DA needs 20 pass plays in the first half against UCLA, see what he and the O do together. Start second half with adjustments, and then give Grunk the last two possessions of the 3rd and all of the 4th.
Na, ain't going happen.
I already stated in several post I don't give a rats a$$ if he plays or not. For 9 damn years we keep losing so I don't understand all you waxing poetic about "if only Grunk or Pribula was playing". What in the last 9 damn years makes you think this coaching staff is going to win with someone else?@roaminglion how bad does DA have to play before you get him off the field?
The coaches need to change or get the hell out. It is not the players, it is the people preparing the players. We didn't start losing big games when Allar showed up, we've been doing that long before he got here.
So you are telling me it's the coaching staff's fault and that a 3 year starting Senior 5* QB isn't to blame for folding under the pressure and turning the ball over in every big game he has ever played? I am not going to dispute your coaching point...I would have fired that OC Saturday night before midnight if I was the A.D. or Head Coach...but as the head coach I am for sure sitting that QB...He has done the same thing too many times...I just don't know what the coaches can do other than sit the kid because he does the same thing over and over again...To compare this team to past teams I think this is the most talented team top to bottom by far that Franklin has ever had at Penn State...The have experience, are very talented at all the key positions and have depth...The weak link on this team is the QB and he cost them that game Saturday night...I don't understand how you can't see that...I am gonna tell ya something...He is gonna do the same thing when they play at Ohio State...History says so...To ignore history means you are doomed to repeat it...
@roaminglion McSorely and Clifford was a better QB than Drew Allar. The defense DA was fortunate to have has kept him from having 10 more losses. We don’t beat Utah or Washington if DA was our QB and we also lose to Michigan.
And yet since 2016 neither of them could win a big game. And both lost to teams outside of the top 10.@roaminglion McSorely and Clifford was a better QB than Drew Allar. The defense DA was fortunate to have has kept him from having 10 more losses. We don’t beat Utah or Washington if DA was our QB and we also lose to Michigan.
I'm not sure what you are reading at this point because you keep arguing a point I am not making. I even just stated I don't care if Allar sits and I don’t think he is good.So you are telling me it's the coaching staff's fault and that a 3 year starting Senior 5* QB isn't to blame for folding under the pressure and turning the ball over in every big game he has ever played? I am not going to dispute your coaching point...I would have fired that OC Saturday night before midnight if I was the A.D. or Head Coach...but as the head coach I am for sure sitting that QB...He has done the same thing too many times...I just don't know what the coaches can do other than sit the kid because he does the same thing over and over again...To compare this team to past teams I think this is the most talented team top to bottom by far that Franklin has ever had at Penn State...The have experience, are very talented at all the key positions and have depth...The weak link on this team is the QB and he cost them that game Saturday night...I don't understand how you can't see that...I am gonna tell ya something...He is gonna do the same thing when they play at Ohio State...History says so...To ignore history means you are doomed to repeat it...
I have routinely stated the QB not being good is a symptom, not a reason. Because of this, thinking another QB will fix something is just delusional. History shows that to be the case.
In 12 years Franklin beat OSU once on a miracle play, and Mcsorley beat 2 top 10 teams. Ever. And as stated needed a miracle play to win one of them.
I can't say this any clearer.... for what seems like the millionth time... Allar is a symptom (i.e. he isnt good - but coaching is a reason he isnt) not a reason.
Thanks for your BS hypotheticals that means nothing.@roaminglion McSorely and Clifford was a better QB than Drew Allar. The defense DA was fortunate to have has kept him from having 10 more losses. We don’t beat Utah or Washington if DA was our QB and we also lose to Michigan.
I am glad you are happy beating teams in meaningless bowl games, and beating Michigan when they are a 5 loss team. How wonderful for you.
Your ridiculous takes that beating Michigan purely because they are a big name is somehow better than beating actual highly ranked teams is nonsense
Here is my belief of what I remember from the McSorley team...The problem with his tenure at Penn State was the O-Line was terrible and couldn't block anybody...I don't think the McSorley era had as good or complete of a team as the teams of the last 2 years had...I believe McSorley did benefit from the best OC Penn State has had in the last 10 years...The last 2 OC's in my opinion have been disasters...I thought the last guy was bad but this current guy is just as bad...As far as Clifford is concerned I think they were on a roll until he got hurt at Iowa...Once he got that injury the offense was really never the same...Again I think Clifford played behind an average OLine at best...Allar has a great OLine...3 portal WR's...2 of the best RB's in the country...NO excuses...I just think the teams the last 2 years and especially this team are the most talented teams Penn State has had in maybe 20 years...Truthfully I think Clifford in his last year or McSorley would take this team to a national championship...I believe they were both better QB's than this kid Allar is...I didn't say they were physically more talented but they were both better QB's...Allar is a great QB until crunch time and the pressure is on...Then he folds where the other guys excelled...I also think Homer brings up a great point regarding the booster and NIL money...I wonder how much money is being held back because they have lost faith in this guy Franklin...The only question is once you fire Franklin who will be interested in coming in to take over? You gotta make sure you can land your guy...But I am with you Roam...I think these guys got to go...
