first of all I do the best I can to explain myself...That way it is clear as to why I believe what I believe...You choose not to believe it and that is your prerogative...All of your pontificating and you have never once told me why we need a "committee"? Set up a system that you earn your way in...You do a very effective job of dancing around using every diversionary tactic possible but you never answer the question as to why a committee is necessary? ESPN is very effective at what they do...They use surrogates to write pieces preparing everybody for what is to come...You will see more of these spin/propaganda pieces released weekly so that when the "committee" releases their rankings it will give them some backup...it's like somebody lying to you and the other one swearing to it...There is no need for this "committee" at all other than to rig the outcome because if it was an honest playoff there would be a system in place where the teams would earn their way in without the need of some computer program or "committee"...You are a good dancer Roam...Fred Astair would be jealous if he were still alive...All the dancing in the world won't justify why a scam "committee" is necessary to determine who is in a playoff when you can set up a system in 45 seconds that would be determined on the field who gets in...That's the question...All of your dancing doesn't answer that question...WHY? WHY do we need a "committee" and a bullshit computer system to determine who is in the playoff? Why not just set up a system where you earn your way in through criteria...conference champs, conference runner ups, group of 5, notre dame...2 at large 3rd place teams or undefeated group of 5? Easy...You can dance all ya want around it...There is only 1 reason...So they can rig who is in...
...and yet others argued on here that wins matter, and if you lose twice then "you go to the back of the line" behind the 1 loss teams.The CFP committee knows Penn St beat Ohio St on the field and won the big 10 but they still believe Ohio St is the better team 😂 on the field results didn’t matter because the CFP committee wanted Ohio St…total BS imo
...but, but, but, well not in Penn State's case because other factors matter then.
Again...Why do you need a "committee"? You win your conference or lose in the conference championship game and your in...It's simple...Why do we need a committee? I laid out the system...Simple...Fair...Straight forward...why do we need a committee? I told ya why...So they can rig it...Keep dancing...The music stopped long ago though my friend...It's not a tough question...The problem is I am sure you know the answer to the question just like I know the answer to the question... 😊
I'd like to think college football is as simplistic as you think it is, but it's not.Again...Why do you need a "committee"? You win your conference or lose in the conference championship game and your in...It's simple...Why do we need a committee? I laid out the system...Simple...Fair...Straight forward...why do we need a committee? I told ya why...So they can rig it...Keep dancing...The music stopped long ago though my friend...It's not a tough question...The problem is I am sure you know the answer to the question just like I know the answer to the question... 😊
We need a committee because, sorry this pains you, the MAC and Sun Belt are inferior to the SEC and Big Ten. UMass isn't as good a program as Notre Dame among independents. There are 133 programs out there, and simply saying that some teams can play cupcakes while others run a guantlet is not what many people call fair. They call that willful ignorance.
Simply saying "you can only play the teams on your schedule" is an excuse to play shitty games.
...and just because someone doesn't agree with me that a committee serves a purpose, doesn't mean I think they are corrupt or too stupid to realize something.
@the-funeral-director Also, you said earlier that the NFL has a good model, but you also argue that Penn State should be in because we won our conference.
Yet those two things are in conflict, because under the NFL system Ohio State would have won the division that year... not us. Funny how that works huh? What a surprise that a team you root for got that benefit in your argument? But.... yeah no bias detected there....
You see, in the NFL... only your overall record counts. You can win every game in your division and still not win it. Because overall record matters more. The Cowboys could be 6-0 in the division, yet not go to the playoffs because the Giants had an easier schedule out of division. So the Giants overall record trumps the Cowboys divisional record.
And guess what????? The NFL FULLY ADMITS they do it on purpose so more teams get to the playoffs every year. They manipulate the schedules for "competitive balance", meaning they know that they are making it harder for some teams and easier for others.
So OSU had a better overall record, you are for an NFL type system, but still complain we got shafted. Lol
Then eliminate them from contention...Don't use that as an excuse to rig the system...The question is do you think Boise State could beat Vanderbilt? If you answer yes to that question your point has no validity...Because Vanderbilt beat Alabama...You think Boise State can beat Kentucky? Kentucky beat Ole Miss...I think Boise State has every right to be in the CFP and in fact if there are 2 undefeated teams from the group of 5 put em in and let em play...We go through conference schedules and a conference championship game...Do I wanna see repeat conference games...NO...It is simple...They make it complicated to play the shell game to get their teams in...I just saw Army this weekend...I am gonna tell ya...They play Notre Dame at Yankee Stadium in a few weeks...All I have got to say is Notre Dame better come ready to play or they are gonna lose...Army is big and physical up front and their QB is really good...I say decide it on the field...Let em play...It is hard for me to keep up with all of these schools with the conference changes...BYU is in the big 12 now so they win their way in by winning the conference...there is always 1 team from the group of 5 that deserves in and sometimes 2...it is wrong to exclude these schools that have a loss or are undefeated to put a 5th team in from the SEC or B!G...No conference should send more than 3 teams in...Like I said...there is no need for a committee other than to rig the tournament...Which is why this committee exists...it is that simple...
