@the-funeral-director We’ll see when the playoffs get here and bowl season. If Michigan loses the big 10 sits home?
@the-funeral-director We’ll see when the playoffs get here and bowl season. If Michigan loses the big 10 sits home?
Most likely, yup. Iowa wouldnt jump up high enough and Michigan/Ohio State have 2 losses.
Ohio State's 2 loss CFP hope went up in smoke when Oregon got manhandled by Utah again. To be fair, there wasnt much hope anyway.
I said it all along, the committee won't put two SEC teams in over 1 loss power conference champions. Well, Oklahoma State lost so that's all gone now.
I'd probably be more upset that a team is going to get screwed over... but ND has gotten the benefit of the doubt so many times it really doesnt bother me as much as it should 🤣
ND had some very close calls early on in the season. If they were in a conference and played and won a championship game, their case to get in would be strengthened. Not a ND fan but I think they should be in the tournament and Georgia should stay home.
@sky why? Georgia lost in the SEC championship game to Alabama and ND lost at home to Cincinnati. ND sits at home watching playoff games and you think they should get rewarded, I don’t. It’s ND greed and it’s their own fault that they didn’t play in the ACC championship game.
@sky why? Georgia lost in the SEC championship game to Alabama and ND lost at home to Cincinnati. ND sits at home watching playoff games and you think they should get rewarded, I don’t. It’s ND greed and it’s their own fault that they didn’t play in the ACC championship game.
I agree. ND needs to be in a conference. If they played and won yesterday they would be in. I do think their early loss to the only undefeated team in the country is not the same as losing in a conference championship game. The committee will overlook Alabama’s loss to a mere average team.
@southern-psu-fan Its not fair southern, to hold NDs independent status against them..If any school found independent status more to their advantage, they'd sign up tomorrow...These schools have proven over and over again, its all about the money..BYU is independent, you never rail on them..
Ive said before, this committee is a joke...we all know how they work We all know now if Bama won, Ga was getting in even if they got manhandled which they did..Manhandled by a team that was one play away, a RB running out of bounds, from losing to 6-6 Auburn whatever their record is..Manhandled by a team that beat dysfuntional Fla by 2, manhandled by a team that came within a pass into the end zone, that fired their coach, LSU from another loss..a team that lost to 8-4 TA&M
THis is not to denigrate Alabama, which earned their way into the championship round..But how in God's green earth Ga is in, completely exposed the system.This is far from Nick Saban's better teams....Ga should not be in championship round, they muffed their chance..
Im not in the least upset ND is not in, because I turned off the TV last night, not only knowing the final 4, but knowing the order, the seedings..ND needed Bama to lose, and probably convincingly...Once Bama won, even if Cincy lost to go 12-1, they may have beaten out ND on account of head to head, which I would have had no problem with....There was no way Iowa was beating UM..
I think ND deserved in but in fairness, the committee over the years , has been fair to them..I really dont think this committee liked ND; too many hints..Unlike the AP/COACHES, they kept MSU ahead of ND after they were laced by Purdue, a team ND handled rather easily..They had OKla st jump ND last week AFTER a 4pt win over Oklahoma, nice win but it was at home, over a not great OkLA TEAM AND WAS AIDED AND ABETTED BY A MUFFLED PUNT....
BS. No one rails on BYU because the rules weren't written for them like Notre Dame. The BCS literally had a clause in it specifically for them, so they could get a BCS bowl over other teams if they were ranked 8th. They get special treatment and always have, nothing to do with being independent.
Every time they supposedly get screwed over is nothing compared to the many times they've screwed others over. FFS Jim Brown was denied the Heisman in favor of Paul Hornug, who was on a 2-8 team. ND honks still act like he deserved it. Lmao
I am no Notre Dame fan...Lord knows everything Roam has written above is true and factual...HOWEVER Georgia should never have been put in the CFP ahead of Notre Dame or even Baylor for that matter...In my opinion these conference title games are elimination games...You lose you're out...I don't give a shit about eyeball tests or any of the other elaborate machinations these people go through to put their sacred cows in...When was the last time Georgia won a big game? Sorry you lose and your out...This is why this thing has no credibility with me...It is all about the money...You wanna put the fix in and control a situation you set up a "commission or a committee" to look into it...How you know the fix is in is when everything becomes "complicated and complex"...This isn't rocket science...We ain't splitting the atom here...You got 4 slots available...All this eye test malarkey...Conference champs, undefeated non power 5 conference teams and Notre Dame if they are undefeated or have a loss...That's it...Everybody else is out...They muddy the water with this bullshit so they can maneuver in who they want...Plain and simple...And Yes ESPN has billions of reasons to want to push the narrative that the SEC and ACC are better than the other conferences...To think otherwise is naive...
