I know this is a college forum, but they end up in the NFL so I'm going for it. For years I'd get annoyed every time annoucers fawned over Belechik with the genius, amazing, best coach ever labels. I think it's pretty damn clear now why he won so much: Brady.
It wasn't his "genius intellect", his "meticulous" game plans, his grumpy persona, or the "Patriot Way" we all had to hear about every week. It was a pick in the 6th round that they got lucky with. Brady is the Goat.
Bill Walsh did it without Montana, Bill Parcells did it without Simms, and Belechik in 8+ seasons without Brady hasn't even won a division. Made the playoffs once, and with Brady he only missed them once. This point is not debatable, Belechik without Brady isn't even an average head coach, he's a below average head coach. Full Stop.
I don’t remember bill Walsh winning a super bowl without Montana. You also got to remember that bill Belichik been doing this a long time and you ain’t going to win till you retire you usually retire because you’ve stopped winning or you get fired. The Tuna, Jimmy Johnson, Chuck Noll and Tom Laundry are perfect examples Bill Belichik just did it better and longer than these coaches I just mentioned.
I don’t remember bill Walsh winning a super bowl without Montana. You also got to remember that bill Belichik been doing this a long time and you ain’t going to win till you retire you usually retire because you’ve stopped winning or you get fired. The Tuna, Jimmy Johnson, Chuck Noll and Tom Laundry are perfect examples Bill Belichik just did it better and longer than these coaches I just mentioned.
Walsh showed he was a good coach at Stanford before ever taking over San Francisco. Both teams were jokes before he took them over.
No, those arent perfect examples because Belechik sucked before Brady, he missed playoffs when Brady was injured, and now he sucks again without Brady.
So before, during, and after he stunk without Brady. At what point do you acknowledge that fact. He made the playoffs once without Brady as a wild card in 8-9 years.
Add to it Brady goes to underachieving Tampa Bay and all of a sudden they are SB champs.
Billy Boy Belichick or Belicheat as the late great Don Shula referred to him has always been a fraud...I view tricky nicky saban the same...I am not a fan of either of em...Belichick's coaching tree has been less than awe inspiring as well...
Maybe you are right. I guess I'd have to ask how the defense is doing. The QB leaving did not hurt the defense. Then I seem to remember the team kept improving under Bledsoe and I was surprised when he was 'sidelined'. Was Belechik not there for some of the Bledsoe years?
I was kinda for NE until they won a Superbowl. Now I could care a less about the NFL.
I believe Bill Belichick and Slick Nick Saban are 2 of the best coaches in all of sports history. You don’t win that many championships and games by accident. 2 tough dudes and 2 great coaches.
Oh there is a difference between them. In the Pros you don't get to get the best players every year...unless you are the Yankees :-). It is rare that Slick plays a team with better players and when he does he isn't so impressive. Much more parity of talent in the NFL IMO.
Belechik took over a team that hadnt had a losing season in 4 year that had made the playoffs 3 timez in those 4 years... and promptly went 5-11.
Then Brady took over. He was also a trainwreck of a coach in Cleveland. And now that Brady is gone, the Pats aren't good.
I'd change my tune if the Patriots get good again, but without Brady his record is AWFUL. 9 years is enough to see what he looks like as coach if the GOAT isnt playing QB
I thought Cleveland made the playoffs when he was there and we’re talking about Cleveland. He drafted Brady and he was a 6 round draft pick and who’s to say Belichick ain’t the reason why Brady is so good because he was his coach for many years. Also when Brady got hurt didn’t NE still have a winning season that year. The man has 9 or 10 rings roam how much more proof do you need lol
https://pro-football-history.com/coach/21/bill-belichick-bio
My wife is having surgery so I’m trying to get better with my computer skills 😂
I thought Cleveland made the playoffs when he was there and we’re talking about Cleveland. He drafted Brady and he was a 6 round draft pick and who’s to say Belichick ain’t the reason why Brady is so good because he was his coach for many years. Also when Brady got hurt didn’t NE still have a winning season that year. The man has 9 or 10 rings roam how much more proof do you need lol
He has 6 rings, all with Brady. And in Cleveland he made the playoffs once as a wild card and stunk the rest of the time.
When Brady was injured, he missed the playoffs. Who cares what his record was, isn't the point to make the playoffs?
Simple fact is Brady has shown he can win super bowls without Belichik, and Belichik has shown absolutley nothing. He struggles to even make the playoffs, yet people still make excuses.
