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Well, now that Clemson threw Bama around like a ragdoll, do we still think they are weak and undeserving of a playoff spot? They looked pretty darn good to me with a freshman QB and freshman WR. Dabo can coach and recruit. He also has the insight to hire top notch assistants. Many thought they would lose to ND 🙄 and were sure Bama would dominate them. I think Dabo and the Tigers deserve a little respect. 



   
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The game last night provided justification for a larger pool of participants. ND actually played better against Clemson than Alabama did. Based upon how the game was a blowout, one could argue that Alabama didn’t deserve a spot. But considering the Crimson Tide was undefeated, they had to be put in. I do think other teams were better than Alabama but  based upon the current set up, not deserving of entry into the tournament. By adding more teams, this issue would have been resolved. Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson. 

Maybe the real story is that the SEC is overrated. 



   
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The game last night provided justification for a larger pool of participants. ND actually played better against Clemson than Alabama did. Based upon how the game was a blowout, one could argue that Alabama didn’t deserve a spot. But considering the Crimson Tide was undefeated, they had to be put in. I do think other teams were better than Alabama but  based upon the current set up, not deserving of entry into the tournament. By adding more teams, this issue would have been resolved. Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson. 

Maybe the real story is that the SEC is overrated. 

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. The scores were identical but Clemson literally called the dogs off in the 3rd quarter and played backups for parts of the game. Alabama and Clemson had roughly the same amount of yards, while ND barely made it past mid-field most of the game.

Clemson won the game due to phenomenal goal-line defense. Alabama had the ball down inside the 10 something like 5-6 times and only came away with 9 points to show for it. Anyone watching both games could see ND isn't in either team's league. Clemson just ran away with it against Alabama, but ND couldn't even move the ball against Clemson's backups.

"Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson." UCF lost to Georgia, Florida didn't win the SEC (Alabama did), and Michigan got pummeled by Florida. Kinda weird to say the SEC is overrated and then give 2 examples (UCF, Michigan) of teams that lost to SEC teams and the other placed (Florida) 2nd in their SEC division as "teams that would beat Alabama"?



   
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ND played Clemson much better; ND didn't get rolled until their All-America CB, Julian Love missed the 2nd quarter when Clemson picked on his back up for three TDS, 2 directly..The Tide was simply rolled..

And look at that TIDE schedule, Louisville, Ark ST, Ole Miss, Louisiana, ARKANSAS, Missouri, Tennessee, CRIPES, THE CITADEL...8 games they scored mostly 5o--60 points, opponents like that DO NOT prepare you for Clemson..How in  the world did that CFP committee vote them in, oh wait, I did read hear its  a scam committee  😉

The ACC rules baby!!..



   
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 ND had 2 replay reviews go against them. A 1/4 inch difference may have altered the calls in favor of ND. Additionally game injuries hit ND hard. It’s a fine line but the game could have gone the other way. I think the better team did win. 

My subjective opinion is that Alabama and the SEC is overrated. 

I don’t like Notre Dame so I was glad to see them lose. I merely believe that the results of last night’s game support adding teams to the playoff. 



   
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ND played Clemson better than Alabama? What planet are you guys living on? ND got steamrolled by 27 points and only mustered 3 points in the entire game. Their QB only managed 160 yards and 1 INT. ND didn’t belong on the same field as Clemson. It was a beat down just as thorough as last night. If ND had the backbone to fully join the ACC, that game would have been the ACC Championship. But, they don’t so they stole a playoff spot they didn’t deserve  

You guys missed my point. While I believe the playoffs should be expanded, the fact is, the 2 best teams played and Clemson looked pretty damn good despite some here saying they would get rolled and their conference was weak so they shouldn’t have gotten in automatically. Give them their props. They are really good and have won 2 of the last 3 Championships. They are currently the gold standard. It’s what PSU should aspire to do. 


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Actually, there were 4, count em, 4 replay reversals vs ND..Book's fumble, which some observers said wound up on Book's back, no clear recovery by Clemson, A ND fumble recovery at Clemson's 8, which easily could have been ruled ND's ball, replay inconclusive, a ND interception, and one  of those  receptions where receiver took a step, replay reversal called incomplete..

Im certainly not arguing Clemson wasn't much better, simply stating ND needed everything to go perfect, and it didn't,  every call, and the key injury went against them..

Im also sick and tired of replay...Ive seen too many example this yr, college and NFL, where replay officials are substituting their judgment , and no longer using the "indisputable standard"



   
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By the way, I come to the opposite conclusion of last nite's result, it think it validates 4 teams is plenty..If you cant get a competitive game between two 14-0 teams, adding more teams just adds meaningless games..

Im happy the committee recently affirmed that going forward, 4 will be it..



   
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The game last night provided justification for a larger pool of participants. ND actually played better against Clemson than Alabama did. Based upon how the game was a blowout, one could argue that Alabama didn’t deserve a spot. But considering the Crimson Tide was undefeated, they had to be put in. I do think other teams were better than Alabama but  based upon the current set up, not deserving of entry into the tournament. By adding more teams, this issue would have been resolved. Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson. 

Maybe the real story is that the SEC is overrated. 

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. The scores were identical but Clemson literally called the dogs off in the 3rd quarter and played backups for parts of the game. Alabama and Clemson had roughly the same amount of yards, while ND barely made it past mid-field most of the game.

Clemson won the game due to phenomenal goal-line defense. Alabama had the ball down inside the 10 something like 5-6 times and only came away with 9 points to show for it. Anyone watching both games could see ND isn't in either team's league. Clemson just ran away with it against Alabama, but ND couldn't even move the ball against Clemson's backups.

"Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson." UCF lost to Georgia, Florida didn't win the SEC (Alabama did), and Michigan got pummeled by Florida. Kinda weird to say the SEC is overrated and then give 2 examples (UCF, Michigan) of teams that lost to SEC teams and the other placed (Florida) 2nd in their SEC division as "teams that would beat Alabama"?



   
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I guess we have more closet ND fans than I realized. They got throttled. Replay reversals, nonsense. Wake me up when ND wins a meaningful game. They didn’t deserve to be in the playoff and they got what they deserved. The CB’s injury didn’t cause their offense to suck. All I heard all year was how good their defense was and it laid an egg on the big stage, because it lost 1 guy? Didn’t he re enter the game later? I’ll leave this article here again. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ranking-notre-dames-8-consecutive-big-bowl-defeats/ar-BBRzPZZ?ocid=spartanntp

It appears the best team won the championship. I don’t know why some can’t admit it. 


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The game last night provided justification for a larger pool of participants. ND actually played better against Clemson than Alabama did. Based upon how the game was a blowout, one could argue that Alabama didn’t deserve a spot. But considering the Crimson Tide was undefeated, they had to be put in. I do think other teams were better than Alabama but  based upon the current set up, not deserving of entry into the tournament. By adding more teams, this issue would have been resolved. Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson. 

Maybe the real story is that the SEC is overrated. 

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. The scores were identical but Clemson literally called the dogs off in the 3rd quarter and played backups for parts of the game. Alabama and Clemson had roughly the same amount of yards, while ND barely made it past mid-field most of the game.

Clemson won the game due to phenomenal goal-line defense. Alabama had the ball down inside the 10 something like 5-6 times and only came away with 9 points to show for it. Anyone watching both games could see ND isn't in either team's league. Clemson just ran away with it against Alabama, but ND couldn't even move the ball against Clemson's backups.

"Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson." UCF lost to Georgia, Florida didn't win the SEC (Alabama did), and Michigan got pummeled by Florida. Kinda weird to say the SEC is overrated and then give 2 examples (UCF, Michigan) of teams that lost to SEC teams and the other placed (Florida) 2nd in their SEC division as "teams that would beat Alabama"?

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UCF lost to LSU. UGA lost to Texas.  Roam, no offense buddy but if that's you in front of the computer, you may want to consider a shave.



   
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I guess we have more closet ND fans than I realized. They got throttled. Replay reversals, nonsense. Wake me up when ND wins a meaningful game. They didn’t deserve to be in the playoff and they got what they deserved. The CB’s injury didn’t cause their offense to suck. All I heard all year was how good their defense was and it laid an egg on the big stage, because it lost 1 guy? Didn’t he re enter the game later? I’ll leave this article here again. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/ranking-notre-dames-8-consecutive-big-bowl-defeats/ar-BBRzPZZ?ocid=spartanntp

It appears the best team won the championship. I don’t know why some can’t admit it. 

Arent all ND fans in the closet??



   
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wow, 'backer let me try to bring you up to snuff...You're absolutely right, the CB in question, Julian Love did return in the second half...If you google All America teams, you'll find Julian LOve on virtually every first team..and the fact he returned is exactly the point, Lawrence was 15 for 18, 247 yds, 3 TDS in LOve's 2nd quarter absence..He was 12 for 19, 80-90 yds in the other 3 quarters Love played..Huge difference, would ND have won if he played all game...HELL NO..No one  is saying that..and no one  is saying the best team didn't win the championship...Clemson is the best team by far...KUDOS to them..



   
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The game last night provided justification for a larger pool of participants. ND actually played better against Clemson than Alabama did. Based upon how the game was a blowout, one could argue that Alabama didn’t deserve a spot. But considering the Crimson Tide was undefeated, they had to be put in. I do think other teams were better than Alabama but  based upon the current set up, not deserving of entry into the tournament. By adding more teams, this issue would have been resolved. Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson. 

Maybe the real story is that the SEC is overrated. 

I don't know how you come to that conclusion. The scores were identical but Clemson literally called the dogs off in the 3rd quarter and played backups for parts of the game. Alabama and Clemson had roughly the same amount of yards, while ND barely made it past mid-field most of the game.

Clemson won the game due to phenomenal goal-line defense. Alabama had the ball down inside the 10 something like 5-6 times and only came away with 9 points to show for it. Anyone watching both games could see ND isn't in either team's league. Clemson just ran away with it against Alabama, but ND couldn't even move the ball against Clemson's backups.

"Ohio State, Florida, Michigan, and UCF, are all teams that may have been better than Alabama and possibly could have beaten Clemson." UCF lost to Georgia, Florida didn't win the SEC (Alabama did), and Michigan got pummeled by Florida. Kinda weird to say the SEC is overrated and then give 2 examples (UCF, Michigan) of teams that lost to SEC teams and the other placed (Florida) 2nd in their SEC division as "teams that would beat Alabama"?

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UCF lost to LSU. UGA lost to Texas.  Roam, no offense buddy but if that's you in front of the computer, you may want to consider a shave.

Yeah, I noticed my mistake too late and couldn't change it. But my message was the same, if Sky thinks yesterday's game proves Alabama can be beat by UCF... Well then I don't know what games he is watching but "Okay"

My favorite is his usual "let me put up a picture" due to lack of facts to back up anything he says. I mean, yeah sure Michigan can beat Alabama... Why not? They only lost to a team in Alabama's conference by 41-15. Seems legit. It couldn't just mean Clemson is that good, right? Has to mean Alabama must stink, LMAO.



   
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Thanks for bringing me up to speed CT. Love must be a fanstastic player. I didn’t realize he would have made such a difference in the offensive side of the ball too. Prior to this game, I had never even heard of him. This was kind of a “Who’s Dan Morgan?” moment for me. ND would have lost with or without Love. Sorry. 



   
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