Man is that the best they could do. That’s the worst halftime show I’ve ever seen. Give me Pitbull and snoopdog or some good old rock and roll.
What a football game. This has been a great Super Bowl 35-35
Man that penalty sucked. Let ‘em play refs
Man that penalty sucked. Let ‘em play refs
It was a hold, period. I don't care what point of the game it is, if it is a penalty then call it. He held him before he spun, you could clearly see the jersey being pulled down... refs will get that all the time
I didn’t see the game but I’m sure whatever happened at the end with that hold/no hold was karma for eagle fans being jackwads.
BTW... Bradberry admitted in the presser after the game that he held the WR and was hoping the refs woukdn't see/call it.
I don't have a problem with the call, it surely wasn't the reason the Eagles lost.....they made plenty of other mistakes that cost them and the Cheif's stepped up in the second half.
What I do have a problem with is that the refs have now become WAY too involved with the game of football....pro and college. I understand that Instant Reply has helped sort out a lot of bad calls, but it also has taken away from the sport as well. THAT penalty wasn't reviewable, but these refs can now make a call, not worry too much about it and let the booth overturn or confirm the call. By the same token, it has caused more flags to be thrown just out of habit as in the case last night, at a time when it could have just easily been kept in their pocket. The refs are NOT consistent across the board. I bet a majority of the refs would have never thrown that flag last night. From week to week, there are a lot of calls that are made during one game that don't called in another game. How is a player EVER going to know what is and what isn't going to be called when every week one group of refs call it one way and another group calls it another way.
I don't know if I am expalining myself well, but I hope you get my point. The refs have taken a lot of fun out of the game. I am not going to argue that that call last night was incorrect, but in a Superbowl game, final 2 minutes, tied 35-35 with a pass that wasn't going to be caught with a small infraction at best, keep the freaking flag in your pocket!! That would have been one heck of finish if the Cheifs kick the field goal and then the Eagles have the ball with just under 2 minutes to go. The ref took away a potential dramatic finish and that is what the fans - at least me - would have loved to have seen at the end. AND I DIDN'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT! I was just simply enjoying the super bowl for what it is.
I don't know if I am expalining myself well, but I hope you get my point. The refs have taken a lot of fun out of the game. I am not going to argue that that call last night was incorrect, but in a Superbowl game, final 2 minutes, tied 35-35 with a pass that wasn't going to be caught with a small infraction at best, keep the freaking flag in your pocket!! That would have been one heck of finish if the Cheifs kick the field goal and then the Eagles have the ball with just under 2 minutes to go. The ref took away a potential dramatic finish and that is what the fans - at least me - would have loved to have seen at the end. AND I DIDN'T HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT! I was just simply enjoying the super bowl for what it is.
BS !! If it's an infraction of the rules and the ref sees it they have to throw a flag no matter how much time is left on the clock. It was an infraction and even the defender admitted it.
@mtnittanylion I get what you are saying, but I don't think a ref should ever keep a flag in their pocket jusg because it would be a better finish to the game for fans. If they believe it is a penalty, then throw it.
That said, with all the money the NFL makes they absolutly should be hiring full time refs. Pay them well, and let it be a full time job. I think the consistency would get a lot better.
@roaminglion For what it's worth, in 2019 NFL refs earned better than $200K/yr. Granted, it's not what the players & coaches get paid. Pretty sure I could squeak by on that, even if I had to take a part time job in the off season refereeing Women's Beach Volleyball.
@roaminglion For what it's worth, in 2019 NFL refs earned better than $200K/yr. Granted, it's not what the players & coaches get paid. Pretty sure I could squeak by on that, even if I had to take a part time job in the off season refereeing Women's Beach Volleyball.
True... but I didn't mean they weren't making a living rather than saying you'd attract a lot of talented individuals with higher pay and nothing else to do but concentrate on the NFL. Someone who's also a Lawyer obviously is dedicating a lot of time and effort into that for half the year rather than using the offseason to better their referee skills.
Let me hear this when B1G is in full action.