@the-funeral-director FD my man, Michigan should handle Georgia then if you don’t think they should be in the playoffs because that means Georgia isn’t good enough to be in the playoffs. It’s never been about conference champs it’s about who they CFP committee thinks is the best 4 teams. Ain’t no dang way you’ll ever convince ole southern here that Cincinnati is better than Ohio St, Ohio St will kick the chit out of them if they played so that’s enough for me to know it ain’t about the best 4 teams it’s about who deserve it….period! Best 4 teams are Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St and Michigan but I guess Cincinnati deserves it lol give me a freaking break. Ain’t nobody on here would bet their money Cincinnati would beat Ohio St and y’all know it
The muddier it gets the less logical it is however as u said that’s the game of swinging the message in the opposite direction of where it should be going. However it is all e duress by the powers to be; sucks and will probably take legal action or damn near it becoming a reality fir it to change.
2 teams from the same conference should NEVER be in a 4 team playoff for a national championship EVER...There should be 4 differenct conferences or a non power 5 team or Notre Dame in the 4 team CFP...You made my point on the muddying of the water...This is simple and takes all the subjectivity out of it...You win you're in...You lose you're out...Georgia lost...They should be out...
@roaminglion AND, if any other school had that power, in the interest of the game, they , in the best interest of the system, would happily relinquish it .....LOL, sure they would...
For as many times, you could cite that ND ripped off someone, I could give you games they were ripped off.T his "conference refs" system should be abolished with national refs ..Its rife with corruptness..
FD I’m gonna have a shot of whiskey (Elijah Craig) just to calm my nerves down after reading and feeling your disdain for the current process.
@roaminglion AND, if any other school had that power, in the interest of the game, they , in the best interest of the system, would happily relinquish it .....LOL, sure they would...
For as many times, you could cite that ND ripped off someone, I could give you games they were ripped off.T his "conference refs" system should be abolished with national refs ..Its rife with corruptness..
Many teams could have the power that they have... LMAO, You don't think USC could go out on their own and have the same type of following Notre Dame has? Alabama? Of course they could.
Those schools would rather be part of a conference, and distribute revenues equally so that they are stronger with a group of like minded schools.
Texas, on the other hand, Consistently held the big 12 to ransom in order to get their way... Then abandoned that conference for a paycheck in the SEC.
I don't mind teams like Michigan, Ohio State, and USC because while they may act superior on the football field their administration doesn't act like it off the field and try to get different rules just for them.
Homer it is anti competition...This is supposed to be a national championship tournament not a popularity contest...You win you advance you lose you go home...As many conferences as possible should be represented...Anything less is anti competitive especially considering the weak out of conference schedule these 2 teams played and the lack of success the rest of their conference had when they played teams from other conferences...The games have to matter and right now they don't...Sometimes WHEN you lose is more significant than how many times you lost...Teams improve and some regress as the season moves along...As a guy who played and competed this really goes against everything I stand for...Line up and play...To discount conference champs like this system does is a crime...This is why I don't watch it...To me it's a farce...
To answer your question of Ohio State vs. Cincy...I don't gamble...But I sure as hell know one thing for sure...If Cincy never gets the chance to play we will never know...I guess you never thought UCF would beat Auburn either...Boise State would beat Oklahoma etc...Play the game and then we will know...What are you afraid of? One of these teams might beat a blue blood? I will bet you this...Cincy gives Bama a better game than Georgia did...And I wouldn't be shocked if Cincy don't win...Who did Bama beat this year? they all played with themselves again down there and when that conference traveled with their refs and all they still got beat...The truth is if you want real competition EVERY conference champ should be in, at least 1 non power 5 team and 2 at large teams...The smaller divisions do 16 teams so don't tell me you can't find 16 teams worthy of an invite to a national championship tournament...give me a break...8 teams should be the absolute minimum...
