I am curious what the majority of you think of this matter. Assuming (insert Tsuga joke here) conferences do not realign and stay roughly the same, do you see having a 16 team playoff format with all Conference Division Leaders getting into the playoff, rather than going head to head with the other division winner in your conference. So the 5 power conferences will provide 10 auto-bids to the playoffs, and the remaining 6 teams can be picked by W/L record and SOS.
Even incorporating/replacing the conference title games into to the playoffs like you suggest, that still adds 3 games to the top two teams. That is like a third of the current college team schedule. Do we really need a playoff and a champion? This is college ball, not the pros.
What is the point of a conference if 2 teams from it get auto bids? Some seriously undeserving teams would get in under that scenario.
I have a very quick and simple answer to this...EVERY other division in college football has a 16 team playoff system with one exception...The one exception is the division with the largest athletic budgets, private aircraft and best infrastructure to handle a 16 team playoff system...The FCS champion North Dakota State played 15 games...The team they beat in the finals Montana State also played 15 games...So if you're concerned about the athletes in the highest division in college football playing too many games and keep in mind the lower division teams played 15 then the solution is quite simple...I think the world can do without a top 5 team playing the citadel, Charleston Southern, Mercer, Arkansas State, Villanova etc...With an expanded playoff it would also eliminate the need for playing out of conference games at all...Play your conference schedule...Have your conference championship to determine the conference champion with those 2 teams in each conference securing a bid to the playoff...That is 10 teams...You take the top non power 5 team along with 5 at large teams...If the kids in the lower divisions can play 15 games there is no reason why the top division in college football can't do it...This whole situation shows you how weak and irrelevant the NCAA is...If I was in charge of the NCAA I would have a meeting with the conference heads and announce this is going to be how the NCAA playoff for the FBS is going to be done moving forward...If your conference chooses not to participate we will open your spot for another conference...You split the money's evenly between the schools and conferences...The NCAA needs to step in and dictate the rules here just like they do in every other NCAA sanctioned championship event...This really isn't that complex and should take a couple of days to set up...The answer is yes we really do need a playoff and a champion as there is a playoff and a champion in EVERY other NCAA sanctioned sport...That this is even an issue shows you how much money is involved and how corrupt the whole thing is...This issue is that you have one major network who controls this thing until it's contract is up along with 1 conference and a handful of teams controlling thing...Until they get this resolved and straightened out the FBS is and will be a farce...
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Could not agree more regarding top tier teams playing cupcakes. A 16 team tournament is doable.
I’ll take 16 teams but eight is enough. I believe the playoffs this year showed we don’t need 16 teams my goodness did you see what Michigan and Cincinnati got and these 2 teams were top 4. College football is not the NFL there’s 130 something schools and most of these schools depend on the money that the ncaa brings in. Clemson, Michigan State and Ohio St has got hammered as well in just a 4 team playoff so trust me a 16th ranked Ole Miss or Michigan St would get destroyed 8 teams would be enough just might be to many looking at the results from 2021
I’ll take 16 teams but eight is enough. I believe the playoffs this year showed we don’t need 16 teams my goodness did you see what Michigan and Cincinnati got and these 2 teams were top 4. College football is not the NFL there’s 130 something schools and most of these schools depend on the money that the ncaa brings in. Clemson, Michigan State and Ohio St has got hammered as well in just a 4 team playoff so trust me a 16th ranked Ole Miss or Michigan St would get destroyed 8 teams would be enough just might be to many looking at the results from 2021
All valid points. 16 would result in more good games and every once in a while a 16 will knock off a 1. Regardless, change is needed.
If they use 16 teams in EVERY other division in college football and it works it would seem to me that we don't need to reinvent the wheel here...Set up a 16 team playoff...Top 8 seeds host the lower 8 seeds and just work your way down to the finals on a neutral site...
@roaminglion They would be playing for seeding and hosting playoff games instead of traveling...It would mean a lot towards tournament seeding...
