Penn State Dark-hor...
 
Notifications
Clear all

Penn State Dark-horse Candidate for 2019 Playoffs?

42 Posts
7 Users
32 Reactions
1,553 Views
(@cavensprawl)
3-Star Recruit Admin
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 663

   
Quote
(@lakerie)
4-Star Recruit
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 1554
 

I hope so but PSU will need to play their best games against the usual suspects Ohio State, Michigan State and Michigan without any of what has become the normal head scratching play call at critical times. 



   
ReplyQuote
 RIP
(@rip)
Heisman Winner
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 3988
 

Why not?  With the talent that James has recruited, all we need is for the players to play up to their star ratings and for the coaches to coach up to the level they're being paid.  Then it should be very doable.



   
ReplyQuote



(@roaminglion)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 9264
 
Posted by: Bob Kozak

Why not?  With the talent that James has recruited, all we need is for the players to play up to their star ratings and for the coaches to coach up to the level they're being paid.  Then it should be very doable.

For this upcoming season I'm not worried about the defense at all. As the article says, they should be very, VERY, good. The DLine has all the makings to make a huge leap forward and the LBs will have experience and lots of talent. The DBs will be fine, especially with Reid back to form.

The offense? The RBs are not an issue, whoever takes the reigns should be very good and will have tons of talent behind them to push in practice and also contribute in games. TEs should also be a strengh with Kuntz taking a bigger role this year and Friermuth building upon a great freshman season. Not to mention the other TEs we have that are good.

The three concerns I have are QB, OL, and WR. In that order. First off, the QBs... Who knows what to expect, as Stevens has all the physical tools but has never really played in 1st team game conditions at the position. So basically, can he read a defense and feel pressure? Probably the best thing McSorley did was "feel" the pressure. He was great at manipulating the pocket and sliding when he needed to or just running. Hopefully Stevens has that presence. If not Stevens, than Clifford or others... And we just don't know anything about them.

Offensive line... I put this here because I think a standard drop back passer would have had some issues the past few years. As I said above, McSorley masked some protection issues we had and was able to slide or escape the pocket on his own. With the talent we've brought in and the new guys looking strong, I hope this unit finally becomes the great OL we've been waiting for. In 2014 they were awful, in 2015 bad, in 2016 below average, 2017 adequate, and last year average. Maybe that means they continue to get better and become above average for 2019. Every year they've gotten better, but it's just been a slow advance rather than a big jump.

Lastly, I expect the WRs to be much better next year. I hope new WR coach can make a difference in their focus and route running. To me, it wasn't just the drops last year but the routes weren't all that crisp. I felt it was a coaching issue and by mid-season was just waiting for the WR coach to be let go. This an Rahne calling some better plays, as it seemed like everything was deep or short. There were not many medium 10-20 yard passes.

 



   
RIP, lakerie, RIP and 1 people reacted
ReplyQuote
(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

I’m not worried at all about the QB’s. Stevens will be ready and I look for him to be all big 10 this year. If the RB’s step up and the WR’s catch the football which I think they will we’ll win the big 10 but I believe we’ll get the shaft again and not make the playoffs. Unless the big 10 champ goes undefeated I don’t see this scam committee putting the big 10 in especially if it’s penn st. If they leave Ohio st out it will be an uphill battle for any other team to make it unless they go undefeated and that’s going to be very hard to do? We had over 30 drops roam that was the biggest problems we had. Dropping td passes and interceptions and fake punts probably cost us 3 games and we lost 4


This post was modified 7 years ago by Southern psu fan

   
RIP and RIP reacted
ReplyQuote
 RIP
(@rip)
Heisman Winner
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 3988
 
Posted by: roaminglion
Posted by: Bob Kozak

Why not?  With the talent that James has recruited, all we need is for the players to play up to their star ratings and for the coaches to coach up to the level they're being paid.  Then it should be very doable.

For this upcoming season I'm not worried about the defense at all. As the article says, they should be very, VERY, good. The DLine has all the makings to make a huge leap forward and the LBs will have experience and lots of talent. The DBs will be fine, especially with Reid back to form.

