Jack Ham was one big bad mama jomma!

Very true PSUWVUNCSU...  You are right.

Roam I just noticed jay Paterno was the QB coach of 6 of the top 15 best QB’s penn st ever had, I also read that rivals in 2011 said he was the best QB coach in the big 10. Not to bad lol

That is completely untrue.  What 6 QB's are you talking about?

Michael Robinson, Daryll Clark, and Matt McGloin?

1. Michael Robinson was so poorly utilized in his 4 years here, that he only played QB his senior season. He was coached horribly, and succeeded because of his talent.
2. Morelli was a 5 star talent who played well below his potential.
3. Daryll Clark had talent, was a good QB but never got better.
4. McGloin was a turnover machine, and not all that great until O'Brien took over.  Jay didn't do squat with him.
5. Zack Mills got worse every year.

D-Clark was a 2 time all big 10 player? Look at the list of the top 15, jay coached 6 of ‘em. Go on pennlive and you’ll see the top 15. Kevin Thompson, mills, morelli, Clark, MROB and McGloin. The fact is Jay coached 6 of the top 15 QB’s at penn st. These were some good QB’s. Jay was QB coach from1999-2011

8-1 when the bogus scandal hit and McGloin was the starting QB, Alabama was the only loss but they did go on and win the NC. McGloin was playing dang good, don’t you remember how good he was against Michigan, he also played good at Ohio st that year. BOB made him better but he was good when BOB got there.

First off, stop using overall records to prove something about a QB.  Use their actual stats, McGloin wasn't doing well in 2011... The team was.  Running game and good defense.

Kevin Thompson?  He wasn't coached by Jay.  Only in his senior season did Jay actually become QB coach.

As I said, Zack Mills got worse every year. Michael Robinson spent 3 years as a WR and RB, Jay didn't even think he was a QB. Morelli sucked. Daryll Clark is the only guy who Jay didn't ruin or inherit from someone else.  Add that to the fact that none of the QBs really give him credit for helping them at all.

What am I supposed to go by?QB’s he coached rank in the top 15 best all time at penn st, it’s PennLives article not mine. 2005, 2008 and 2009 are some of the best offensives we’ve ever had and the QB play is the reason why. I agree that some of the QB’s didn’t pan out but that happens at all teams. I believe Jay was becoming a good coach especially coaching under Galen Hall for a few years. Rivals.com said he was the best QB coach in the big 10. My opinion,  Stats, wins and opinions of respected college football websites all ain’t wrong, especially my opinion Roam lol..the top 15 on pennlive is going by stats.

Let’s also not forget he coached Pat Devlin. Pat Transferred because he couldn’t beat out D-Clark. Pat Devlin would’ve been another good QB with good stats IMO had he not left. BTW McGloin was going to be good his Sr year anyway regardless if BOB coached him, you’re supposed to get better ever year and McGloin did. I do agree that BOB made him better though and I’m not saying Jay was as good as BOB because BOB is great IMO just saying Jay deserves some coaching credit

Holy moly, Southern. I have a lot of respect for you, but this Jaypa love affair you have is through blue colored jaded glasses. Jay was a mediocre AT BEST QB. Coach. Personally, I think he stunk. I think he had the job because he was Joe’s son and Joe didn’t have the backbone to fire him, so he brought in Galen Hall to hold his hand. I agree with most of Roam’s assessments of those QBs. I remember reading an article after Morelli spent some time in an NFL camp and one of the coaches said he was one of the most undercoached prospects he had ever worked with. Mills was better as a true freshman than he was after 4 years of Jay’s coaching. McGloin was a turnover machine until BO’B turned him into what he became...after one season. MRob and Clark has success due to their athleticism, neither were coached up to become NFL QBs. Both were mishandled by the coaching staff and should have played earlier in their PSU careers than they did. And what did Jay do to develop Rob Bolden or the other 4 star kid in that recruiting class? You can say they weren’t as good as their recruiting ranking, and that may be the case, but why then did the coaching staff not recognize that and recruit someone else? That falls on them also. I’ll end with 2 things: 1) Don’t ever trust PennLive as a credible source. 2) “That dude was everything a coach shouldn’t be” Mike Mauti referencing Jay Paterno.