@the-funeral-director FD my man, Michigan should handle Georgia then if you don’t think they should be in the playoffs because that means Georgia isn’t good enough to be in the playoffs. It’s never been about conference champs it’s about who they CFP committee thinks is the best 4 teams. Ain’t no dang way you’ll ever convince ole southern here that Cincinnati is better than Ohio St, Ohio St will kick the chit out of them if they played so that’s enough for me to know it ain’t about the best 4 teams it’s about who deserve it….period! Best 4 teams are Alabama, Georgia, Ohio St and Michigan but I guess Cincinnati deserves it lol give me a freaking break. Ain’t nobody on here would bet their money Cincinnati would beat Ohio St and y’all know it
This coming from a guy that had ND #5 when Cincinnati beat them. Cincinnati could beat every team in the top ten and southern still wouldn't give them credit because the Bearcats sucked in 1989.
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His whole argument got blown apart by UCF a few years back...How do you justify calling Bama the National Champ when UCF went undefeated and beat the team that beat Bama...That exposed this whole deal for what it was and is...A farce...
His whole argument got blown apart by UCF a few years back...How do you justify calling Bama the National Champ when UCF went undefeated and beat the team that beat Bama...That exposed this whole deal for what it was and is...A farce...
"Beat the team that beat..."
We just saw in the SEC Championship that's not a good metric. Georgia absolutely curb stomped 3 or 4 teams that Bama struggled with this year... and the Alabama came out and beat Georgia's doors off.
In 2014 Virginia Tech beat Ohio State... and the also lost to 3-9 Wake Forest. OSU won the National Championship.
Not saying UCF getting left out was right, it absolutely was not. They should have been in the CFP. However, beating Auburn doesn't prove or mean they would have beaten Alabama. It would have been a nice game to watch though.
To repeat... If your point was that they should have been given a chance I absolutely agree... But if your point was they would have beaten Alabama than I disagree. I think they would have had a shot, but ultimately I believe Alabama would have won. It's a game I would have loved to watch though, and it's better to settle it on the field.
Inwas really thinking 8 teams but to make sure teams like Cincinnati and UCF get a shot we probably need a 16 team playoff system. FD, in wouldn’t want to be Michigan when they play Georgia and remember ole southern believe the dawgs will be NC’s this year Alabama won’t beat ‘em twice as bad as I hate to say it.
It's a moot point cause they don't belong...Why would you feel you are good enough or entitled to compete in a 4 team playoff for a national championship when you can't even win your own conference? Sorry but the whole thing is a sham...They got beat...They should be eliminated...
@the-funeral-director this is the 4 teams brother and you got your Cincinnati and Michigan in so they will be no excuses baby 😁
It's a moot point cause they don't belong...Why would you feel you are good enough or entitled to compete in a 4 team playoff for a national championship when you can't even win your own conference? Sorry but the whole thing is a sham...They got beat...They should be eliminated...
Because when they introduced the system they literally said that conference championships weren't all that mattered and teams that didn't win a conference were still considered.
If they said only conference champions mattered then no one would expect anything else
The bottom line is UCF did what Bama couldn't do and to throw more salt into the gaping wound they used a stupid argument that UCF couldn't compete with a team from the SEC...Guess what...They not only competed but they beat em...So the whole argument used to exclude them was exposed...The whole system was exposed that day as the sham it is...This is COMPETITION not a frickin beauty contest...You win you advance you lose you go home...Georgia lost...They should be going home...As I stated earlier...You want to advance an agenda create a "commission or a committee"...They don't need a committee or a commission...You have 5 conference champs, maybe an out of power 5 team worthy and Notre Dame...That is 7 possible teams...That is who is in the tournament...You pick your 4 teams from that pool...They are the best teams...They either went undefeated or won their conference title...At this time they are playing the best football as they advanced...This is a simple thing that they chose to complicate due to the fact that ESPN wants to control this thing for their own business interests...