I’m gone keep this real baby. I don’t want to fire James Franklin until I see what he does the rest of the year. IMO James Franklin should be on the Ryan Day clock but if I decide to wa t Franklin gone would be if he doesn’t make moves to try and beat Ohio State and we all know what the move is, just try and see is all I’m asking. James Franklin put the team in position to get the wins against Ohio State inside the 5 yard line and our 5* QB choked and he put the team in position to beat ND and Oregon 2 times and our 5* QB choked. Game was close against Michigan but DA was t good enough to get in position to get the win just like the Ole Miss game. If he keeps DA on the field going forward (I'm being forgiveng) he needs to be fired if we lose at Ohio State! One more try but if we do the same stupid shit, we get the same stupid shit, it’s that simple!
Godwin, Dotson, Johnson, Hamler... all NFL WRHere is my belief of what I remember from the McSorley team...The problem with his tenure at Penn State was the O-Line was terrible and couldn't block anybody...I don't think the McSorley era had as good or complete of a team as the teams of the last 2 years had...I believe McSorley did benefit from the best OC Penn State has had in the last 10 years...The last 2 OC's in my opinion have been disasters...I thought the last guy was bad but this current guy is just as bad...As far as Clifford is concerned I think they were on a roll until he got hurt at Iowa...Once he got that injury the offense was really never the same...Again I think Clifford played behind an average OLine at best...Allar has a great OLine...3 portal WR's...2 of the best RB's in the country...NO excuses...I just think the teams the last 2 years and especially this team are the most talented teams Penn State has had in maybe 20 years...Truthfully I think Clifford in his last year or McSorley would take this team to a national championship...I believe they were both better QB's than this kid Allar is...I didn't say they were physically more talented but they were both better QB's...Allar is a great QB until crunch time and the pressure is on...Then he folds where the other guys excelled...I also think Homer brings up a great point regarding the booster and NIL money...I wonder how much money is being held back because they have lost faith in this guy Franklin...The only question is once you fire Franklin who will be interested in coming in to take over? You gotta make sure you can land your guy...But I am with you Roam...I think these guys got to go...
Barkley, a future HoF running back.
Multiple OL from 2017 on who are starters in the NFL.
2021 Clifford gets hurt. Even when he gets healthy, same results but I guess "we were never the same" whatever that means. Even the next year still couldn't win the big game but whatever. At least he got to play Utah who had their starters opt out and their QB injured so he could beat a top 10 team in a meaningless bowl. So I guess that proves something.
Franklin has the second worst record againt top 6 teams in the HISTORY of college football. Literally the second worst in 126 years of football. It is not one player, it is him. For whatever reason, it is him.
Even if Grunk is the answer and we start winning big games, THAT IS STILL ON FRANKLIN for not playing him. Thisncoaching staff just chokes against top 10 teams.
Even if Penn State goes out and wins the next two games 120-20, don’t believe the hype. Iowa will be the biggest indicator on how this team goes into Columbus. Iowa drug IU into the mud with them after they decimated Illinois.
@kularrow I understand what you saying and most of the time i would agree with you but 6 of 12 for 45 yards in the first half is who this dude is against the heavyweights that’s why we’re 0-7 under his watch. I saw this shit up close at the peach bowl and I come here and told everybody then we better get another QB this dude stinks. I know you remember me saying last year this won’t get better and the reason it won’t get better is because he’s not good enough for it to get better. Sometimes James Franklin misses and this is one of those times.
I love how rankings matter with you until they don't, because the name on the chest doesn't line up with who you think is good.@kularrow I understand what you saying and most of the time i would agree with you but 6 of 12 for 45 yards in the first half is who this dude is against the heavyweights that’s why we’re 0-7 under his watch. I saw this shit up close at the peach bowl and I come here and told everybody then we better get another QB this dude stinks. I know you remember me saying last year this won’t get better and the reason it won’t get better is because he’s not good enough for it to get better. Sometimes James Franklin misses and this is one of those times.