As far as Pat Devlin goes, the coaching staff totally screwed that situation up. If Devlin plays at Iowa in 2008, when it was obvious Clark was still suffering from the concussion he received at Ohio St, then maybe they win that game. Instead, they inexplicably give Derrick Williams snaps at QB and run some wildcat offense with very little success and Devlin never sees the field. I don’t blame Devlin for leaving. I would have left too. They missed out on a lot of QBs during the Jaypa years because of Jaypa. Henne, Pryor, Smoker, etc. Henne’s Coach was a very reputable PA high school coach who had sent other position players to PSU. It was rumored that he advised Henne NOT to go to PSU because of the lack of QB coaching. Henne is still on an NFL roster. Devlin may be too. At least he was until recently. Except McGloin (BO’B’s credit) what other Jay coached QB is in the NFL as a QB?

I mostly agree with everything that Roaminglion and Lionbacker99 said. I would only add that McGloin wasn't even allowed to start until after Tom Bradley became the Interim Head Coach. Bolden would start, the team would get behind and McGloin would come in  and try to win the game from behind. To say that McGloin was going to be good his senior year anyway is delusional.

As far the PennLive article, it is just a ranking of quarterbacks by passing yardage. It is NOT a list of the "best quarterbacks that Penn State ever had". It is one statistic among many. They could have picked another statistic such as passing efficiency, completion percentage, wins, touchdown to interception ratio, etc. Some of the players (Mills, Hackenberg, Morelli) are on the list because they played in so many games and attempted so many passes; others (Chuck Burkhart, Shorty Miller, Tom Shuman) are not on the list because the offense when they played wasn't based on throwing a lot of passes.

I’ll add to the McGloin debate. He was not “dang good” in 2011. As noted above, he didn’t even start over true freshman Rob Bolden. He started off the 2011 calendar year with the 2010 season ending Outback Bowl bowl debacle against a mediocre, beatable Florida team coached by Urban Meyer. McGloin’s stat line in that game? Try 17-41 for 211 yards. 1 TD and 5 INTS. The 2011 Ohio State game that Southern refers to: 10-18 88 yards 0 TDS and 1 INT. I’m sorry Southern , but that is NOT playing dang good and that was all under Jay’s guidance.

The game I remember at Ohio st he played good and I thought he threw for 2 TD’s because the score was 14-14 at one time, I’m just trying to remember I’m not looking anything up. We lost but I thought McGloin played pretty good.

IMO McGloin would’ve been good his Sr year. The team in 2012 would’ve been  good enough to challenge for the NC. Ain’t no way McGloin improves that much in a month he was already good. Everybody gives Meyer credit for all his DT QB’s but jay gets no credit for his. Name me a QB that Meyer coached that plays in the NFL. Also the QB coach at Michigan was damn good and that’s why Henne went there. I’m not saying Jay was as good as BOB or the QB coach at Michigan but he deserves credit for who he coached just like every other coach gets credit for who they coached. I don’t know if it was jays decision on who started the games because I heard joe say he didn’t play MROB at QB because he was needed at other positions and he admitted he messed up. LSU didn’t make Bolden any better either he was just a bust. I agree about morelli because he had the talent to be good but he had an ok career at penn st but he should’ve been better. OC and DC changes in the early 2000’s is why we had the dark years as some say but it did get turned around and we had some dominant offenses and maybe some of the best offenses we’ve ever had and Jay IMO helped.

Pat Devlin?  He never played here.  How can you say Jay had anything to do with the kid, when the kid transferred?

Again, I AM GOING BY STATS.  Stats show Zac Mills regressed every year.  Stats show Morelli wasn't good. Stats show Robinson was underutilized and played RB an WR when he should have been a QB.

As I said, I give him credit for Clark, but only so far.  Clark never got better, and didn't make it to the NFL. He had a great skillset coming in.

O'Brien coached McGloin for 1 year and turned him into an NFL QB.  No one in their right mind was going to draft McGloin until his senior year, a fact backed up by STATS. Kevin Thompson wasn't coached by Jay Paterno.

And please with the "2008, 2009 are some of the best offensives we’ve ever had and the QB play is the reason why." Just so happens Penn State's leader rusher OF ALL TIME played on those teams: Evan Royster.  We averaged over 200 yards running in 2008. We were #17 in rushing, #40 in passing that year. To say the QB was "the reason" those teams were good is completely devoid of any perspective. Not saying Clark wasn't good, he was... but I mean, dude... he played with the #1 all time rusher in PSU history.  Also happened to play with a defense ranked in the top 5 both years, which gave up only 12 points a game.

So you want to go by stats?  OK, here are some stats:

Penn State was the #3 best defense in the NCAA in 2008
Penn State was the #17 best running team in the NCAA in 2008
Penn State was the #40 best passing team in the NCAA in 2008

Clark was #46 in passing yards, #28 in QB rating in 2008
Royster was #25 in rushing yards, #14 in YPC in 2008

You tell me... how do those stats add up to Clark being "the reason" we were so good?

No one brought up Meyer, and he's a head coach not a QB coach...  So I don't know why Meyer would enter this conversation.

Last thing I have to say about Jay...

Other than Clark, absolutely none of the QBs he coached give him any credit.  None.  Not even Michael Robinson, who've I have seen dance around the question... mostly because he's too classy to say anything that bad.

"That dude was an example of everything a coach should not be." - Michael Mauti

Others have similar sentiments. Too many examples of ex-players from a typically tight-lipped team saying bad things about the man...  too many to not take seriously.  The guy was obviously in above his head, had his hand held by dad, and wasn't really "in charge" of anything. That's my interpretation based on the former players themselves, and some off the record statements by former coaches as well.

1 or 2 people I could dismiss, but it's not just 1 or 2 people. The guy (Jay) just wasn't respected in the locker room. There's a reason why he wasn't even able to get interviews during his tenure anywhere else... and he did try.  Everyone knew he was "QB coach" in name only.

The individual player stats from 2010. If you scroll down, you find the passing stats for McGloin and Bolden:

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2010-2011/indgbg.html

The individual stats for 2011.

http://www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2011-2012/indgbg.html#IGBG.PAS

The individual state for 2012.

www.gopsusports.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2012-2013/indgbg.htm

Looking at the stats, I would describe McGloin as mediocre before O'Brien and Bolden was less than mediocre. To call McGloin a turnover machine is a bit of an exaggeration He had 9 turnovers (all interceptions) against 14 TDs in  2010; five picks were against Florida, two against Ohio State, and the others were single picks in other games. He had a really bad bowl game against Florida. He only had 5 interceptions and 1 fumble lost against 8 TDs in 2011; the turnovers were in six different games. He was not very good before O'Brien, but he was better than Bolden. If you look at the game by game stats, Bolden seems to get worse over time. I don't want to pile on, but that seems to be a pattern for the quarterbacks coached by Jay.

There is one correction from what 99 said, Bolden was a true freshman in 2010 not 2011. The Florida bowl game (end of 2010 season) was a disaster for McGloin, but McGloin was playing better than Bolden throughut most of 2011 and probably should have started earlier than he did.

The senile old man that stayed too long had big plans for his son.

My mistake. You are correct. Bolden was a freshman in 2010. I was at his first game as a starter. He looked pretty good for a true freshman. Then it was downhill from there. Look, we all have differing views on certain things. That’s what makes these conversations so interesting. I hope nobody takes this banter too seriously. It’s all in good fun. We Are.....

Maybe. That’s what some think was in the works. However, I would think that Tom Bradley was in line to take over the reigns if the university stayed in house. I said this the other day to a friend of mine. It sounds really strange to say this, but we came out of crippling sanctions, arguably, stronger as a team than we have been in decades. I don’t think any other school could have done that. It’s a testament to everyone who has ever had any connection to PSU and still cares about the university.

Royster was good but he’s not even close to being the best RB penn st’s ever had. We’ve had a lot of great RB’s to leave early and that’s why he’s got the record. D-Clark is why our offense was so good and that’s why we went 22-4 on D-Clark’s time. Yes the defense was dominant but so was the defense in 04 but the 04 team didn’t have a good starting QB. Joe admitted he should’ve started MROB earlier. If you don’t have good QB play odds are you ain’t going to win a lot of games. Matter of fact the 02 team was good enough to win the NC we just didn’t have a QB. Mills played ok that year but IMO he should’ve been a backup. I’m not knocking mills just being honest because he did try his best and he had some good games but you could tell he should’ve been a backup for the talent he had.

I agree LB99, I believe James Franklin is the only coach that could’ve pulled this off as well, the dude was winning 9 game playing in the SEC coaching at Vanderbilt when the SEC was on their dominant run winning NC’s. BOB done a great job keeping things together but he was coaching scholarship future NFL players while James Franklin was coaching sanction players and walk-ons and the dude was having winning seasons lol, it’s unbelievable what penn st pulled off.