The offense? The RBs are not an issue, whoever takes the reigns should be very good and will have tons of talent behind them to push in practice and also contribute in games. TEs should also be a strengh with Kuntz taking a bigger role this year and Friermuth building upon a great freshman season. Not to mention the other TEs we have that are good.

The three concerns I have are QB, OL, and WR. In that order. First off, the QBs... Who knows what to expect, as Stevens has all the physical tools but has never really played in 1st team game conditions at the position. So basically, can he read a defense and feel pressure? Probably the best thing McSorley did was "feel" the pressure. He was great at manipulating the pocket and sliding when he needed to or just running. Hopefully Stevens has that presence. If not Stevens, than Clifford or others... And we just don't know anything about them.

Offensive line... I put this here because I think a standard drop back passer would have had some issues the past few years. As I said above, McSorley masked some protection issues we had and was able to slide or escape the pocket on his own. With the talent we've brought in and the new guys looking strong, I hope this unit finally becomes the great OL we've been waiting for. In 2014 they were awful, in 2015 bad, in 2016 below average, 2017 adequate, and last year average. Maybe that means they continue to get better and become above average for 2019. Every year they've gotten better, but it's just been a slow advance rather than a big jump.

Lastly, I expect the WRs to be much better next year. I hope new WR coach can make a difference in their focus and route running. To me, it wasn't just the drops last year but the routes weren't all that crisp. I felt it was a coaching issue and by mid-season was just waiting for the WR coach to be let go. This an Rahne calling some better plays, as it seemed like everything was deep or short. There were not many medium 10-20 yard passes.

 

Good analysis Roam.  I like what I read.  I still think the key is the players and coaches performing up to their potential.  Also, I hope the new special teams coach (whoever Franklin hires) will be a huge upgrade for us.



   
ReplyQuote



(@roaminglion)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 9264
 
Posted by: Southern psu fan

I’m not worried at all about the QB’s. Stevens will be ready and I look for him to be all big 10 this year. If the RB’s step up and the WR’s catch the football which I think they will we’ll win the big 10 but I believe we’ll get the shaft again and not make the playoffs. Unless the big 10 champ goes undefeated I don’t see this scam committee putting the big 10 in especially if it’s penn st. If they leave Ohio st out it will be an uphill battle for any other team to make it unless they go undefeated and that’s going to be very hard to do? We had over 30 drops roam that was the biggest problems we had. Dropping td passes and interceptions and fake punts probably cost us 3 games and we lost 4

If the Big Ten champ loses 1 game and it's not a blowout they will get in.



   
ReplyQuote
(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

Since the big 3 hate each other it’s goi g to be very hard not to get blown out if a team gets you down. Georgia got blown out by LSU and they still got in. I told you last year it was going to be hard for the big 10 to get in and it will be even harder this year because I don’t see any team in the big 10 not losing 2 games. 



   
ReplyQuote
(@roaminglion)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 9264
 
Posted by: Southern psu fan

Since the big 3 hate each other it’s goi g to be very hard not to get blown out if a team gets you down. Georgia got blown out by LSU and they still got in. I told you last year it was going to be hard for the big 10 to get in and it will be even harder this year because I don’t see any team in the big 10 not losing 2 games. 

Big difference in getting blown out by a ranked team, and blown out by a team that finished 6-7. LSU was #6 in the nation, Purdue was unranked. This shouldn't have to be explained, those two games are way different



   
ReplyQuote



(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

We disagree on this roam because IMO you either win or you lose I don’t care how ugly the win is or how bad the loss is a win is a win and a loss is a loss. I can see it now 2 teams lose and both teams lose by 1 point then They’ll come up with some crap like which teams win looked better lol. How bout having to win something before you can get in the playoffs that way nothing can be a scam or be fixed and every team controls their own destiny and it takes everybody’s opinion out of it.



   
RIP and RIP reacted
ReplyQuote
(@roaminglion)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 9264
 
Posted by: Southern psu fan

We disagree on this roam because IMO you either win or you lose I don’t care how ugly the win is or how bad the loss is a win is a win and a loss is a loss. I can see it now 2 teams lose and both teams lose by 1 point then They’ll come up with some crap like which teams win looked better lol. How bout having to win something before you can get in the playoffs that way nothing can be a scam or be fixed and every team controls their own destiny and it takes everybody’s opinion out of it.

