Does recruiting in state kids get more important because I’m thinking teams that recruit more out of state kids might lose out on more transfers if they’re not getting meaningful playing time? If it’s easy to transfer they’ll leave to get closer to home. I’m just looking at all the guys we’ve lost and most are leaving to get more playing time and get closer to home. We may can afford to lose some this year but if we lose this many every year IMO it will hurt us.
Does recruiting in state kids get more important because I’m thinking teams that recruit more out of state kids might lose out on more transfers if they’re not getting meaningful playing time? If it’s easy to transfer they’ll leave to get closer to home. I’m just looking at all the guys we’ve lost and most are leaving to get more playing time and get closer to home. We may can afford to lose some this year but if we lose this many every year IMO it will hurt us.
I doubt it... Most of the kids leaving are within driving distance of Penn State. I doubt there is much difference between a kid from Washington DC (3 1/2 hours) and a kid from Pittsburgh (2 1/2 hours).
Most kids on the transfer portal come from within 5 hours of campus
Will teams like Alabama, Ohio st, Texas, Georgia that recruit mostly in state kids have an advantage because their players are already at home so that would be one less reason to leave? Just looks like we lost more transfers than most other big schools. Maybe we didn’t I just pay more attention to penn st lol
Will teams like Alabama, Ohio st, Texas, Georgia that recruit mostly in state kids have an advantage because their players are already at home so that would be one less reason to leave? Just looks like we lost more transfers than most other big schools. Maybe we didn’t I just pay more attention to penn st lol
Not sure what rosters you are looking at, but some of those schools have less in-state kids on their team than we do.
Alabama only had 39 players from in-state. OSU and PSU have always been pretty close to each other on in-state recruiting, and currently Ohio State had 50, while we had 48. Notre Dame had 7. Oklahoma had 28.
I'd imagine Texas and Georgia are probably at 60+ for their kids, but that's because Georgia and Texas have a tremendous amount of recruits. Much more than Pennsylvania, Ohio, or Alabama. In the end, Penn State probably has just the same amount of kids coming in from a radius around campus as Georgia and Texas. Why? Because Georgia is 12,000 square miles larger than PA, and Texas is 220,ooo square miles larger.
I mean, sure there are plenty of kids from Texas on the Longhorn roster... but that doesn't mean they are "close" to Austin. As I said, a kid from Maryland, Washington D.C., NJ, some parts of NY, and even Virginia are just as close, or in many cases even closer to our campus than some kid playing in Houston, Dallas, or Western Texas is to the Longhorn's campus.
I think you should really look at the surrounding areas from State College, and not just the state. NY, NJ, PA, Maryland, Washington D.C., have long been recruiting areas for Penn State and are more than close enough that any kid is close to home.
i don’t think George Ohio st and Texas are having this many to transfer are they? I’m not really all that concerned about this year but if this keeps happening every year it will start to hurt the depth of the team. Is it true you can only sign 25 a year Roam? If so what if a team has 25 Sr and then the team has 10 guys that want to transfer? That’s 35 and a team can only sing 25 that means you’d be without 10 scholarship players? Sorry about all the questions I just don’t know all the rules. It just looks like a bunch of transfers can really hurt the depth of the team.
25 a year, but there are ways around it. You can count players towards last year's class, and sometimes the next year as well.
I believe transfers don't count, so you can bring in them too. Also, usually one or two walk ons earn a schollie.
Georgia has has three 5* QBs transfer in the past two years, so they aren't immune either. Justin Fields is from Georgia, but that didn't keep him there
I appreciate the discussion on the number of transfers and the speculation on the reasons for a kid wanting to transfer. Also, I'm sure every school is facing this same issue to a lesser or greater degree than us. I don't like the new rules and firmly believe this free agency movement is bad not only for the schools, but also for the individual athletes and ultimately for the game of college football. It is what it is, but sad to see.