@the-funeral-director all the other divisions in football don’t bring in the money the heavyweights do. Nobody really cares about the other divisions and the heavyweights have been doing this system so long and has made all the big dawg colleges very rich while making a lot of players rich and got millions of kids college degrees. It ain’t broke it just needs tweaked to 8 games. Roam has the perfect setup that 99% of college football fan’s will love and we’d have a true NC. The drop off in talent after the top 8 teams is to big to have 16 teams imo
Have you ever watched the other divisions playoff games? This isn't about money...This isn't about getting kids college degrees...This is about COMPETITION...It is about allowing athletes to compete...This current "system" as you call it with the so called "big dawgs" isn't about competition at all...It is anti competition...Top 8 seeds play home games...Power 5 conference champs receive automatic top 5 seeds...Top non power 5 team gets the 6th seed...From there the power 5 championship game losers fill out the next 5 seeds...then the at large fill out the last 5 seeds...Top 4 seeds play home games all the way through to the finals if they win out...Highest seeds that win host the lower seeds...Simple concept...Lets see how these southern teams handle playing games up north in snow...Football is a totally different game when it's 20 degrees, 30 mile an hour winds and snow falling...The games have to matter and right now they don't...It's a beauty contest...
I'd love 16 teams (more football!), but I'd be ok with 8. Either would be a vast improvement over what we have now.
Semi OT, but it'll be a chilly game tonight in Buffalo. A balmy -5 here, not sure what the "wind chill" is. Too bad it won't be on Sun night when the snow rolls in too!
@the-funeral-director FD, Michigan and Cincinnati got man handled it wouldn’t be competitive with 16 teams brother it would be a waste of time. I know you want competition and so do I but it’s not there with 16 teams this isn’t college basketball where you have teams that could get an upset these teams like Arkansas would get the chit beat out of ‘em in a playoff and it would happen every year and then people would stop watching. When making changes these dudes don’t think about just next year they think about 10 years from now. When you get down to 4 or 8 team playoff these teams tighten their chit up and bring their A game just like NFL teams do in the playoffs. If you would’ve watched the Georgia/Michigan game you would know what I’m talking about. Like Roam said, Georgia could’ve beat Michigan worse if they wanted to the talent level was night and day and you could see it and Michigan was pretty dang good. Cincinnati couldn’t do chit on offense baby absolutely nothing on the Tides defense but Cincinnati did play pretty good on defense I’ll give ‘em that. 16 is to many maybe 12 at the most. Also money might not mean anything to the fans but it does to all the colleges that need that money to help other sports or they might have to cut out women sports all together and a few of men sports if they don’t get all that bowl money. College football is a different animal than college basketball or the smaller divisions in football. I’ll take 8 and see how that works for 10 years then look at it again to see if 16 is needed.
FD, I’m just giving my opinion on what I hear and then I try and connect the dots maybe I’m wrong and the schools don’t need the money but all I’ve ever heard is without football teams like Penn St and all the other teams couldn’t afford to have other sports especially women sports.
@roaminglion They would be playing for seeding and hosting playoff games instead of traveling...It would mean a lot towards tournament seeding...
Some 8-5 divisional winner has no business in a playoff.
Mandate 10 team conferences and play a round robin. No championship games, no rematches, if teams finished tied then tie-breaker rules apply.
Champs go to playoffs with wildcards chosen accordingly. Makes the regular season actually mean so much more.
@roaminglion I’d be satisfied to get 4 conference champs, I’ll even give in to the other non power 5, I just don’t like rematches.
I would buy in to the 10 team conference round robin regular season...You could even do 12 teams and do an 11 game regular season...I agree on making every game count...
Okay so who’s your ten team PSU conference?
Something needs to be done. The meaningless exhibition games need to go. PSU vs Villanova games need to go. Rules making NIL fair need to be established. Education needs to be brought back into the discussion.
I’ll take 16 teams but eight is enough. I believe the playoffs this year showed we don’t need 16 teams my goodness did you see what Michigan and Cincinnati got and these 2 teams were top 4. College football is not the NFL there’s 130 something schools and most of these schools depend on the money that the ncaa brings in. Clemson, Michigan State and Ohio St has got hammered as well in just a 4 team playoff so trust me a 16th ranked Ole Miss or Michigan St would get destroyed 8 teams would be enough just might be to many looking at the results from 2021
There you go again, creating your own reality! You continually try to push some nonsensical narrative that is not supported by anything but your own thoughts. For example, you say "ya'll saw what Cincy and Michigan got" what I saw was 3 games played with win margins of 15, 21 and 23 ponts. That is a 6-8 point differential of the outcome of all 3 games but you want us to believe Cincy and Michigan got pummeled like 40-0 or something! Oh and by the way, Ala lost by 15 to Ga, Cincy lost by 21 to Ala only a 6 point difference in those scores!