I'm sorry, but that's BS. Losing to Clemson is a lot different than losing to Rutgers. A loss is not a loss, it's nonsense IMO to say that both are equal because they were losses.

Of course losses are different, and so are wins. If not, than UCF was really national champions last year and you should stop saying the Pac 12 is "weak" if all wins and losses are the same. Undefeated MAC teams, or Sun Belt teams then should be national champs under this logic.

Context is important, teams can't be judged in a vacuum.



   
ReplyQuote
(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

Clemson got in losing to Syracuse so what’s the difference in losing to Purdue? We both know this scam wont let UCF in regardless of what they do. Syracuse and Purdue are both garbage teams yet Clemon gets in and Ohio st gets left out lol ain’t no way anybody will ever justify this garbage system to me we have  in college football. It’s a rigged  system all about money. Again I don’t think the games are fixed but I know who gets in is fixed 

 


This post was modified 7 years ago 3 times by Southern psu fan

   
ReplyQuote



(@roaminglion)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 9264
 
Posted by: Southern psu fan

Clemson got in losing to Syracuse so what’s the difference in losing to Purdue? We both know this scam wont let UCF in regardless of what they do. Syracuse and Purdue are both garbage teams yet Clemon gets in and Ohio st gets left out lol ain’t no way anybody will ever justify this garbage system to me we have  in college football. It’s a rigged  system all about money. Again I don’t think the games are fixed but I know who gets in is fixed 

 

I've explained this many times... Clemson lost by 2 points, Ohio State got hammered.

Stop focusing on one part of what I say and ignoring the other. BLOWN OUT BY A 6-6 TEAM. Not just lost to.

Clemson lost their QB in the game and barely lost. Ohio State got curb stomped 

And don't now talk about how Georgia made it and was blown out, because they were blown out by a RANKED TEAM.

Ohio State could get blown out by a ranked team and make it. They could lose to a 6-6 or 7-5 team and make it. What they can't do is get blown out by a 6-6 team. Can't do both.

By the way... Ohio State lost to 6-6 VT in 2014 and made the playoff, which proves my point. Just don't get blown out.



   
ReplyQuote
(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

im Focusing on the big 10 champions getting the shaft for the last 3 years when’s it arguably been the best conference. This scam committee is taking teams  (Alabama)  that lose the last game of the year and doesn’t win the conference , taking teams (Ohio st)that lose to a conference champ penn State and taking teams (ND) that doesn’t even play in a conference championship game when out of their own mouths said winning your conference championship is the most important thing you can do to get in the playoffs but when penn  st won the championship over Ohio st they changed their minds saying we’ll we don’t like the way they lost lol....it’s a scam all about money and making sure they decide who gets in not who deserves to get in. The funeral director is 100% right it’s all about Money and who gets the money that’s why we both know they’ll never let UCF get in regardless of what they do.



   
ReplyQuote
(@roaminglion)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 9264
 
Posted by: Southern psu fan

im Focusing on the big 10 champions getting the shaft for the last 3 years when’s it arguably been the best conference. This scam committee is taking teams  (Alabama)  that lose the last game of the year and doesn’t win the conference , taking teams (Ohio st)that lose to a conference champ penn State and taking teams (ND) that doesn’t even play in a conference championship game when out of their own mouths said winning your conference championship is the most important thing you can do to get in the playoffs but when penn  st won the championship over Ohio st they changed their minds saying we’ll we don’t like the way they lost lol....it’s a scam all about money and making sure they decide who gets in not who deserves to get in. The funeral director is 100% right it’s all about Money and who gets the money that’s why we both know they’ll never let UCF get in regardless of what they do.

But they never said winning the conference was the most important thing, just one of their metrics. I agree the system is flawed but people on the committee didn't set up the system, nor are they corrupt.

The system itself just sucks. 



