@psujoe I understand exactly what y’all are saying. I believe it should be Alabama, Baylor, Utah and Michigan because it’s 4 conference champs but under this system they’ve come up with I believe it should be Georgia, Alabama, Michigan and Ohio St because from the eye test these looks like the best teams. Trust me I’m I agreement with y’all. This is what we got so I’m giving my opinion on my teams of the system we have.I’m assuming they think Cincinnati is better than Ohio St which is mind boggling to me. It’s just my opinion but I believe Ohio St would beat Cincinnati as bad as they won’t too
OMG thankfully you aren't on the committee because I would throw up if I saw just Big Ten and SEC teams in the CFP with no one else.
@roaminglion I honestly believe Alabama, Georgia, Michigan and Ohio St are the 4 best team. I’m 99% sure Cincinnati cannot beat Ohio St and I’m pretty sure they would struggle to beat Utah but it’s just my opinion. I wish it was Michigan, Utah, Baylor and Alabama that would be fun to watch
@roaminglion I honestly believe Alabama, Georgia, Michigan and Ohio St are the 4 best team. I’m 99% sure Cincinnati cannot beat Ohio St and I’m pretty sure they would struggle to beat Utah but it’s just my opinion. I wish it was Michigan, Utah, Baylor and Alabama that would be fun to watch
Cincy could beat Michigan.
@roaminglion They might’ve earlier in the year but Michigan would pound ‘em in the ground now. Michigan is the most improved team I’ve watched. Man, they just beat down Ohio St and Iowa. I don’t think they’ll beat Georgia but I sure hope they do. I don’t like Michigan and I can’t stand Georgia but I like jim Harbaugh 😂 pretty cool him giving all that money to people at Michigan that got their salaries cut
@roaminglion you need a history lesson there, Ace...Paul Hornung is one of greatest football players ever, is in College and Pro Hall of Fame...One of Vince Lombardi's favorite players, the greatest coach ever..
BUT, BTW..Jim Brown barely finished in top 5, 5th to be exact..In addition to the "Golden Boy", BROWN was beaten out by Tennessee's Johnny Majors, OKlahoma's Tommy McDonald,and GERRY Tubbs..
If you're going to present arguments, please get your facts right....lol...You werent even close..
I honestly think Cincy can beat Bama, Georgia and Michigan...I haven't seen a team all year that I thought was unbeatable and frankly the SEC hasn't played anybody all year and they lost every time they traveled...It's a shame Utah isn't in this thing cause I honest to God believe they are playing as good a football as anybody in the country...I believe Michigan is going to beat Georgia...Georgia doesn't have the offense to score on Michigan...I also think Cincy is going to give Bama all they can handle...They have cornerbacks that can stay with Bama on the outside...The key to that game is going to be gap discipline when rushing their QB...If they keep that kid contained he will turn the ball over cause he takes risks...I honestly think Cincy beats Bama...I believe Michigan beats Cincy to win the whole thing...That is how I see this thing play out...
@roaminglion I honestly believe Alabama, Georgia, Michigan and Ohio St are the 4 best team. I’m 99% sure Cincinnati cannot beat Ohio St and I’m pretty sure they would struggle to beat Utah but it’s just my opinion. I wish it was Michigan, Utah, Baylor and Alabama that would be fun to watch
Funny because you continue to tell us Cincinnati can't beat the big boys.............but they did. And you continue to avoid giving them credit.
Or are you saying ND is a fraud like they typically are?
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The only team that should be questioned about whether or not they can be beat is Cincy cause nobody has beaten them yet...The other 3 teams in this fraud tournament have been beaten...Cincy has a senior QB who is probably going to go in the 1st round...They have a cornerback who is going to go in the first round as well...They aren't going to be an easy out...
@roaminglion you need a history lesson there, Ace...Paul Hornung is one of greatest football players ever, is in College and Pro Hall of Fame...One of Vince Lombardi's favorite players, the greatest coach ever..
BUT, BTW..Jim Brown barely finished in top 5, 5th to be exact..In addition to the "Golden Boy", BROWN was beaten out by Tennessee's Johnny Majors, OKlahoma's Tommy McDonald,and GERRY Tubbs..
If you're going to present arguments, please get your facts right....lol...You werent even close..
LMAO, yeah because Jim Brown isn't considered by almost everyone the greatest college or pro running back in the history of the game.