Just lost another OT transferring to Virginia and the article on pennlive said he would compete for the starting job lol. I’m with Roam maybe these guys are leaving because they’re not good enough to start but they’d still be better than true freshman playing because they would have some experience. I’m with you bob I hate this new rule lol. I don’t like a whole lot of changes but I’ll get use to it. Thanks Roam for explaining buddy but if this keeps up we’ll need 35 instead of 25 lol
One possible explanation for the large number of Portal entrants from Penn State is the "quality" of the recruit. Now, I am not saying anything derogatory about these players - but still coming off of sanctions the team was happy to get who they could get. They all might be listed as 4 star players, but within that ranking, I'm sure one can find huge differences from one end of the scale to the other. Now that Franklin is recruiting "at a higher level" then previously. That's why IMO that more players from Penn State are looking to transfer out - they will not be starting due to better talent now on the squad. I foresee the number of Portal Entrants lowering each and every year after this year.
One possible explanation for the large number of Portal entrants from Penn State is the "quality" of the recruit. Now, I am not saying anything derogatory about these players - but still coming off of sanctions the team was happy to get who they could get. They all might be listed as 4 star players, but within that ranking, I'm sure one can find huge differences from one end of the scale to the other. Now that Franklin is recruiting "at a higher level" then previously. That's why IMO that more players from Penn State are looking to transfer out - they will not be starting due to better talent now on the squad. I foresee the number of Portal Entrants lowering each and every year after this year.
I like your theory, Bob. I hope you're right about the numbers decreasing over time.
Just saw on another site that OL Gellerstat is transferring to Virginia - hasn't had much playing time as of yet, but will have his degree this spring and would be competing for Bates's spot on the line - maybe he knows he can't beat the competition, and will get true playing time at different school.
Just saw on another site that OL Gellerstat is transferring to Virginia - hasn't had much playing time as of yet, but will have his degree this spring and would be competing for Bates's spot on the line - maybe he knows he can't beat the competition, and will get true playing time at different school.
Pretty much the same for everyone transferring except Juwan Johnson. Though JJ's starting opportunities would have most likely dwindled next year too.
Let's be real here...this isn't about where the team is located. It's all about playing time.
Every D1 recruit has come in thinking that he's on his way to the next level, so not getting to play hurts that dream. The transfer portal is just helping the kids find new ways to pursue that dream. And the push to allow that is seemingly just an extension of the "give everyone a trophy" culture they grew up in.
On the one hand, I understand the argument that if coaches can leave at the drop of a hat, then why aren't kids equally able to do so. That's a fair argument.
But I also recognize things like commitment and team and follow through. And I've learned that some of the things that have made me better are fighting through the adversity and not jumping ship.
In the end, I worry that this easier transfer not only hurts college football but also some of the kids who take advantage of it. For every Russell Wilson, there are likely to be others who transfer for no good reason and who simply learn to evade challenge.
Let's be real here...this isn't about where the team is located. It's all about playing time.
Every D1 recruit has come in thinking that he's on his way to the next level, so not getting to play hurts that dream. The transfer portal is just helping the kids find new ways to pursue that dream. And the push to allow that is seemingly just an extension of the "give everyone a trophy" culture they grew up in.
On the one hand, I understand the argument that if coaches can leave at the drop of a hat, then why aren't kids equally able to do so. That's a fair argument.
But I also recognize things like commitment and team and follow through. And I've learned that some of the things that have made me better are fighting through the adversity and not jumping ship.
In the end, I worry that this easier transfer not only hurts college football but also some of the kids who take advantage of it. For every Russell Wilson, there are likely to be others who transfer for no good reason and who simply learn to evade challenge.
A graduate student transferring has nothing to do with participation trophies, not wanting to fight through adversity, or any other nonsense...
Many of them WILL NOT PLAY. If you want to go to the NFL, you have to play and get an opportunity. Staying on a team where you won't ever play is just stupid if you are trying to get to the NFL.
People leave jobs all the time. They move to a place where they have better job opportunities... Yet many fans hold these kids to higher standards. Which is crazy. Imagine telling a salesman that he should "fight through the adversity" if his boss sucks and he hasn't been promoted in forever. All when another company offers him a bump in pay and higher prospects. It's absurd.
