Is it possible he bolted to LSU because he saw a drop in talent for the Irish?
It was his job NOT to have a drop in Talent! So guess LSU is about have a drop in talent there too?
LSU recruiting is Alabama style
And what might that be?
- @rip NFL bound talent
- https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/college/
He means there is an academic requirement at ND. In some places with no academic requirement they will admit there is no requirement but tell you we need to give the kids an opportunity. BLESS THEIR HEARTS.
The NCAA seems to agree. Bless their hearts too 😎
He means there is an academic requirement at ND. In some places with no academic requirement they will admit there is no requirement but tell you we need to give the kids an opportunity. BLESS THEIR HEARTS.
The NCAA seems to agree. Bless their hearts too 😎
NCAA and Conferences do have academic requirements to stay eligible. D1 players on scholarship are given free tuition, room, board and tutoring (at a minimum). Very few are going to be NFL players, so if they choose not to take advantage of the academic opportunities, I have no sympathy.
Who cares whether ND has higher entrance requirements than University "X". Once you are accepted at either school, the opportunity for a college degree is equal.
Sorry, I was not accurate and clear. I used the term 'no academic requirement' in a relative sense. I should have said 'works the grey area of the minimum and declining NCAA requirement'.
There was a time when the NCAA published much more regarding academic results. At one time you might see now minority football players did at PSU vs the student population in general and minorities innthe student population in general. Quit that public data over 10 years ago.
It is hard to argue that recruiting at certain unnamed schools is easier than others. It is hidden by statements like 'the process', 'opportunity' etc. Does ND have a recruiting advantage, yea the history and the NBC support but they still maintain a standard above the absolute minimum. Full disclosure as most PSU Fans, I'm a ND hater.
The trend has been towards paying players and against education for many years. It is becoming more honest. If you are honest and you admit you don't intend to educate and that you hire young men that don't really have the ability to be educated either due to raw IQ or prior poor education. And that you intend to make big $ using them on fall Saturdays for entertainment then perhaps they should be paid. But under the current process, a few will get an education, a few will get 'image $'. And we excuse it all that they are given the opportunity. The NBAA can interview me and claim I had the opportunity but did I really.
Back to Kelly, he can recruit anyone he wants now. There will be some that pick Stanford, ND, and PSU because they want some semblance of an education. His problem is he is now in the same recruiting system with Saban.
If you are honest and you admit you don't intend to educate and that you hire young men that don't really have the ability to be educated either due to raw IQ or prior poor education.
I would agree with most of what you said, except this part. There are just about zero football players out there that do not have the ability to be educated. They all can do it, but many choose not to.
Why do I say this? Because while football used to be a game of mainly athleticism, it's way beyond that now. You are not going to be successful in college football without being smart. You just won't. You need to be able to identify major blitz packages, lineups, schemes, etc. and be able to adapt to them in a split second. QBs, RBs, WRs, LBs, DBs, etc. They all need to make major adjustments based on what they see. Those things just can't be done if you're stupid. That and you need to learn about a whole different team and their schemes every week.
Some kids just choose not to apply themselves to academic learning. Honestly though, I've met quite a few football players... some who excelled in school and some who were terrible. I can completely see why many would write them off as dumb, and in a certain sense rightfully so. They don't present themselves well, speak poorly, and otherwise don't have the "booksmarts" to show they aren't stupid. However, when topics they care about come around, good luck trying to keep up. The wealth of knowledge they can access, and how quickly they can access it becomes apparent. At that moment you realize that most of them COULD do it, but they just don't want to... for whatever reason.
Unfortunatly for them, most of them won't make the NFL either. At that point, they are up chit creek without a paddle because they lack any useful knowledge for white collar work. Also, a lot of them seem to lack the confidence that they could learn if they wanted to.
If you are honest and you admit you don't intend to educate and that you hire young men that don't really have the ability to be educated either due to raw IQ or prior poor education.
I would agree with most of what you said, except this part. There are just about zero football players out there that do not have the ability to be educated. They all can do it, but many choose not to.
Why do I say this? Because while football used to be a game of mainly athleticism, it's way beyond that now. You are not going to be successful in college football without being smart. You just won't. You need to be able to identify major blitz packages, lineups, schemes, etc. and be able to adapt to them in a split second. QBs, RBs, WRs, LBs, DBs, etc. They all need to make major adjustments based on what they see. Those things just can't be done if you're stupid. That and you need to learn about a whole different team and their schemes every week.
Some kids just choose not to apply themselves to academic learning. Honestly though, I've met quite a few football players... some who excelled in school and some who were terrible. I can completely see why many would write them off as dumb, and in a certain sense rightfully so. They don't present themselves well, speak poorly, and otherwise don't have the "booksmarts" to show they aren't stupid. However, when topics they care about come around, good luck trying to keep up. The wealth of knowledge they can access, and how quickly they can access it becomes apparent. At that moment you realize that most of them COULD do it, but they just don't want to... for whatever reason.