Oh yea, I forgot, the game was much different than the final scores or Cincy didn't want it as much or Ala was having an off day!
So here is some food for thought for you, well not actually food for thought, but documented facts, REALITY! Not some wild ass nonsensical notion!!!
Here is the 8 year history of the CFP, notice the point differential for each game:
2022
No. 4 Cincinnati 6, No. 1 Alabama 27 - 21 point differential
No. 3 Georgia 34. No.2 Michigan 11 - 23 point differential
No. 3 Georgia 33, No. 1 Alabama 18 - 15 point differential
2021
No. 1 Alabama 31, No. 4 Notre Dame 14 - 17 point differential
No. 3 Ohio State 49, No. 2 Clemson 28 - 21 point differential
No. 1 Alabama 52, No. 3 Ohio State 24 - 28 point differential
2020
No. 1 LSU 63, No. 4 Oklahoma 28 - 35 point differential
No. 3 Clemson 29, No. 2 Ohio State 23 - 6 point differential
No. 1 LSU 42, No. 3 Clemson 25 - 17 point differential
2019
No. 2 Clemson 30, No. 3 Notre Dame 3 - 27 point differential
No. 1 Alabama 45, No. 4 Oklahoma 34 - 11 point differential
No. 2 Clemson 44, No. 1 Alabama 16 - 28 point differential
2018
No. 3 Georgia 54, No. 2 Oklahoma 48 (2OT) - 6 point differential
No. 4 Alabama 24, No. 1 Clemson 6 - 3 point differential
No. 4 Alabama 26, No. 3 Georgia 23 (OT) - 3 point differential
2017
No. 1 Alabama 24, No. 4 Washington 7 - 17 point differential
No. 2 Clemson 31, No. 3 Ohio State 0 - 31 point differential
No. 2 Clemson 35, No. 1 Alabama 31 - 4 point differential
2016
No. 1 Clemson 37 No. 4 Oklahoma 17 - 20 point differential
No. 2 Alabama 38, No. 3 Michigan State 0 - 35 point differential
No. 2 Alabama 45, No. 1 Clemson 40 - 5 point differential
2015
No. 2 Oregon 59, No. 3 Florida State 20 - 39 point differential
No. 4 Ohio State 42, No. 1 Alabama 35 - 7 point differential
No. 4 Ohio State 42, No. 2 Oregon 20 - 22 point differential
So STATISTICALLY, in REALITY, NOT SPF FANTASY World, Michigan 2022, Ohio State 2021 , Oklahoma 2020, Notre Dame 2019, Alabama 2019, Ohio State 2017, Michigan State 2016, Florida State 2015 and Oregon 2015 all lost by a greater margin than cincy did this year. Aren't those your "BIG DAWG TEAMS?"
So if "we all saw what happened to Cincy" then surely those other 9 teams can't be "Big Dawgs" like you call them and deserved to be in the playoff!!!!
So why was Cincy less deserving of competing? 13 of the 24 CFP games were lost by a smaller margin thn cincy, 9 by a larger margin and 1 the same as Cincy. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!! So what was so telling in the SPF Fantasy mind?
Don't give me a wild ass fantasy opinion, give me facts. Facts are not the game was much different than the fina score, or Alabama wanted it more.
Pretty much a similar outcome of most years, FACT!!!!
I’ll take 16 teams but eight is enough. I believe the playoffs this year showed we don’t need 16 teams my goodness did you see what Michigan and Cincinnati got and these 2 teams were top 4. College football is not the NFL there’s 130 something schools and most of these schools depend on the money that the ncaa brings in. Clemson, Michigan State and Ohio St has got hammered as well in just a 4 team playoff so trust me a 16th ranked Ole Miss or Michigan St would get destroyed 8 teams would be enough just might be to many looking at the results from 2021
There you go again, creating your own reality! You continually try to push some nonsensical narrative that is not supported by anything but your own thoughts. For example, you say "ya'll saw what Cincy and Michigan got" what I saw was 3 games played with win margins of 15, 21 and 23 ponts. That is a 6-8 point differential of the outcome of all 3 games but you want us to believe Cincy and Michigan got pummeled like 40-0 or something! Oh and by the way, Ala lost by 15 to Ga, Cincy lost by 21 to Ala only a 6 point difference in those scores!