You are clueless my friend! Do you watch Basketball at all? If they called a foul everytime there was a foul, 100% of the games would never make it past halftime. Good grief, how many times have we all seen a QB throw a pass that was so far out of bounds that even the fans couldn't have caught it....to only see a holding call that had absolutley had NO IMPACT at all on the play that gave the offense a first down over it. A holding call that was 20 yards away from the QB and the intended receiver.
The referees are almost involved as much as the players are in just about every game..... 60 minutes of Football, 60 minutes of TV commercials and another 60 minutes ON AVERAGE of Replay Reviews and about 30 minutes for halftime. Kickoff at noon, game over at 3:30 at best. We spend 2 1/2 hours NOT watching football on any given Saturday.
@mtnittanylion I agree! That was a flag that could be thrown on every pass play in the NFL. It all depends on the circumstances is when the refs throw the flag and imo that was a terrible time to throw that flag. I really didn’t have a dog in the fight I just want the refs to stay out of the way and let the players decide who wins and on that play they didn’t.
You are clueless my friend! Do you watch Basketball at all? If they called a foul everytime there was a foul, 100% of the games would never make it past halftime. Good grief, how many times have we all seen a QB throw a pass that was so far out of bounds that even the fans couldn't have caught it....to only see a holding call that had absolutley had NO IMPACT at all on the play that gave the offense a first down over it. A holding call that was 20 yards away from the QB and the intended receiver.
The referees are almost involved as much as the players are in just about every game..... 60 minutes of Football, 60 minutes of TV commercials and another 60 minutes ON AVERAGE of Replay Reviews and about 30 minutes for halftime. Kickoff at noon, game over at 3:30 at best. We spend 2 1/2 hours NOT watching football on any given Saturday.
1. The player who actually committed the penalty said it was a penalty. And don't give me the whole "what do you expect him to say" nonsense. This was the Super Bowl, you can for damn sure be certain that a player who didn't foul someone isn't going to be worried about a 50k fine for blasting the refs after the game, and certainly isn't going to state he did, in fact, pull the WRs jersey and slow him down if he didn't actually do it.
2. Holding calls away from a play can absolutely affect a play. Just because the QB throws it out of bounds, or to another WR doesn't mean he hadn't looked through his progressions and saw no one open. It can also affect a safety, if he sees a guy covered up (because he's being held), he'll slide elsewhere. You can't just "let penalties go" just because you don't think they affected the play. You don't know if a WR was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd option... the Refs can't read a QBs eyes every play to know where he was looking.
3. This isn't basketball, it's football. Two extremely different games. I'm sure LeBron would disagree with you a few weeks ago when the refs "let them play" at the end of the game rather than calling an obvious foul. LeBron flipped out, and yes that was absolutely a foul.
4. I know they could call holding calls on every play, but most people know the refs should (if they are good refs) establish a consistent threshold for the game. It should remain consistent for the game, and they should not just abandon that threshold because there's 1:34 left in the game. A penalty in the 1st quarter should be a penalty with :03 on the clock. That's the whole point of remaining consistent. The players know by the 4th quarter what is and what isn't a penalty according to the ref. They know where the threshold is... and by the reaction of Bradberry, he knew damn well he crossed the line and hoped he would "get away with it". He didn't.
5. Refs are also human, they miss calls and make mistakes... but if the argument is "it's the end of the game let it go" then all you are saying is penalties don't matter at the end of games. How's that fair?
Didn't watch the game so obviously I didn't see the play in question. I absolutely agree with what Roam is saying. Makes perfect sense to me!
I think you completely missed my point from the very first post I made. It's not about bad calls or when in the game they are made. Referere's have become too involved in the game itself and they are now another component on game day that used to NOT be there. Pre-Instant reply era, we did not sit for 60 minutes a game and watch referees sort out calls. This is mostly do because it is easier to make a call knowing that you a have a reply booth that can confirm or reverse a call. And because of this, MORE questionable penalty flags are thrown because of the same reason....they just can't overturn them unless it is something like targeting.
And why does this REALLY bother me? Because when a team is on roll, a replay review can slow them down and give the other team to adjust. Before you had to burn time outs to regroup and you only got three of them per half. Now you get three time outs and another 30 minutes per half of replay time outs.