I think we're all in agreement that a grad transfer is a different animal in regards to a kid that transfers after two years because he cant break into the starting lineup. Realistically, how many kids that cant start for their original teams, transfer to other teams and then go on to sign an NFL contract?? I get that its a tough wake-up call for some of these young men and some may be in denial about their NFL chances. But, there's gotta be a time when they realize that football may be their life, but it will never be their livelihood.....in which case a transfer wont solve anything. There's a thing called NFL talent, some guys have it; most of us dont.
Am I the only one that is looking at our class of '19 signees and wondering who will be entering the transfer portal in two years??
Let's be real here...this isn't about where the team is located. It's all about playing time.
Every D1 recruit has come in thinking that he's on his way to the next level, so not getting to play hurts that dream. The transfer portal is just helping the kids find new ways to pursue that dream. And the push to allow that is seemingly just an extension of the "give everyone a trophy" culture they grew up in.
On the one hand, I understand the argument that if coaches can leave at the drop of a hat, then why aren't kids equally able to do so. That's a fair argument.
But I also recognize things like commitment and team and follow through. And I've learned that some of the things that have made me better are fighting through the adversity and not jumping ship.
In the end, I worry that this easier transfer not only hurts college football but also some of the kids who take advantage of it. For every Russell Wilson, there are likely to be others who transfer for no good reason and who simply learn to evade challenge.
A graduate student transferring has nothing to do with participation trophies, not wanting to fight through adversity, or any other nonsense...
Many of them WILL NOT PLAY. If you want to go to the NFL, you have to play and get an opportunity. Staying on a team where you won't ever play is just stupid if you are trying to get to the NFL.
People leave jobs all the time. They move to a place where they have better job opportunities... Yet many fans hold these kids to higher standards. Which is crazy. Imagine telling a salesman that he should "fight through the adversity" if his boss sucks and he hasn't been promoted in forever. All when another company offers him a bump in pay and higher prospects. It's absurd.
I respectfully disagree Roam. If a kid transfers because he's not good enough to earn playing time at a particular school, he's also probably not good enough to make the NFL.
I've been wondering the same thing TSUGA.
Here's something else to ponder: There are a scant few bench players from Clemson and Alabama that have entered the transfer portal. Are they honoring their commitment or are they just stupid?? Maybe they dont have NFL aspirations?? That's gotta be it.....right??
Let's be real here...this isn't about where the team is located. It's all about playing time.
Every D1 recruit has come in thinking that he's on his way to the next level, so not getting to play hurts that dream. The transfer portal is just helping the kids find new ways to pursue that dream. And the push to allow that is seemingly just an extension of the "give everyone a trophy" culture they grew up in.
On the one hand, I understand the argument that if coaches can leave at the drop of a hat, then why aren't kids equally able to do so. That's a fair argument.
But I also recognize things like commitment and team and follow through. And I've learned that some of the things that have made me better are fighting through the adversity and not jumping ship.
In the end, I worry that this easier transfer not only hurts college football but also some of the kids who take advantage of it. For every Russell Wilson, there are likely to be others who transfer for no good reason and who simply learn to evade challenge.
A graduate student transferring has nothing to do with participation trophies, not wanting to fight through adversity, or any other nonsense...
Many of them WILL NOT PLAY. If you want to go to the NFL, you have to play and get an opportunity. Staying on a team where you won't ever play is just stupid if you are trying to get to the NFL.
People leave jobs all the time. They move to a place where they have better job opportunities... Yet many fans hold these kids to higher standards. Which is crazy. Imagine telling a salesman that he should "fight through the adversity" if his boss sucks and he hasn't been promoted in forever. All when another company offers him a bump in pay and higher prospects. It's absurd.
I respectfully disagree Roam. If a kid transfers because he's not good enough to earn playing time at a particular school, he's also probably not good enough to make the NFL.