@the-funeral-director I'd love to be blind and think college football is one "big system" controlled by a sigular entity like you do, but it isn't. They reality of the situation is there is the NCAA, the Big Ten, the SEC, the Big 12, etc. etc. etc. and getting them all agree is not easy. It's not "simple" like you think. That's simplistic thinking.
The conferences are not allowed to act as one entity, because it's an anti-trust issue. They are seperate from the NCAA. You cant just sing koombyya and get them all to agree. There are laws, politics, money, fair play, etc. NIL? Blame politicians for passing laws that make it impossible to manage. There are all sorts of factors going into it.
The NCAA cant just waive a wand and say "these schools in the MAC and Sun Belt are no longer FBS". They would get sued. Those schools did everything that was asked of them, and knew the system they were coming into. It was their choice to enter it. They did so willingly. Now you argue that they should just be kicked out? Lmao.
"No conference should send more than 3 teams in" - where did you come up with that arbitrary number?
In the end, imo, the D3 model is about as good as it gets, 32 teams.
D1 = 10 Conferences: take conference champion, runner up, 3rd place regular season finisher, and round out with two independent teams. Simple way of coming up with 32 teams, and could have a legit "on any given Saturday" although the hill would be a lot higher for the bottom 3rd.
It is interesting that a football game is decided on final score, but just as figure skating, there are subjective style, difficulty and persuasion points that get added or deducted.
Thank god we have track and field where the end number is the end number.
I have said that for years 61...Why doesn't the division with all the money not run it's college football playoff like every other classification in college football? All you heard for the last 30 years were cock and bull stories and excuses...They didn't do it because they protected the bowl money...Now to Roam...I don't argue they should be kicked out...What I am saying is if you aren't going to put them into the tournament and they have no chance to be in this tournament they deserve the chance to compete for a championship so create a division for them to compete for a national championship....3 isn't an arbitrary number I just came up with...I posted my personal playoff system and the criteria to get in...4 conference champs...4 conference championship losers...2 group of 5 teams or Notre Dame if they qualify and 2 at large teams to be picked from the 3rd place team from the big 4 power conferences...That's 12 teams....no more than 3 teams should come from a conference...That is what league play is for...
LMAO... so your system just arbitrarily cuts out the group of 5 conferences as inferior and not deserving of more consideration like the power 4?I have said that for years 61...Why doesn't the division with all the money not run it's college football playoff like every other classification in college football? All you heard for the last 30 years were cock and bull stories and excuses...They didn't do it because they protected the bowl money...Now to Roam...I don't argue they should be kicked out...What I am saying is if you aren't going to put them into the tournament and they have no chance to be in this tournament they deserve the chance to compete for a championship so create a division for them to compete for a national championship....3 isn't an arbitrary number I just came up with...I posted my personal playoff system and the criteria to get in...4 conference champs...4 conference championship losers...2 group of 5 teams or Notre Dame if they qualify and 2 at large teams to be picked from the 3rd place team from the big 4 power conferences...That's 12 teams....no more than 3 teams should come from a conference...That is what league play is for...
You do the same exact thing as the comitteee, give more credit to other conferences and teams. Only you do in before the games are even played, rather than seeing the games and picking.
Under your system, a horrible 3rd team from a "power 5" could get in rather than a champion group of 5 team. After all of your preaching, that's exactly what you are doing: "Hey Boise State and Liberty... you guys are in because WE THINK you are the best two Group of 5 teams. But sorry Georgia Southern... you're left out for a 3rd place Power 4 school.
How on earth is this any different? Who is picking which teams go? Why do Power 4 schools get losing teams (2nd place) in BY DEFAULT? I mean, you argued that anyone could beat anyone, that all undefeated teams should be treated the same, yet what you laid out is just a set of arbitrary rules that certain conferences matter more and other conferences are SOL. That's your personal playoff system?
Also... all the lower conference schools CHOSE to enter this system. Many moved up to the FBS recently. They were fully aware what they were getting into, so don't act like they were forced into this. James Madison knew full well the system they were entering when they jumped from FCS to FBS. So did App State. So did UMass. Etc. All the schools do.