Just like an ND honk, thanks for proving my point. Absolutely no one, except a ND fan, even mentions Hornung when talking about best ever running backs.
@roaminglion Nice try Ace...but it takes a man to admit he was wrong..The discussion was not best RB ever....but your statement, and I quote..."Jim Brown was denied the Heisman in favor of Paul Hornung'..Not even close, Brown finished 5th in the voting
Not the first time I caught you, I suspect it wont be the last...Game, set, match....
Bama won their conference championship...So they are 1 of 5 power conference champions...Cincy is unbeaten and Notre Dame has a loss...4 of those teams should be in...Problem is only 3 of em are...Georgia has no business being there...They shouldn't have even been considered...That is the issue I have and most people have...There shouldn't need to be a "committee or a commission" involved in this...The conference championship games are a playoff game...Win and you have a chance to be in...Lose and your out...
If this is the rationale we should use (and I will agree with you here), then ND should NEVER get in because they don’t play a conference championship game and the one year they did dip a toe into a championship game they got shellacked by Clemson. They need to put their money where their mouth is. Put up or shut up. Join a conference or quit your crying.
I agree 100% on the Notre Dame joining a conference or they are left out...Common sense says they should have joined the B1G when Penn State did...I am not convinced that within the next 5 years that there isn't a football super conference of maybe 48 to 60 schools broken down into geographical areas for divisions...This has been floated and has been discussed by conference heads, university presidents and athletic directors and almost came to fruition about a decade ago...I can remember Mike Francesa discussing this on more than one occasion on his radio show on WFAN here in New York...Not too long before he signed off the air he made the prediction that this so called Super Conference was inevitable and would come to fruition within the next 10 years...I personally was never a big fan of his but there can be no denying that he was definitely in the know and most of his predictions came to fruition over the years...He predicted that it was inevitable that the college players would eventually be compensated in some way and he was right...I honestly believe the college football playoff that we are all in favor of will come to fruition in conjunction with this super conference being formed...
Bama won their conference championship...So they are 1 of 5 power conference champions...Cincy is unbeaten and Notre Dame has a loss...4 of those teams should be in...Problem is only 3 of em are...Georgia has no business being there...They shouldn't have even been considered...That is the issue I have and most people have...There shouldn't need to be a "committee or a commission" involved in this...The conference championship games are a playoff game...Win and you have a chance to be in...Lose and your out...
If this is the rationale we should use (and I will agree with you here), then ND should NEVER get in because they don’t play a conference championship game and the one year they did dip a toe into a championship game they got shellacked by Clemson. They need to put their money where their mouth is. Put up or shut up. Join a conference or quit your crying.
ND has proven they don't even belong in new years 6 games as they've gotten shellacked in those too.
@roaminglion Nice try Ace...but it takes a man to admit he was wrong..The discussion was not best RB ever....but your statement, and I quote..."Jim Brown was denied the Heisman in favor of Paul Hornung'..Not even close, Brown finished 5th in the voting
Not the first time I caught you, I suspect it wont be the last...Game, set, match....
LMAO... Yes he was denied in favor of Paul Hornung. Are you serious that you think because he finished 5th that means anything?
Like... Do you know history at all? It's common freaking knowledge that Jim Brown didn't win the Heisman because he' black, not because 4 guys were "better". He could have placed 50th, Still wouldn't change the fact that they chose horning over the deserving person because of his skin color.
Caught me multiple times... hahaha gtfoh
@roaminglion I don’t know who’s the best, but Jim Brown, Barry Sanders and Earl Campbell is the best 3 I’ve ever seen. That’s 3 bad dudes right there brother
Hard to believe that I was alive in 1956 but I was. In my opinion, it was Johnny Majors that got screwed out of the Heisman.
Im not saying race did or did not play a part in choosing the winner but hey, it was 1956 and Jim Crowism was alive in well. BUT, keep in mind that Ernie Davis (who was African American) won the Heisman while playing for Syracuse a few years after JB graduated.
There werent many TV's in homes in 1956, or at least nobody that I knew had one. We didnt get one in our house till the early 60's. My first memory was seeing JFK killed in Dallas in '63 I think.....but I digress..... Syracuse football wasnt covered like Notre Dame, USC, or many of the other "blue bloods". Heck, Beaver Stadium didnt exist but Beaver Field did. I think his snub had more to do with the fact that nobody outside of the east coast had heard of him. I remember watching him and Lenny Moore battle it out in '55 at the Beav and man was that a game. I uess what I'm trying to say is that in 1956, Syracuse didnt play in the big market and therefore people didnt get a chance to see JB play, or Lenny Moore for that matter.