   
ReplyQuote



(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

When they put this thing together they did say winning the conference championship and head to head was the #1 thing they would go by and we did both against Ohio st and we still got left out. Ain’t no doubt in my mind had Ohio st beat us in 2016 and won the conference with 2 losses and  we had 1 loss they would’ve taken  Ohio State. You seen what happened to Art briles when he called these crooks out they started coming up with ways to get him out and they did. These crooks can’t be trusted roam and some light has come out on these crooks that’s why Jim Delany and Mark Emmert are in hiding. Heck they all but blackmailed penn st into taking the unwarranted and unjustified death penalty sanctions and they got caught that’s the only reason they dropped the sanctions and give the wins back that they tried to steal. These are some VERY nasty people roam and they can’t be trusted and it’s showing.



   
RIP and RIP reacted
ReplyQuote
(@culture-thrives)
2-Star Recruit
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 354
 

Southern, my man, you raise a lot of good points, this playoff stuff isn't one of them, nor your strong suit

You need to get out of your head, the CPF committee is fraudulent or crooked, they are not..They are simply, year in and year out, trying to determine the 4 best teams..Conference affiliation, conference standings , conference championship games, also need to be eradicated from your thinking..

If it will help, put yourself in the shoes of an AP writer who votes in the weekly AP poll..Week in and week out, they list who they think are the top 25 in the country..Conference affiliation means nothing to them they  simply fill  out a ballot..Their top 4 was the same as the CFP Committee, I would hazard  a guess most years it is, but haven't done A STUDY..Just about every analyst I heard, had no problem with this year's top 4, and I think most agree on every years top 4 

It wouldn't bother me if the CFP Committee was abolished, and the writers selected the teams..I think most years , the AP poll is right on..A lot of time, and expenses could be avoided..



   
ReplyQuote
(@roaminglion)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 9264
 
Posted by: Southern psu fan

When they put this thing together they did say winning the conference championship and head to head was the #1 thing they would go by and we did both against Ohio st and we still got left out. Ain’t no doubt in my mind had Ohio st beat us in 2016 and won the conference with 2 losses and  we had 1 loss they would’ve taken  Ohio State. You seen what happened to Art briles when he called these crooks out they started coming up with ways to get him out and they did. These crooks can’t be trusted roam and some light has come out on these crooks that’s why Jim Delany and Mark Emmert are in hiding. Heck they all but blackmailed penn st into taking the unwarranted and unjustified death penalty sanctions and they got caught that’s the only reason they dropped the sanctions and give the wins back that they tried to steal. These are some VERY nasty people roam and they can’t be trusted and it’s showing.

Sorry Southern, but you are wrong. The committee never said winning the conference was the most important thing. Ever. You are just plain wrong. If they had, it would mean only conference winners would make the playoff. When the committee was set up, they made one and only one thing clear: The best 4 teams would make the playoff, not the best 4 champs.

Never said it, you're wrong.



   
ReplyQuote



 RIP
(@rip)
Heisman Winner
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 3988
 
Posted by: Culture Thrives

Southern, my man, you raise a lot of good points, this playoff stuff isn't one of them, nor your strong suit

You need to get out of your head, the CPF committee is fraudulent or crooked, they are not..They are simply, year in and year out, trying to determine the 4 best teams..Conference affiliation, conference standings , conference championship games, also need to be eradicated from your thinking..

If it will help, put yourself in the shoes of an AP writer who votes in the weekly AP poll..Week in and week out, they list who they think are the top 25 in the country..Conference affiliation means nothing to them they  simply fill  out a ballot..Their top 4 was the same as the CFP Committee, I would hazard  a guess most years it is, but haven't done A STUDY..Just about every analyst I heard, had no problem with this year's top 4, and I think most agree on every years top 4 

It wouldn't bother me if the CFP Committee was abolished, and the writers selected the teams..I think most years , the AP poll is right on..A lot of time, and expenses could be avoided..

I don't know why you would want to return the process to the AP writers.  How many teams do you think they actually see play?  Any time you have polls decide the outcome it is a real popularity contest.  I agree with Southern in that I think the current system is corrupted by people exercising undue influence over the committee and therefor the outcome of the process.  Moreover, the only ones who would benefit from ignoring conference championships would be independents such as Notre Lame.  

