strawman too... never said Spurrier was a terrible coach. I said his offense certainly got better when he recruited more talent to Columbia.
@the-funeral-director All I request is that you don't use any of these death or revenge spells on me. 🤣 Man whomever that is just loves gunking up the forums.
I hope you have a great week, I know we can both agree on one thing... wanting a blowout of Minnesota!
@the-funeral-director All I request is that you don't use any of these death or revenge spells on me. 🤣 Man whomever that is just loves gunking up the forums.
I hope you have a great week, I know we can both agree on one thing... wanting a blowout of Minnesota!
Can't take it away from them. They are a great football team. In a few weeks many of you are going to be highly disappointed.
@the-funeral-director All I request is that you don't use any of these death or revenge spells on me. 🤣 Man whomever that is just loves gunking up the forums.
I hope you have a great week, I know we can both agree on one thing... wanting a blowout of Minnesota!
Someone on this forum has a computer or phone loaded with spam, viruses and they're bringing it to the forum.
@roaminglion what’s up with the strawman? What does that mean? Someone being a smart butt. Just asking 😂
@roaminglion what’s up with the strawman? What does that mean? Someone being a smart butt. Just asking 😂
when someone distorts or exaggerates another person's argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument instead of refuting the original point of view.
Just watched the Purdue game again on offense only and #24 can run the football. I noticed something about Pribula is he’s good throwing the ball under pressure. I’ve noticed 5 or 6 times this year he’s under heavy pressure and gets the ball to the receivers. #85 is going to be good too. We gotta lot of good young players waiting their turns.
#24 can get it baby, if he’s good catching the ball out of the backfield this dude will be dangerous the next few years.
Besides the USC game this game against Purdue is the best I’ve seen DA play he had a good game. Team was fired up and they better stay fired up against Minnesota this week.
Honestly one thing I've noticed is the offense with Allar is very, very good moving the ball. The issue is the redzone, and it's hard to blame him since they rarely call his number when it gets down close. It's usually some strange formation, Pribula coming in, Warren in the Wildcat, or a run.
Yet some in here are blaming Allar for not putting points on the board, however it doesn't seem like we even let him throw most of the time.
@roaminglion I thought he threw the football in the Ohio St game inside the 5
Yeah, a rare one that bounced off the WRs hands and became an INT. Then we ran the same run play 3 times in a row before giving him a pass play when OSU knew it was coming on 4th down.@roaminglion I thought he threw the football in the Ohio St game inside the 5
I didn't say he never passes, I said it's rare.
Two passes in 9 or 10 plays in the redzone is not really putting Allar in a position to do anything.
