If Penn State get's man handled tonight this could be the beginning of the end for JF. I see NO reason for the Lions to get blown out or to be non competitive against this Buckeye team. Yes, a bad loss against Indiana, some really key players missing ( that we all thought would be playing the season) and some talented freshman with one college game experience isn't ideal to head into this game. But this is still a good Penn State team. The only reason for this game to get ugly is coaching and I truly believe that.
Last weeks game was pretty much a train wreck (in the first half) and ended with a multiple car pile up at the end! I don't know what all of your opinions are about Bill Obrian, but when he took over PSU he had a pretty crippled roster. But if you look at what HE did, and if we could back to my posts back then, I believe Bill O had the lead in just about every game at one point or another....all but one game if I remember correctly. He just didn't have enough depth to close out or finish a game. JF has way more talent and way more depth heading into tonight's game.
I am telling you all, a good football coach could have this PSU team ready to go and be in this game at the end of night. I hope Franklin is this coach!!!!
I like Penn State by 7 when the dust settles! And that means Franklin has to call a smart game. No Will Levis in at QB for a trick play here and there, make some passes down field, not running the ball up the middle 3 times in a row between the exact same guard and tackle and for CRYING OUT LOUD, have several designed QB keepers with Clifford....Nebraska moved the ball just about every time they ran a QB keeper. This is not the best Buckeye defense we have ever played against!
GO STATE!!!
Brother, BOB had a roster with NFL talent all over the field even after the transfers. BOB would’ve had losing seasons in 2014 and 2015. I like BOB but he ain’t the college coach James Franklin is not even close. NFL is a different animal and that’s why I want my Falcons to get him.
Ya know all this talk about O’brian. First, he went to Penn State for 1 self serving purpose only, HIMSELF! He took a gamble that he could cash in on an NFL job if he accepted the PSU job and got away without anything catastrophic happening. That was his one and only reason for taking the job. He didn’t give a rats ass about Penn State. He came in with a NFL talent level roster and kept his head above water for 2 seasons and bailed. Now let’s talk about the coach. He knew his offensive line would pretty much all be gone, did he recruit to fill the gaps? NO!!! Everyone on this board since has been bitching about the O line since he left. That was because of BOB lack of foresight and planning. BOB did not have a crippled team or a recruiting sanctioned team. HE BAILED BEFORE IT TOOOK PLACE!! As Roam would say FFS!!!
Not saying that Franklin is the picture perfect coach but he has done a pretty damn good job and a better job than probably 90-95% of the other D1 coaches with having to manage around crippling recruiting sanctions.
Oh, 1 other thing, I give Mauti and the players more credit than BOB for the team getting through all that crap back then.
If Penn State get's man handled tonight this could be the beginning of the end for JF. I see NO reason for the Lions to get blown out or to be non competitive against this Buckeye team. Yes, a bad loss against Indiana, some really key players missing ( that we all thought would be playing the season) and some talented freshman with one college game experience isn't ideal to head into this game. But this is still a good Penn State team. The only reason for this game to get ugly is coaching and I truly believe that.
Last weeks game was pretty much a train wreck (in the first half) and ended with a multiple car pile up at the end! I don't know what all of your opinions are about Bill Obrian, but when he took over PSU he had a pretty crippled roster. But if you look at what HE did, and if we could back to my posts back then, I believe Bill O had the lead in just about every game at one point or another....all but one game if I remember correctly. He just didn't have enough depth to close out or finish a game. JF has way more talent and way more depth heading into tonight's game.
I am telling you all, a good football coach could have this PSU team ready to go and be in this game at the end of night. I hope Franklin is this coach!!!!
I like Penn State by 7 when the dust settles! And that means Franklin has to call a smart game. No Will Levis in at QB for a trick play here and there, make some passes down field, not running the ball up the middle 3 times in a row between the exact same guard and tackle and for CRYING OUT LOUD, have several designed QB keepers with Clifford....Nebraska moved the ball just about every time they ran a QB keeper. This is not the best Buckeye defense we have ever played against!
GO STATE!!!
Possibility of the hot seat, but I doubt it. He is liked at Penn state. He didn't seem to comfortable last week, look disgusted on the sidelines right from kickoff. Standing with arms crossed. Good luck tonight. I will be watching and I even landed a square brick oven pizza from Old Forge.
I get what you are saying to a certain extent. But, don’t all coaches take coaching jobs for themselves? Don’t we all? When you accept a job, are you doing it for the betterment of the employer or for your own growth and benefit? As for the OL comments, this is a tired mantra. BO’B had 15 scholarships to grant due to the sanctions. He did recruit big time OL players like Quentin Nelson And Mike McGlinchey (both NFL studs now), but they ultimately chose to go elsewhere. He was recruiting with both arms tied behind his back. We can’t continue to blame our mediocre OL on BO’B. It’s 6 years now since Franklin took over, the buck stops at him now. The underdevelopment of the OL, was possibly due to lack of development under Limegrover. Hopefully, Coach Trautwein can improve that. They certainly have recruited some highly rated OL players since Franklin arrived.
I like both BO’B and Franklin. Both have upsides, but both have big faults also. BO’B could have walked away when the sanctions were handed down. When he was hired, he was told there would be no NCAA sanctions only later to have that not be the case. He stayed, kept the program afloat and had some success. He beat Wisconsin two years in a row, including a game as a 21 point underdog on the road in Madison. In my opinion, a Paterno led PSU team would have lost that game. They would have played conservative and lost on the road as they did many times under Paterno in his last years. BO’B also beat Michigan (something Paterno struggled to do) and sliced and diced Iowa on the road (also an Achilles heel for Paterno). Those games, the team showed up prepared and ready to play with a good game plan. Now, the downside to BO’B was the bad losses to Ohio, UVA, and Indiana. When the DC, Ted Roof left, BO’B gave a guy a chance as a first time DC and it was a mistake, as he was in over his head and it showed in the beat down to OSU. All in all though, BO’B did a respectable job at PSU.
Franklin is a great ambassador for PSU and a really good recruiter, but is mediocre as a game day coach. PSU has one game every year where they come out flat, look unprepared, and lose to someone they have no business losing to (Michigan St x 2, Minny, Indiana). Until Franklin rectifies that and cleans up game day mistakes, PSU will win 10-11 games per year, but miss the playoffs. He also needs to land an elite QB to get over the hump. Justin Fields would have been that guy, but Franklin wasn’t able to keep him committed when the home state Dawgs came calling. It would be nice to get a big win tonight. Let’s go boys! Prove me wrong, James Franklin!
WE ARE......
I’ll also add that I think both were good hires for PSU at the times they were hired. I was critical of the BO’B hiring when it occurred, but realize the coaching search was probably severely hampered by the biggest scandal in college football and finding a coach to come to PSU at that time was probably a challenge. Franklin came in at the darkest depths of the sanctions as far as personnel was concerned, but his energy and optimism was exactly what the program needed.
I hear what you are saying and agree. Just also want to point out that Franklin stuck it out, he didn't cut and run after 2 years, and you can't overlook what he did at Vandy which was remarkable.
Some people have Bob on a pedestal like he was some kind of savior. I don't see it. He came, produced mediocre results enough to get visibility for a NFL coaching job and split. Period end of story, he did nothing extraordinary or spectacular IMO. And, I would NOT like to see him come back to PSU as a head coach, again just my opinion
@exesuwarrior95Dang sky that sounds amazing! What pizza place?
The other thing that gets my attention for BO’B is that the guys that played for him at PSU loved him. They always have positive things to say about him and McGloin credits him for his breakout senior season and his ability to make an NFL roster. I also think players love Franklin and he seems to relate well to college athletes. I just wish he would find a way to eliminate the uncalled for loss every season.
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Oooooh. A brick oven pizza. I’m jealous. Enjoy.
@navylion exactly the way I see it navylion. No way BOB has winning seasons 2014 and 2015 the OL was done.
@lionbacker99 McGloin IMO was good when bob got to penn st but he did make him better.