 



   
ReplyQuote
(@culture-thrives)
2-Star Recruit
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 354
 

Because, I think the writers do about as good a job as humanly possible, as getting it right...Are you and southern saying the 65 writers or so, who vote in the AP, are part of the scam, they are fraudulent and crooks too?  Sorry, Im not buying..I think the writers, by and large, do an excellent job of getting it right..

People also need to get over the Fact ND is not in a conference..they never have been in one, don't intend to be in one, and they aren't the only team without  a conference affiliation.If conferences don't like fact ND doesnt play a 13th championship game, simple solution, eliminate the title games..Under the current format, theyre menaingless anyway, or close to it, except for the money...AH, the money, conferences will never go for that..No one mandates they have to play a title game..



   
ReplyQuote
(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

CT the writers are biased and only care about a few teams. I don’t think all the writers are corrupt scumbags but a good number of them are. The ncaa ain’t nothing but corrupt crooked scumbags and all they care about is money and they could care less about who the best team is all they care about is who gets the money. GaTech had their ACC championship yanked from them because a player took a $300 necklace and an Alabama coach give a kid $500 and the ncaa did nothing and you know why? Because Mark the scumbag emmert and Saban are buddies that’s why. Of course the Tide said it was a loan after they got caught lol. These coaches know you can’t loan money to players lol it’s a joke 


This post was modified 7 years ago by Southern psu fan

   
RIP and RIP reacted
ReplyQuote



(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

Roam you are great on a computer when I’m not and it only took me 3 minutes to find where they did say it. Strength of schedule, conference championships, team records and head to head is what they go on. I would put the article up but I don’t know how but i just paraphrased what I just read. It’s when the college football committee was founded and it’s right there.

 


This post was modified 7 years ago by Southern psu fan

   
RIP and RIP reacted
ReplyQuote
(@southern-psu-fan)
Special Teams Coach
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 13457
 

Wikipedia college football playoffs is what I looked on. It’s in voting procedures 


This post was modified 7 years ago by Southern psu fan

   
ReplyQuote
 RIP
(@rip)
Heisman Winner
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 3988
 
Posted by: Culture Thrives

Because, I think the writers do about as good a job as humanly possible, as getting it right...Are you and southern saying the 65 writers or so, who vote in the AP, are part of the scam, they are fraudulent and crooks too?  Sorry, Im not buying..I think the writers, by and large, do an excellent job of getting it right..

People also need to get over the Fact ND is not in a conference..they never have been in one, don't intend to be in one, and they aren't the only team without  a conference affiliation.If conferences don't like fact ND doesnt play a 13th championship game, simple solution, eliminate the title games..Under the current format, theyre menaingless anyway, or close to it, except for the money...AH, the money, conferences will never go for that..No one mandates they have to play a title game..

I never said all the AP writers are crooks (although odds are some may be).  I said that letting them, or any other poll select the National Champion, is nothing more than a popularity contest.  Are you saying these writers with regional ties and personal favorites are objective?  As far as Notre Lame, they won't join a conference because.... " AH, the money"!  They know the current system is tilted in their favor without having to actually win anything so mundane as a conference championship.    



   
ReplyQuote



(@culture-thrives)
2-Star Recruit
Joined: 8 years ago
Posts: 354
 

My goodness, where do I start..The CFP committee poll, the AP, the Coaches all had the same top 4..Ya think maybe that's because they were the top 4 in country?...

As for ND, their avowed independence has nothing to do with the current system..The Big 10, 20 yrs ago wooed ND so much, it was said Jim Delany would have walked to South Bend to finish the deal, it was rejected, and that far predates the current system..ND has  a national fanbase, national TV contract, nationally recruits to point where 35-45 states are represented often on roster..The alumni , students , fans don't want it, i.e., a conference..Why in the world would they "regionalize" a natl product; it be the equivalent of  a national sales mgr of a major company, announcing from now on, its product would only be available in the east or Midwest..It makes no sense..



   
ReplyQuote
Page 1 / 2
Share: