Anybody see the news articles about wealthy people being charged by the US Dept of Justice with bribery & cheating to get their kiddies into big name Universities such as Georgetown, Yale, Stanford, Texas, USC, UCLA, and others? One of the examples cited was Lori Laughlin paying $500,000 to USC so that her 2 daughters would be designated as recruits of the USC Crew Team to help them get into USC even though they were not actual recruits. What are the chances of the NCAA getting involved? I don't think Emmert will be interested, since actual academic/athletic fraud is involved - LMAO!
Really? This stuff has been going on since the Middle Ages. Rich folks always got the breaks. Does anyone think that JFK got into Harvard on his own? The difference now is that they have documentation of the scams. Lots of influential folks are not only going to be embarrassed, but may also spend some time in the pokey!
Really? This stuff has been going on since the Middle Ages. Rich folks always got the breaks. Does anyone think that JFK got into Harvard on his own? The difference now is that they have documentation of the scams. Lots of influential folks are not only going to be embarrassed, but may also spend some time in the pokey!
Thanks Sky, none of us realized rich people get breaks... Glad you were here to explain that.
LMAO, j/k... but I had to.
Really? This stuff has been going on since the Middle Ages. Rich folks always got the breaks. Does anyone think that JFK got into Harvard on his own? The difference now is that they have documentation of the scams. Lots of influential folks are not only going to be embarrassed, but may also spend some time in the pokey!
Sky, I'm no babe in the woods, LOL. I know how long the rich folks have been scamming and I could give a ratz behind about them. I'm talking about lack of institutional control. The following have been charged:
Yale - women's soccer coach
Stanford - sailing coach
Georgetown - tennis coach
USC - senior associate athletic director & 2 women's soccer coaches & water polo coach
UCLA - men's soccer coach
Texas - men's tennis coach
Wake Forest - volleyball coach
If there ever was a reason for NCAA intervention.....oh what the hell, Paterno & PSU weren't involved so let it slide!
If they pay $500,000 why can’t they go to usc? That kind of money you should get to go where you want lol. I’m kind of lost and really don’t see anything wrong as long as you pay? I’m going to try and start sticking to football only because I get my butt in trouble when I get into something I don’t know anything about lol
If they pay $500,000 why can’t they go to usc? That kind of money you should get to go where you want lol. I’m kind of lost and really don’t see anything wrong as long as you pay? I’m going to try and start sticking to football only because I get my butt in trouble when I get into something I don’t know anything about lol
Southern, here is an example of what was going on. I'd say there was a lot wrong with what they were doing!
Donna Heinel - USC Senior Associate Athletic Director
Heinel, who has been indicted on a federal charge of racketeering conspiracy, was a major point of contact for Singer at USC. In many instances, she is accused of presenting “falsified athletic credentials” of applicants to the school’s subcommittee for athletic admissions while also designating the applicants as recruits.
In the case of one applicant, Heinel “suggested” that a $200,000 payment for the admittance of the daughter of Gamal Abdelaziz be directed “to the gift account for the Galen Center the arena for USC’s basketball and volleyball programs.” Singer later told law enforcement that he and Heinel decided that “Heinel would receive payments of $20,000 per month personally in exchange for her assistance in securing the admission of Abdelaziz’s daughter, and the children of [Singer]’s other clients, to USC as purported athletic recruits” instead of “directing the money to USC.”
In one recorded call, Singer said Heinel called him and said that the fake profile he made for Abdelaziz’s daughter “was really well done,” and should be used going forward for “anybody who isn’t a real basketball player that’s a female.” And when Abdelaziz’s daughter did not show up to play for the basketball team, Singer said Heinel told admissions that she suffered an injury that would keep her out for 6-8 months.
Court documents allege that Heinel initiated several other “side door” deals, involving fraudulent recruiting profiles (including football) and test scores, in several sports at USC. In all, Singer’s clients made payments of “more than $1.3 million to USC accounts controlled by Heinel,” per court documents.
USC yet has not comment on Heinel’s status with the university.
In short, the people paying bribes to get their kids into these universities were taking the spots of other deserving students.
These kids obviously were bringing nothing to the table... not good grades, they weren't good athletes, nothing spectacular. All they had were rich parents willing to pay for someone to cheat on their behalf. Which is probably why they needed the help in the first place, their parents most likely spoiled them rotten and taught them that nothing was their fault and mommy and daddy would always make everything better.
The law pundits are saying the schools themselves are not being investigated even if parts of their athletic programs are. I have two questions: what will the NCAA do? Can you say “ institutional control “. Second, what happens to the kids that are currently enrolled? Will they be expelled? Even if they are doing the work I don’t know how the schools can allow them to stay. If I were one of those kids, I don’t know I’d want to stay considering the scrutiny.
The law pundits are saying the schools themselves are not being investigated even if parts of their athletic programs are. I have two questions: what will the NCAA do? Can you say “ institutional control “. Second, what happens to the kids that are currently enrolled? Will they be expelled? Even if they are doing the work I don’t know how the schools can allow them to stay. If I were one of those kids, I don’t know I’d want to stay considering the scrutiny.
Thank you Lake! That was my only reason for starting this thread - what will Emmert & the NCAA do? I don't think they'll do a thing because they are gutless. IMO they only went after PSU with a vengeance because they savored the opportunity to get Joepa, who had stepped on too many establishment toes in his long and illustrious career.
Lack of institutional control. LMAO!
This sounds more like your typical Politicians .
Exactly right brother. Where’s our lawman navyjag?
Lack of institutional control. LMAO!
This sounds more like your typical Politicians .
At PSU, Sandusky was no longer an employee of the athletic dept or university and NCAA levied sanctions based, in part, on lack of institutional control. At USC, the Sr Assoc Athletic Director and 3 coaches were charged and you LYAO at lack of institutional control?????
The schools are not being targeted because there is no evidence of involvement by anyone other than those named in the indictment. The admissions process for colleges is just too big for every aspect of admissions to be investigated. There is no indication that the NCAA is or is not going to get involved. As the cases proceed, there are going to be a lot of people trying to make deals with the USAO, which will entail singing on higher-ups. When there is evidence of other involvement, then I think the universities themselves will be investigated, and possibly indicted. Remember that NCAA relied on the Freeh report to justify its sanctions. That report was bought and paid for by the trustees of Penn State.
As far as money talking, happens everywhere. I went to law school with a guy who got caught cheating and was dismissed from the school. He showed up the following year after his father had made a significant donation to the school.
The schools are not being targeted because there is no evidence of involvement by anyone other than those named in the indictment. The admissions process for colleges is just too big for every aspect of admissions to be investigated. There is no indication that the NCAA is or is not going to get involved. As the cases proceed, there are going to be a lot of people trying to make deals with the USAO, which will entail singing on higher-ups. When there is evidence of other involvement, then I think the universities themselves will be investigated, and possibly indicted. Remember that NCAA relied on the Freeh report to justify its sanctions. That report was bought and paid for by the trustees of Penn State.
As far as money talking, happens everywhere. I went to law school with a guy who got caught cheating and was dismissed from the school. He showed up the following year after his father had made a significant donation to the school.
IMO USC might have a problem though, because it's not just one person... It shows a ring of corruption: The women's soccer coach and his assistant, both men's and women's water polo coaches, the crew coach, as well as the senior associate athletic director. That's systemic, not just one rogue coach. Add that onto the Reggie Bush fiasco, and later the OJ Mayo violations and it's clear USC doesn't give a $*it about monitoring their athletics program at all.
USC has been caught on numerous occasions over a 15 year period in more than 5 sports, and now one of the associate athletic directors has been fingered. Lastly, after each violation what did they do? Replaced the Athletic Director with another. Each time the new AD was a former USC football player, with the last two having no experience in administrative positions prior to their appointment.
USC has shown a blatant disregard for caring about the rules, has shown zero remorse for violating them, and has done nothing to clean up their issues. If this isn't lack of institutional control, nothing is.
There was also this woman who was working for Emmert that was fired from PSU. Back in the midst of the Sandusky affair rumor was that Emmert was trying to get back at PSU for firing his girlfriend. Can't remember her name, I think first name may have been Judy.
If USC keeps rolling thru former football players as AD, maybe they'll get to OJ...He'd be a fine rep...
The lady from full house got a 1 million dollar bond lol. Gimme a break. Ain’t no way this stupid crap deserves a 1 million dollar bond. Scumbag politicians do a lot worse and get nothing lol
Although not implicated in this scandal, imagine how officials feel at the University of Pennsylvania, an esteemed Ivy school..In a separate incident, former basketball head coach, Jerome Allen, testified he took $300,000 from a wealthy Fla businessman to get his son into the prestigious Wharton School..As far as I know he wasn't even an athlete, if he was he certainly contributed zip, zilch, nada to the basketball team.Penn tolerated Allen's incompetence 6 long yrs, going 65-104 as he ran the program into the ground. How he lasted that long at a school known for coaching luminaries, Jack McCloskey, Dick Harter, Chuck Daly, Bob Weinhauer, Fran Dunphy is anyone 's guess, probably because he was an alum who was a very good basketball player at the school, but for all their loyalty, this was their reward..
I knew after his first yr, he should have been fired, a complete idiot..Penn officials must be disgusted and embarrassed..Whoever kept this guy around, hopefully are long gone...or they may well be..
The lady from full house got a 1 million dollar bond lol. Gimme a break. Ain’t no way this stupid crap deserves a 1 million dollar bond. Scumbag politicians do a lot worse and get nothing lol
Bad, bad argument. She committed mail fraud and bribery, which should be punished harshly. Just because politicians do things too doesn't mean I want crimes punished less harshly otherwise.
Roam, armed robbery is only around 100,000 and that has guns involved lol. Ain’t no way this should carry a million dollar bond. I’m not saying they shouldn’t get punished but no way should they be treated like they’ve killed somebody. This is getting coverage like OJ.
The size of the bond is related to the offense as well as the offender. The court looks at the likelihood that the defendant will not flee. A bond of $100,000 might not guarantee her appearance at court. A bond of $1 million will almost assuredly convince the court that she will appear. She was also required to surrender her passport.
Roam, armed robbery is only around 100,000 and that has guns involved lol. Ain’t no way this should carry a million dollar bond. I’m not saying they shouldn’t get punished but no way should they be treated like they’ve killed somebody. This is getting coverage like OJ.
No it's not, there is no set standard for a bond. If the armed robbery is committed by someone who has a local job, no priors, and takes care of a sick relative in his house then the bond will probably be low due to those factors.
If a person commits armed robbery and is a millionaire, owns real estate around the world, and has no relatives in the area then the bond will probably be high. It's not based solely on the crime but likelihood to appear.
Man that woman from the tv show ain’t no threat to run off and you know it. Again I’m not saying not give ‘em a slap on the wrist just no jail time like what I’m hearing. She probably didn’t even think it was that big of a deal when she was paying for her daughter to go to USC. And since when did going to college become a constitutional right? Now I see all these people trying to sue lol. Man we’ve become a bunch of wussies lol.
Roam I’m not saying you’re wrong about anything I just don’t see the big deal in all of it. I’ve seen a lot worse and nothing happened lol
SPF, If she appears at trial, the bond will be returned. It's not a fine. It's posted to ensure she shows at trial.