Utah sucked and the Pac 12 was soft... until you wanted to say we won a big game then magically Utah was great. SMU goes to the ACC championship game... but they don't qualify as a big win because.... well you say the rankings are now BS and don't count.
All the while never holding Clifford accountable for his 2022 $hitty play againt Michigan where he was god awful, nor his $hitty play against OSU when he threw 3 INTs including a game losing pick 6. ...but he did beat Utah! You know, that team from a POS conference you said sucked until you wanted to claim beating Utah was awesome. When kids opted out and their QB was hirt no less. What a winner Clifford was right?
I heard Rojas out for the season? hope it’s not true
@roaminglion DA stinks every game Clifford and McSorely didn’t. Are you saying you believe DA is better than Clifford and McSorely? Utah was PAC champs SMU wasn’t the champs of the ACC. The SMU and Boise State QB’s both out played DA our defense was just good enough to overcome it.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
And this is playing Nevada, FIU and Villanova the dude ranks 88th it’s worse than I thought.
Yes or no... aren't you the one who always says "this or that QB won 10 games" as if the QBs record means they were good?@roaminglion DA stinks every game Clifford and McSorely didn’t. Are you saying you believe DA is better than Clifford and McSorely? Utah was PAC champs SMU wasn’t the champs of the ACC. The SMU and Boise State QB’s both out played DA our defense was just good enough to overcome it.
Yes, you are. Funny your tune changed because you see how BS that is now I guess.
but, but, but you always said the Pac sucked and the ACC was good because Clemson and Florida State won national titles? I guess that's out the window now too. Lmao
@roaminglion the PAC did stink that’s why it ain’t here anymore but it was a P5 conference and Utah was the champs and we beat a P5 conference in the Rose Bowl. I told you last year this was going to happen and if we lose to Oregon the pitchforks would be coming out I could see this a year away. I don’t know if we can go into Columbus and beat Ohio State with Grunkenmeyer but if we start him Saturday and get him some real playing time we can get it done in the playoffs because the team is stacked with talent the QB is just killing everything we want to do on offense with DA. If we go out Saturday at UCLA and do the same shit, we get the same old shit that I do know. It’s time to turn the page!
Yes 10 wins was awesome and D-Clark, McSorely, MROB, Kerry Collins, Todd Blackledge, Shaffer, Kevin Thompson and Clifford all had big wins against the heavyweights. There’s probably a few more QB’s that had huge wins against the heavyweights these are just the ones a can remember without looking it up.
I am so done with this bullchit. Clifford had 0 big wins. Utah was not a big win, especially if SMU who was ranked higher than Utah AND IT WAS A PLAYOFF GAME, is somehow not a big win.Yes 10 wins was awesome and D-Clark, McSorely, MROB, Kerry Collins, Todd Blackledge, Shaffer, Kevin Thompson and Clifford all had big wins against the heavyweights. There’s probably a few more QB’s that had huge wins against the heavyweights these are just the ones a can remember without looking it up.
SMU lost to Clemson by a last second FG in the ACC Championship, a conference you have routinely said is better than the PAC. They had ALL OF THEIR PLAYERS. We beat them in the playoff. They were ranked in the top 10. Utah had opt outs. Their QB was injured. It was a meaningless bowl game. Your argument is effing ridiculous and complete nonsense
@roaminglion their QB got knocked out of the game by our stud defense that’s part of the game. We’ve knocked out a few QB’s over the years. If you bought that we beat SMU tea shirt that’s on you don’t get mad at me 😂 SMU and Boise shouldn’t have been in the playoffs and you know it.
Good lord not that old the PAC sucks and every team in the south is great bullshit again.
So the good ole "That team isn't a big name so they aren't good"@roaminglion their QB got knocked out of the game by our stud defense that’s part of the game. We’ve knocked out a few QB’s over the years. If you bought that we beat SMU tea shirt that’s on you don’t get mad at me 😂 SMU and Boise shouldn’t have been in the playoffs and you know it.
Just a question Southern... remember who won the Big Ten? Yeah Oregon. Remember who Oregon struggled to beat and almost lost to??? YEAH.... BOISE STATE. In fact, they had to kick a FG as the clock struck 0:00 to win.
But sure... Boise State sucked. They weren't good. Let me guess, "Oregon was a different team" or "Oregon got better" or some other f%#^ing nonsense that explains it away