Notre Dame had the media blitz behind it. USC, Michigan, etc they were the darlings of college football back then. So did race play a part in JB's snub? I'm certain there were more than a few that took his race into consideration but I also believe it had to do with that fact that not many people had heard of JB and those that did, recognized that Syracuse played a weak schedule that year. They played five teams with records over .500 and lost one game. They also had Boston College, Army, Holy Cross, Colgate, and Maryland on their schedule that year.
BTW.....they beat PSU something like 13-9 that year.
@tsuga In the 70’s I stayed with my grandmaw a lot and we didn’t have running water or a bathroom, we had a well and outhouse up till 1979. Man how times have changed tsuga. We had to go down to the creek to take a bath 😂 the house had electricity but no A/C or heat and man it was cold as chit during the winter in Cedartown, Ga. BTW Nick Chubb is from Cedartown 😁
@southern-psu-fan: You just brought back a ton of memories I have of my dear grandmother.
She was appalled that people would have flush toilets in there house. I remember when my mother and her siblings had indoor plumbing installed in my grandma's house and she STILL refused to use it.
In her mind, society was going to hell because people went in to crap and out to eat. She used an outhouse till the day she passed away. I still remember sleeping over and using the chamber pots at night and gagging in the morning when I had to empty them.
You wanna feel cold?? Get your sorry butt up here to Maine and we'll go out ice fishing.
@tsuga Grandfather on my mother's side was the same way. Lived in town, had indoor plumbing, but always went out to the outhouse in the back yard to do his business. Used to have boxwood bushes on each side of the door, to this day when I smell boxwood, I think of Grampa and his outhouse.
@tsuga Your memory is sharp as a tack, old boy....I may be older than you, and lived thru all that and then some, you took me down memory lane..As you point out, the '56 Heisman was indeed a two horse show, Paul Hornung, and Johnny Majors...Jim Brown had yet to become a household name , and played in relative obscurity at Syracuse,,He finished a distant 500 points out of the race...and the racism theory was debunked by ERnie Davis' '61 Heisman..I understand the Hornung-Majors debate...but if you go by their pro careers, the voters got it right..Hornung enjoyed a ten yr career, 4 time NFL champion, NFL MVP, while Majors never made it..
AND, speaking of TV, I believe national Ncaa games began in 1952, I watched in 1956, as the Tommy McDonald led Oklahoma Sooners routed ND, 40-0 McDonald finished third in Heisman voting, also Nfl HOF ER.. ON NATIONAL TV IN 1957, I watched as the Irish returned the favor as a huge 'dog, upsetting the Sooners 7-0, and ending their 47 game winning streak..
McDonald was then drafted. I believe after '56, by my Philadelphia Eagles...He became part of a lethal combo, with the Dutchman, Norm Van Brocklin leading the '60 Birds to a 17-13 victory over LOmbardi's Packers , only title game Vince lost,...AND Remember the old NFL blackout rule, 75-90 mile, not sure which..and as hard as it is now to believe, the '60 title game was blacked out in Philly, with my Dad, I and three younger brothers huddled around the radio on 12/26/60, enjoying the Birds victory...CHuck Bednarik literally sat on Jim Taylor at Birds 8 to end the game..Good times..
@tsuga Your memory is sharp as a tack, old boy....I may be older than you, and lived thru all that and then some, you took me down memory lane..As you point out, the '56 Heisman was indeed a two horse show, Paul Hornung, and Johnny Majors...Jim Brown had yet to become a household name , and played in relative obscurity at Syracuse,,He finished a distant 500 points out of the race...and the racism theory was debunked by ERnie Davis' '61 Heisman..I understand the Hornung-Majors debate...but if you go by their pro careers, the voters got it right..Hornung enjoyed a ten yr career, 4 time NFL champion, NFL MVP, while Majors never made it..
AND, speaking of TV, I believe national Ncaa games began in 1952, I watched in 1956, as the Tommy McDonald led Oklahoma Sooners routed ND, 40-0 McDonald finished third in Heisman voting, also Nfl HOF ER.. ON NATIONAL TV IN 1957, I watched as the Irish returned the favor as a huge 'dog, upsetting the Sooners 7-0, and ending their 47 game winning streak..