Baker Mayfield initially started at Texas Tech, but lost his job due to injury to another freshman. He transferred to Oklahoma, won the Heisman, and became the overall first pick in the draft.
Cam Newton was a backup to Tim Tebow. He left and went to JUCO and then Auburn where he won the Heisman and has gone on to be the NFL MVP.
Russell Wilson transferred because his coach became mad at his baseball stuff, and hinted that Mike Glennon would start over him. He had an unbelievable year at Wisconsin and later won a Super Bowl.
Jeff Hostetler was going to ride the bench at Penn State, and left to start at WVU. He later won a Super Bowl while Blackledge became an announcer.
Troy Aikman lost his job at Oklahoma to a true freshman that won the National Title. He would never had played at Oklahoma, unless the other kid got hurt. Hall of Famer in the NFL
Nick Foles would have sat the bench at Michigan State with Brian Hoyer as QB. Transferred to Arizona, made it to the NFL, and won a Super Bowl.
Those are but a few examples. I'm sorry, but "they aren't good enough to play in the NFL" is just nonsense when you look at how many players transferred due to playing time and went on to NFL careers. Joe Flacco transferred to Delaware for playing time... won a Super Bowl. Joe Burrow will possibly be drafted, and if not will definitely be picked up by someone as an UFA. Never would have had the chance at Ohio State. The list goes on and on, and those are just the QBs.
Roam, do you know or have a list of non-QB's that transferred and made it to the NFL?? I think we can all agree that QB's are a different animal. Anyway, if anyone can find it.....you can!!
Thanks Bud
Roam, I can't argue with the examples you cited, but I really feel they're exceptions to the rule. There are always exceptions, that's why I said probably not good enough to make the NFL Also, as TSUGA points out - They're all QB's.
Roam, I can't argue with the examples you cited, but I really feel they're exceptions to the rule. There are always exceptions, that's why I said probably not good enough to make the NFL Also, as TSUGA points out - They're all QB's.
I even said in my post that those were just "some" examples, and that they were only the QBs.
However, even using that logic what's your point? That because only some kids were good enough for the NFL, and all of them just happened to be QBs, that them being outliers is justification for keeping everyone else from transferring?
Roam, do you know or have a list of non-QB's that transferred and made it to the NFL?? I think we can all agree that QB's are a different animal. Anyway, if anyone can find it.....you can!!
Thanks Bud
In the past, there weren't many direct transfers outside of QBs...
However, I'm sure you are all aware of the massive amounts of JUCOs who have made it to the NFL. Many of those players started out at P5 schools, transferred to a JUCO for a year, and then transferred to another P5 school where they flourished.
Alvin Kamara was once at Alabama, then went JUCO and ultimately UT. Now a Pro Bowler.
Kamara's story is a good one, because it shows why you don't see many non-QB direct transfers in the past. He wasn't allowed to transfer to another SEC school by Saban, so he decided to go JUCO in order to play. That happened a lot.
Charles Sims was a running back who transferred to WVU from Houston and went on to become a second round draft pick. CB Ryan Smith transferred from Utah to Florida and became an NFL draft pick in the sixth round. Randy Moss had other issues, but he was a transfer and had an amazing NFL career.
Hard to say how many kids could have transferred in the past and possibly made the NFL because the rules were different in there just weren't many transfers. As I said though, there's a long list of JUCO players in the NFL and a lot of them became JUCOs after transferring out of their first FBS school before transferring to their second FBS program from a JUCO.
Thought this was interesting.
http://www.fauowlsnest.com/data/attachment.php?id=312&for_session=11e34
Nice link Navy...
It's cool to feel different, I just don't subscribe to the notion that transferring is "quitting". I think there are plenty of legitimate reasons an 18, 19, or 20 year old may want to do so.
It's not just football either, in the last 30 years the amount of jobs a person will have in their lifetime has increased as well. Many people in almost every vocation are moving from company to company, or even sometimes to new vocations altogether. Seems like the new normal