I don’t know about that. It’s all hypothetical and I give Franklin a ton of credit, but I’d take BO’B drawing up an offensive game plan over John Donovan any day and Hackenberg was much better under BO’B than Franklin. However, as I stated earlier, the guy BO’B made DC when Ted Roof left was in way over his head, so if he had remained as DC, then PSU wouldn’t have been able to stop anyone on D in those years. There were some rumors that BO’B was trying to get Mike Vrabel to come to PSU to coach the LBs and defense, so who knows? Again, all hypotheticals and water under the bridge. BO’B will get hired somewhere in the NFL. Maybe it’s your Falcons? He would probably work well with Matt Ryan.
Oh boy. Here we go again. McGloin was inconsistent and grossly undercoached before BO’B. Remember the 5 INT bowl game against a mediocre FL team that PSU should have won and probably easily would have won without the turnovers?
17-41 211 yards 1 TD 5 INTs.
good job Jay. 👍🏻
@lionbacker99 99, penn State was 8-1 McGloins Jr year only losing to Alabama before the BS scam scandal come down you’re thinking on 2010 when we still won 9 games with Mcgloin in a big time rebuilding year. Joe Paterno had the team built to compete for a NC in 2012 but chithead Jim Delany and mark Emmert had other plans. 8-1 baby ranked 12th if I remember right and McGloin was the QB. BTW BOB had NFL talent all over the field his 2 years at penn st and only won 1 more game than Donovan. Donavan honestly didn’t have much to work with and we still won 14 games with him while bob won 15 in 2 years. Jay had him good bob made him great. I say great and he was because to make it to the NFL you’re a great college QB.
I'll take JoePa and his 409 wins over O'Bien's 15 and whatever Franklin gives us when he retires, leaves or whatever. Given the fact the JoePa ain't available anymore, I'm happy with Franklin. IMO, he's done a good job. Yes he's made some bone head mistakes (I've called him every name in the book!), but hopefully he'll grow as he matures. As JoePa once said, "youth is a disease, but fortunately, it cures itself.
Let’s focus on tonight!! Come out strong. Put on a long drive offensively That ends in points. Shut Fields down on their first series and give the defense confidence that we are on the same level with them. Clifford needs to come out completing passes that he needs to make. And the oline needs to get a good push and open holes up for these young backs.
Yea and I don't feel good since we don't have home field advantage.
Joe had losing seasons.
This i a special season, some flu thing going on.
He has not had a team quit on him or embarrass the school.
They need to win enough to get a bowl game.
Joe's losing seasons were when Jaypa was recruiting coordintor - nepotism stuck again!
For some reason I see Bob winding up with the Jets. Talk about a train wreck, but it puts him back in the division he knows well.
That 8-1 2011 team was the most unimpressive 8-1 team I’ve seen outside of the 2012 ND team that went undefeated against cupcakes and then got smoked in the NC game. Jay mismanaged the offense big time in 2010 and 2011. He couldn’t make up his mind between McGloin and Rob Bolden. They were rotating back and forth. The 2011 Bama game you refer to was a huge clusterf*#k for PSU. If I remember correctly, PSU had to use all 3 of their first half timeouts on the first offensive drive. They were totally unprepared. Go back and look at McGloin’s stats. His completion percentage, yardage, TD:INT ratio, and QB rating all improved a lot under BO’B.
“That dude was an example of everything a coach should not be.” PSU LB Mike Mauti referring to Jay Paterno
Mauti said that? Probably shouldn't have. What is Jay doing today?
He did invent a good name for an offense, good marketing. 'HD Offense'?
@underlion don’t forget about the three big 10 championships the 11 win seasons and bowls wins, that’s what I do know he was part of regardless of what a players says. It was joes call on who started at QB but MROB, D-Clark and McGloin were pretty dang good.
What says a lot about that coaching staff was that despite the terrible QB play before him MRob only got to be a starter for one year.
@psujoe the exception of Bill Belichick nobody has the eye for football or is greater than Joe Paterno and even joe made mistakes. Joe admitted he should’ve played MROB at QB but said he needed him at other positions. I also remember MROB saying how much jay paterno helped him to become a great college QB just like D-Clark did. D-Clark was all Jay Paterno joe didn’t want to take a chance on him because of his grades and joe made him prove his self and it payed off and payed off for both Penn St and D-Clark. Even the greatest makes mistakes sometimes.