If the major schools want to leave and play by themseleves... so be it. However, as I stated the playoff system you laid out is HEAVILY skewed to the Power 4. After all the things you have said, that baffles me. If you truly think all FBS schools are equal, and only wins/loses matter and not who you played... why are you favoring some conferences over others?
How is it heavily skewed to the power 4? I give 2 auto slots to each conference and 2 slots to the group of 5...Then there are 2 at large bids...You can give them to a team like Notre Dame if they qualify or take 2 3rd place teams from a power 4 conference...Hell my system gives the group of 5 2 slots...In this current system they will get 1...So am I to assume that you don't feel like conference runner ups don't deserve to get in? What do you propose? Put 5 or 6 teams in from a conference who only plays with themselves? Look at Texas's schedule...Their signature win was beating Michigan...Michigan has 2 losses in the B1G already...Illinois just kicked their asses...We beat Illinios...Who has 1 loss...To Penn State...So how is there signature win really a signature win? Look at their schedule...Texas has played Colorado State, Michigan, University of Texas El Paso, University of Louisiana Monroe, Mississippi State, Oklahoma & Georgia...Oklahoma is another paper tiger...They got 3 losses...I can go on and on...I am not favoring any conference...Each of the 5 conferences get 2 teams in...Then you get 2 at large teams...Notre Dame if they qualify and the #3 team from a conference or another group of 5 if you have an undefeated team you left out...You can't get more even than that...These conference games have to matter and in my opinion you need to finish either 1st or 2nd to guarantee a spot in...If you have 4 undefeated group of 5 teams they should get in before 2 3rd place conference teams...I haven't researched the historical data on that but this season there are only 6 unbeaten teams left and 3 are in the B1G...If LSU wins the SEC a mid tier B1G team beat em head to head...They are spinning it heavy...They are going to try to convince everybody that there should be 5 SEC teams in this tournament regardless of scores and the games...I think that is a load of malarkey...Look at ESPN's coverage...Look at their SP+ rankings...Look at Dinich's article again on the playoffs...They are trying to convince everybody that the games don't matter...Look at their top 20...
Post-Week 8 SP+ Rankings
| Team | Rating | Offense | Defense | Spec Tms |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. Ohio St. (5-1) | 29.1 | 39.7 (8) | 11.0 (1) | 0.4 (4) |
| 2. Texas (6-1) | 27.4 | 40.4 (5) | 12.6 (4) | -0.3 (115) |
| 3. Ole Miss (5-2) | 26.8 | 39.8 (7) | 13.4 (6) | 0.4 (3) |
| 4. Georgia (6-1) | 25.6 | 39.8 (6) | 14.6 (9) | 0.4 (10) |
| 5. Oregon (7-0) | 24.6 | 42.2 (2) | 17.9 (20) | 0.3 (27) |
| 6. Penn St. (6-0) | 24.4 | 36.9 (11) | 12.4 (2) | 0.0 (76) |
| 7. Alabama (5-2) | 23.9 | 41.8 (4) | 17.8 (19) | -0.1 (84) |
| 8. Notre Dame (6-1) | 22.7 | 35.2 (18) | 12.8 (5) | 0.3 (30) |
| 9. Tennessee (6-1) | 21.7 | 34.0 (25) | 12.5 (3) | 0.2 (33) |
| 10. Miami (7-0) | 21.7 | 44.2 (1) | 22.8 (43) | 0.3 (28) |
| 11. LSU (6-1) | 20.2 | 42.0 (3) | 22.0 (38) | 0.3 (25) |
| 12. Indiana (7-0) | 18.8 | 36.9 (12) | 18.5 (22) | 0.4 (12) |
| 13. Clemson (6-1) | 18.5 | 38.5 (9) | 19.8 (27) | -0.2 (98) |
| 14. Texas A&M (6-1) | 18.1 | 34.1 (23) | 16.4 (13) | 0.3 (21) |
| 15. Missouri (6-1) | 17.9 | 34.9 (20) | 17.2 (16) | 0.1 (50) |
| 16. Kansas St. (6-1) | 16.3 | 35.9 (16) | 19.9 (28) | 0.3 (22) |
| 17. SMU (6-1) | 16.0 | 36.9 (13) | 21.0 (30) | 0.1 (57) |
| 18. Florida (4-3) | 13.7 | 36.1 (15) | 22.8 (44) | 0.4 (13) |
| 19. Iowa St. (7-0) | 13.6 | 30.7 (46) | 17.2 (18) | 0.1 (54) |
| 20. Wisconsin (5-2) | 12.0 | 27.4 (63) | 15.3 (11) | -0.1 (87) |
Again this is how propaganda works...Keep telling the same lie over and over again and eventually they will believe it...Well I ain't letting this garbage go unchecked...Look at that list and justify it? This is what ESPN is peddling...They have 9 SEC teams in the top 20...You're right...There is no bias there...Business has nothing to do with this...These rankings are totally legit...If you believe this shit I got a bridge up here in New York I will sell ya...