Unfortunatly for them, most of them won't make the NFL either. At that point, they are up chit creek without a paddle because they lack any useful knowledge for white collar work. Also, a lot of them seem to lack the confidence that they could learn if they wanted to.
How about this:
Two ways to play college football.
1. Same as today and get a degree.
2. Play as an employee of the university and get scholarship money (+room and board) paid directly to the player. All NCAA eligibility rules apply except those that address academics. Cannot attend classes and do not receive a degree.
I wonder what percentage would choose option 1.
As someone once said, "Didn't come here to play school."
Those that take advantage of the educational opportunities will be fine in the future. Almost all those that do not, will end up wit nothing but memories.
Fact is Kelly will be fine; will give athletes the opportunity to try out for the NFL; some will make it and some won't; those who don't will go on to a variety of careers with professional degrees; corporate; local business; to welfare just as most other schools.
@psu61 I’m on record right now say he will win a NC in the 5 years. I believe he’s that good of a coach. Just gotta get a QB then the SEC will be chasing LSU.
I have nothing against some kid coming to college and giving football their all while half-a$$ing classes. Practically 25% of the student body half-a$$es classes and goes to frat parties, keggers, and raves. At least they are comitting themselves to getting better in what they want their profession to be. They can always go back to school after football is over, or get into coaching, etc. etc. etc. They will have options, but at least they are doing more than just partying on mom and dad's dime.
I guess it's how you look at college... Is it really "to be educated", or is it to prepare for getting a job. Because let's be honest, there are plenty of kids in school getting useless psycology degrees that really don't translate into much... other than having a piece of paper that says "I got a degree so you can hire me now"
I resent your characterization of " useless psycology degrees". I received a BS in Psychology from PDU and was able to put it to good use in a 35 yr career in Labor Relations!
@rip I will apologize regarding my generalization but the point stands. Had I used kinesiology, basket weaving, AA Studies or Parks and Recreation someone else would have been insulted.
While I'm insulting, anyone ever suggest that schools that use these largely minority kids without much intent of educating them are racist?
I also am in error when I infer that football players cant get an education. It would be more correct to say many have not prepared during their HS years and are not ready to for college and as such have not paid their dues to get into college. I find it disappointing that some people have discipline only in certain areas and the football experience does not translate to important things in life.
I'm sure Paterno had his failures but at least he tried. The NCAA has clearly rejected a Paterno model for a Bowden Saban model. Darn, there I go again, insulting people. And yes I think LSU follows that model and has since before NCAA Czar Emerett was there.
But hey, at least we don't have to forgive their loans at taxpayer expense...that should upset another 50% of you.
@rip I will apologize regarding my generalization but the point stands. Had I used kinesiology, basket weaving, AA Studies or Parks and Recreation someone else would have been insulted.
While I'm insulting, anyone ever suggest that schools that use these largely minority kids without much intent of educating them are racist?
I also am in error when I infer that football players cant get an education. It would be more correct to say many have not prepared during their HS years and are not ready to for college and as such have not paid their dues to get into college. I find it disappointing that some people have discipline only in certain areas and the football experience does not translate to important things in life.
I'm sure Paterno had his failures but at least he tried. The NCAA has clearly rejected a Paterno model for a Bowden Saban model. Darn, there I go again, insulting people. And yes I think LSU follows that model and has since before NCAA Czar Emerett was there.
But hey, at least we don't have to forgive their loans at taxpayer expense...that should upset another 50% of you.
I'm confused Underlion. I was responding to Roam's comment about " useless psycology degrees"., not anything you said.
Sorry, I just felt guilty....I could have said something like that. But I do appreciate some psychology professionals including sports psychologists. And if you are stretching yourself to get a Parks and Recreation degree I guess it is better than nothing. I had a liberal arts professor once that thought we should all get libeal arts degrees and then decide what we wanted to do. A required ethics class. He clearly had a bias and thought $ grew on trees. To him I was a prostitute I guess.
I just can't accept the way things have trended as a PSU Grand Experiment supporter. But the SEC and ESPN is not going to support education.
Education is the single most important thing to sucess and America does not prioritize like some countries. In addition we are also losing 'the protestant work ethic'. S Korea, from my limited experience, makes our education system look average at best. Want to move up in this world EDUCATION not FOOTBALL. Sorry, even many of the guys that make it to the NFL are busted 5 years after they leave. Thankyou NCAA maybe I can sell cars in Tuscaloosa or where ever they remember me....
The NCAA has become little more than a monopolistic business enriching itself. And when pressured to do something they choose NIL which helps very few players, doesn't improve education, but doesn't hurt the NCAA's profitability.
Hey but at least football players don't come out of school $100k in debt with a useless degree....they leave with no debt and no degree or a useless degree....OK I generalize again 😀 But realistically it is hard to get your studies in with football demands. Even when the coach obeys the NCAA time rules (Michigan Rodriquez?).
Remember Coach Kelly 'What is good for LSU Football, is good for LSU'.
Thanks for clarifying, Underlion. I must say, IU tend to agree with all you're saying. In JoePa,s day, education was a priority.