McDonald was then drafted. I believe after '56, by my Philadelphia Eagles...He became part of a lethal combo, with the Dutchman, Norm Van Brocklin leading the '60 Birds to a 17-13 victory over LOmbardi's Packers , only title game Vince lost,...AND Remember the old NFL blackout rule, 75-90 mile, not sure which..and as hard as it is now to believe, the '60 title game was blacked out in Philly, with my Dad, I and three younger brothers huddled around the radio on 12/26/60, enjoying the Birds victory...CHuck Bednarik literally sat on Jim Taylor at Birds 8 to end the game..Good times..
"and the racism theory was debunked by ERnie Davis' '61 Heisman"
That is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read. That's like saying because Jackie Robinson was signed to an MLB contract it debunked the theory that teams werent hiring black people up to that point.
My lord... Imagine actually believing that because a black man eventually won the Heisman, racism in the voting really didn't exist. LMFAO, you are just furthering my point that Notre Dame fans have some serious rose colored glasses.
@culture-thrives: 75 mile radius as I recall. I was all set as a Packers fan. BTW.....thanks for giving us the Golden Boy for those 10 years. I saw JB play at the Beav in '55 and you just knew he was going to be someone special. Were you born and raised near Philly?? As for me, I grew up outside of York.
We werent fortunate enough to have a TV so I too remember being huddled around the radio trying to listen to the game. Nothing like listening to any game on the radio, the kids today dont know what they're missing....and I'm being serious.
Funny story: our Minister was a die-hard Colts fan; season ticket holder in fact. On the Sunday of home games, he would cut his sermon short; try to hustle everyone out of the church and speed down I-83 to make the kick off at Memorial stadium. I was pretty well understood by the congregation that you didnt want to be sick or die on game day
@tsuga Your memory is sharp as a tack, old boy....I may be older than you, and lived thru all that and then some, you took me down memory lane..As you point out, the '56 Heisman was indeed a two horse show, Paul Hornung, and Johnny Majors...Jim Brown had yet to become a household name , and played in relative obscurity at Syracuse,,He finished a distant 500 points out of the race...and the racism theory was debunked by ERnie Davis' '61 Heisman..I understand the Hornung-Majors debate...but if you go by their pro careers, the voters got it right..Hornung enjoyed a ten yr career, 4 time NFL champion, NFL MVP, while Majors never made it..
AND, speaking of TV, I believe national Ncaa games began in 1952, I watched in 1956, as the Tommy McDonald led Oklahoma Sooners routed ND, 40-0 McDonald finished third in Heisman voting, also Nfl HOF ER.. ON NATIONAL TV IN 1957, I watched as the Irish returned the favor as a huge 'dog, upsetting the Sooners 7-0, and ending their 47 game winning streak..
McDonald was then drafted. I believe after '56, by my Philadelphia Eagles...He became part of a lethal combo, with the Dutchman, Norm Van Brocklin leading the '60 Birds to a 17-13 victory over LOmbardi's Packers , only title game Vince lost,...AND Remember the old NFL blackout rule, 75-90 mile, not sure which..and as hard as it is now to believe, the '60 title game was blacked out in Philly, with my Dad, I and three younger brothers huddled around the radio on 12/26/60, enjoying the Birds victory...CHuck Bednarik literally sat on Jim Taylor at Birds 8 to end the game..Good times..
I don't know if you know culture but Tommy McDonald was from the town I grew up in Ashley, PA.
@tsuga YES...and still in Philly but less than a mile in, now near Bucks County..Many fans drove up northern jersey to catch that game....and as you know Lombardi's Packers won the title, 37-0 next yr, over the Giants
Ive read a few books on St Vincent...as you know the "Golden Boy" played hard of the field too...and Vince liked him so much, he often looked the other way, or a way out of penalizing him..its well documented, and rare for LOmbardi,the strict disciplinarian..
@cohappy I had no idea...I do know he was one of a kind, a little goofy at times...and he believed as a receiver, if you got your fingertips on it, it had to be caught ...he backed it up
A local writer and TV analyst, Ray Didinger grew very close with Tommy over the years..and has produced a long running play, "Tommy and Me"...