@the-funeral-director My point is you keep yelling about everything being corrupt, then put forth a system that unequally favors Power 4 conferences and still leaves basically scraps for everyone else.
Your system doesn't seem any less corrupt than what we have now. You guarantee more spots for Power 4's, and still need a comittee to tell us all which Group of 5 conferences have better teams... as well as who gets a 3rd team in.
Just looks like the same ol song and dance.
Don't need a committee for the group of 5 teams...It's simple...This ain't rocket science...My system guarantees that each of the 4 power conferences get their top 2 teams in...Which ain't happening this year...I want equal representation from every conference and the group of 5's...Each gets 2 in guaranteed...Notre Dame gets in as an at large if they qualify in and if they don't qualify in you can either pick from 3rd place power 4 conference teams or take in 2 more group of 5's if they have undefeated teams...This year you are going to have 5 SEC teams in at a minimum, 3 B1G teams so there are 8 teams from 2 conferences...Notre Dame appears to be in so there you have 9...That leaves 1 ACC, 1 Big 12 team and 1 Group of 5 team in...Now how your logic comes up with me favoring a conference or anything baffles me...This is simple...You have 5 groups or conferences...You guarantee 2 teams from each of those 5 groups plus Notre Dame if they qualify and an at large team or if Notre Dame don't qualify then you pick up 2 at large teams...Much more even split and much fairer system...Please explain how 2 teams from each group or conference is less equitable than 5 teams from 1 conference? 2,2,2,2,2 plus Notre Dame and an at large team and preferably an undefeated group of 5 team or 2 3rd place teams from the power 4 or any combination there of...I don't know how you get much fairer than that and you know the deal...You earn your way in...Conference games matter and each game is an elimination game in conference...So please explain to me how that system is less equitable than putting 5 teams from a conference in? Which is exactly what they are going to do this year...They are already trying to convince you losses are better than wins and 2 loss teams are better than undefeated teams...It's a joke and insults your intelligence...
@the-funeral-director fudge ND! If they want in the playoffs they can get in a conference and have to compete for a conference championship just like all the other teams. I’m sick of their ass being licked. Get a dang system where you have to win a conference championship to get in the playoffs.
What are you talking about? There are 4 Power conferences and over 6 smaller conferences. So unless you system just jettisons over half the FBS teams, you're in fantasyland.Don't need a committee for the group of 5 teams...It's simple...This ain't rocket science...My system guarantees that each of the 4 power conferences get their top 2 teams in...Which ain't happening this year...I want equal representation from every conference and the group of 5's...Each gets 2 in guaranteed...Notre Dame gets in as an at large if they qualify in and if they don't qualify in you can either pick from 3rd place power 4 conference teams or take in 2 more group of 5's if they have undefeated teams...This year you are going to have 5 SEC teams in at a minimum, 3 B1G teams so there are 8 teams from 2 conferences...Notre Dame appears to be in so there you have 9...That leaves 1 ACC, 1 Big 12 team and 1 Group of 5 team in...Now how your logic comes up with me favoring a conference or anything baffles me...This is simple...You have 5 groups or conferences...You guarantee 2 teams from each of those 5 groups plus Notre Dame if they qualify and an at large team or if Notre Dame don't qualify then you pick up 2 at large teams...Much more even split and much fairer system...Please explain how 2 teams from each group or conference is less equitable than 5 teams from 1 conference? 2,2,2,2,2 plus Notre Dame and an at large team and preferably an undefeated group of 5 team or 2 3rd place teams from the power 4 or any combination there of...I don't know how you get much fairer than that and you know the deal...You earn your way in...Conference games matter and each game is an elimination game in conference...So please explain to me how that system is less equitable than putting 5 teams from a conference in? Which is exactly what they are going to do this year...They are already trying to convince you losses are better than wins and 2 loss teams are better than undefeated teams...It's a joke and insults your intelligence...
How on earth have you convinced yourself that guaranteeing Power 4 conferences 2 spots a piece, but only giving 2 spots guaranteed to the rest of the conferences is "equitable"? Lmao.
Also... how does ND "qualify" as at at large team? Who exactly is picking that? What metric are you using for them?? Or any other at large team?