You don't need to get what I am saying and I don't expect you to. Referees are like are another game within the game and before you know it, the coaches will be using apps to make calls and the palyers will simply go to asssigned positions on the field and wait for the opposing teams coach to make his next move on his app and so forth!
You are clueless my friend! Do you watch Basketball at all? If they called a foul everytime there was a foul, 100% of the games would never make it past halftime. Good grief, how many times have we all seen a QB throw a pass that was so far out of bounds that even the fans couldn't have caught it....to only see a holding call that had absolutley had NO IMPACT at all on the play that gave the offense a first down over it. A holding call that was 20 yards away from the QB and the intended receiver.
The referees are almost involved as much as the players are in just about every game..... 60 minutes of Football, 60 minutes of TV commercials and another 60 minutes ON AVERAGE of Replay Reviews and about 30 minutes for halftime. Kickoff at noon, game over at 3:30 at best. We spend 2 1/2 hours NOT watching football on any given Saturday.
So many holes in your argument.
There are 7 referees on the field with over 100 types of penalties that can be called....thats just rediculous. And then there is thing called 'make up calls". You know, the ones that compensate for a pervious bad call that shouldn't have been called?? It just adds more "dumb" flags to the game that already has too many "dumb" flags as it is.
The next time you watch basketball, watch the team fouls. If one team has 7 team fouls and the other team has 2, watch how fast the 2 turns to 7 to even things out.
Hole in my argument? I have no argument, all I said is that ref's are too involved and they are ruining the game of football....as well as some other sports.
There are 7 referees on the field with over 100 types of penalties that can be called....thats just rediculous. And then there is thing called 'make up calls". You know, the ones that compensate for a pervious bad call that shouldn't have been called?? It just adds more "dumb" flags to the game that already has too many "dumb" flags as it is.
The next time you watch basketball, watch the team fouls. If one team has 7 team fouls and the other team has 2, watch how fast the 2 turns to 7 to even things out.
Hole in my argument? I have no argument, all I said is that ref's are too involved and they are ruining the game of football....as well as some other sports.
Good god man shut up you’re making yourself look like an even bigger fool. If you hate NFL football so much and it causes you this much anguish STOP WATCHING. FYI you’re trying to argue with someone that really doesn’t watch or give a shit about the NFL and for god’s sake don’t ever make a reference to me watching that trash known as the NBA ever again.
I think you completely missed my point from the very first post I made. It's not about bad calls or when in the game they are made. Referere's have become too involved in the game itself and they are now another component on game day that used to NOT be there. Pre-Instant reply era, we did not sit for 60 minutes a game and watch referees sort out calls. This is mostly do because it is easier to make a call knowing that you a have a reply booth that can confirm or reverse a call. And because of this, MORE questionable penalty flags are thrown because of the same reason....they just can't overturn them unless it is something like targeting.
And why does this REALLY bother me? Because when a team is on roll, a replay review can slow them down and give the other team to adjust. Before you had to burn time outs to regroup and you only got three of them per half. Now you get three time outs and another 30 minutes per half of replay time outs.
You don't need to get what I am saying and I don't expect you to. Referees are like are another game within the game and before you know it, the coaches will be using apps to make calls and the palyers will simply go to asssigned positions on the field and wait for the opposing teams coach to make his next move on his app and so forth!
What I dont get is what it has to do with the call at the end of the game? From what I remeber, there werent any replay mess ups or waits in this game so it's an odd moment to bring up this type of complaint.
I mean, I grt that point and I agree with you on refs being too reliant on replay sometimes... but that wasnt the case in this game IMO
I may be a fool, but I do take the time to read posts so I don't reply like a fool.....if we are going to name call. I didn't once mention the NBA and I didn't once say that I hate Pro Football. Heck, I don't even watch THAT much pro foootball myself. I said I didn't have an issue with the call that started all of this from the get go. I just a made a general statement that Refs are too involved in the game now and a lot of peolpe - maybe none here - would agree with me.
I was just trying to put a little humor in the end there. My statement was to be more general and no so much about that late call in the game. I simply have an issue with officials being too involved in the game vs just making sure it played safely, fairly and calls are acurate as can be.