Oh yea, I forgot, the game was much different than the final scores or Cincy didn't want it as much or Ala was having an off day!
So here is some food for thought for you, well not actually food for thought, but documented facts, REALITY! Not some wild ass nonsensical notion!!!
Here is the 8 year history of the CFP, notice the point differential for each game:
2022
No. 4 Cincinnati 6, No. 1 Alabama 27 - 21 point differential
No. 3 Georgia 34. No.2 Michigan 11 - 23 point differential
No. 3 Georgia 33, No. 1 Alabama 18 - 15 point differential
2021
No. 1 Alabama 31, No. 4 Notre Dame 14 - 17 point differential
No. 3 Ohio State 49, No. 2 Clemson 28 - 21 point differential
No. 1 Alabama 52, No. 3 Ohio State 24 - 28 point differential
2020
No. 1 LSU 63, No. 4 Oklahoma 28 - 35 point differential
No. 3 Clemson 29, No. 2 Ohio State 23 - 6 point differential
No. 1 LSU 42, No. 3 Clemson 25 - 17 point differential
2019
No. 2 Clemson 30, No. 3 Notre Dame 3 - 27 point differential
No. 1 Alabama 45, No. 4 Oklahoma 34 - 11 point differential
No. 2 Clemson 44, No. 1 Alabama 16 - 28 point differential
2018
No. 3 Georgia 54, No. 2 Oklahoma 48 (2OT) - 6 point differential
No. 4 Alabama 24, No. 1 Clemson 6 - 3 point differential
No. 4 Alabama 26, No. 3 Georgia 23 (OT) - 3 point differential
2017
No. 1 Alabama 24, No. 4 Washington 7 - 17 point differential
No. 2 Clemson 31, No. 3 Ohio State 0 - 31 point differential
No. 2 Clemson 35, No. 1 Alabama 31 - 4 point differential
2016
No. 1 Clemson 37 No. 4 Oklahoma 17 - 20 point differential
No. 2 Alabama 38, No. 3 Michigan State 0 - 35 point differential
No. 2 Alabama 45, No. 1 Clemson 40 - 5 point differential
2015
No. 2 Oregon 59, No. 3 Florida State 20 - 39 point differential
No. 4 Ohio State 42, No. 1 Alabama 35 - 7 point differential
No. 4 Ohio State 42, No. 2 Oregon 20 - 22 point differential
So STATISTICALLY, in REALITY, NOT SPF FANTASY World, Michigan 2022, Ohio State 2021 , Oklahoma 2020, Notre Dame 2019, Alabama 2019, Ohio State 2017, Michigan State 2016, Florida State 2015 and Oregon 2015 all lost by a greater margin than cincy did this year. Aren't those your "BIG DAWG TEAMS?"
So if "we all saw what happened to Cincy" then surely those other 9 teams can't be "Big Dawgs" like you call them and deserved to be in the playoff!!!!
So why was Cincy less deserving of competing? 13 of the 24 CFP games were lost by a smaller margin thn cincy, 9 by a larger margin and 1 the same as Cincy. PLAIN AND SIMPLE!! So what was so telling in the SPF Fantasy mind?
Don't give me a wild ass fantasy opinion, give me facts. Facts are not the game was much different than the fina score, or Alabama wanted it more.
Pretty much a similar outcome of most years, FACT!!!!
Good read on the stats. Thanks
I don't gamble/bet, but, looks like some betting trends in the scores.
@navylion I said I believe, maybe I should’ve said IMO. Any time I say something and I can’t prove anything then I mean it’s my opinion. Unless teams play it’s all options anyway.
@navylion I said I believe, maybe I should’ve said IMO. Any time I say something and I can’t prove anything then I mean it’s my opinion. Unless teams play it’s all options anyway.
"Unless teams play it’s all opinions anyway"
You say things like this, but then say "If ND played Cincy today they woukd beat them" as a reason Cincy shouldnt be in the top 4. So they did play, and it still didnt matter to you.
Just be honest, at the end of the year you dont care who played who, or who beat who... you go by the eye test and the name on the chest. Ohio State? "They score points! Top 4!"