I guess if Bruce Arians had Brady in Tampa the last 10 years he'd be a genius too?
@roaminglion I’m not making excuses for anything, he’s got 8 rings as a HC and asa DC and the dude has played in what 10 Super Bowls? He made Cleveland better and got ‘em in the playoffs. The year Brady got hurt he still went 11-5 ties for the division so that does matter when you have a winning record when your starting QB goes down stuff just happened that didn’t go their way to make the playoffs. The top 5 QB’s all time are probably just as good as Brady they just didn’t have Bill Belichick as their coach and that imo kept them from winning more Super Bowls. You’re sounding like the jimmy Johnson haters that don’t give him credit for winning 7 championships because he won ‘em all with one crew chief. That’s crazy talk, all that matters is how many championships did you win baby and how many games did you win and how many playoff games did you win and Bill Belichicks Track record speaks for itself.
@roaminglion I’m not making excuses for anything, he’s got 8 rings as a HC and asa DC and the dude has played in what 10 Super Bowls? He made Cleveland better and got ‘em in the playoffs. The year Brady got hurt he still went 11-5 ties for the division so that does matter when you have a winning record when your starting QB goes down stuff just happened that didn’t go their way to make the playoffs. The top 5 QB’s all time are probably just as good as Brady they just didn’t have Bill Belichick as their coach and that imo kept them from winning more Super Bowls. You’re sounding like the jimmy Johnson haters that don’t give him credit for winning 7 championships because he won ‘em all with one crew chief. That’s crazy talk, all that matters is how many championships did you win baby and how many games did you win and how many playoff games did you win and Bill Belichicks Track record speaks for itself.
What a bunch of nonsense. Brady leave Belechik and wins another Super Bowl while Belechik goes 7-9, and your conclusion is Brady is "just as good" as some other top 5 QB's they just didn't have Belechik as HC?
WTF? And if Belechik "made Cleveland better", why did he get fired when they went 5-11? In what world would you ever credit another coach not named Belechik for 4 terrible seasons and one wild card berth? LMAO.
Brady did it without Belechik, Belechik has done nothing without Brady. That is a fact, and somehow you've convinced yourself that Brady isn't better than other top QB's but Belechik is the best coach ever.
Why does everybody hate on jimmy Johnson, Phil Jackson, slick Nick Saban and Belichick 😂 I don’t get anything out of liking these dudes but come on man these dudes are some of the greatest at what they do or did. Doesn’t get any better
Who said anything about those other guys? Jimmy Johnson did it in college and pro, Saban did it at multiple schools, and Jackson won in two cities.
Belechik has yet to do it without Brady, that is why I don't consider him among the best. His record in 9 years without brady is horrific.
@roaminglion I’m talking about the race car driver jimmy Johnson lol.
you thinking Belichick is a fraud and FD thinking Saban is a fraud and me telling y’all they are 2 of the greatest coaches of all time in all of sports is making me look way smarter than I really am. Keep it up guys I’ll take this all day 😂
@roaminglion I’m talking about the race car driver jimmy Johnson lol.
you thinking Belichick is a fraud and FD thinking Saban is a fraud and me telling y’all they are 2 of the greatest coaches of all time in all of sports is making me look way smarter than I really am. Keep it up guys I’ll take this all day 😂
I didn't say he was a fraud, I said I get tired of the "genius" labels and "Patriot way" nonsense everyone always talks about with him.
Yeah fine, he's a good coach but I am not putting him up with best ever if absent Brady his teams never did anything
Oh I’m just going on with y’all having fun everybody has their own opinions that’s what makes sports fun. I do believe Mac Jones will be a good QB that kid can play. If Jones does pan out I believe Belichick will get the all time wins record as well. I’m not a fan of NE I just like the HC I like watching coaches and players break records
Jones will be an average QB and Belichick will never win another superbowl...Belichick was a defensive coordinator and that is his claim to fame...The NFL is all about the QB and he who has the best QB will always be the smartest man in the room...As far as Saban's record at Michigan State here it is...
1995 Michigan State 6–5–1 4–3–1 5th L Independence
1996 Michigan State 6–6 5–3 5th L Sun
1997 Michigan State 7–5 4–4 6th L Aloha
1998 Michigan State 6–6 4–4 6th
1999 Michigan State 9–2[n 2] 6–2 T–2nd Florida Citrus
Hardly a stellar record...He parlayed 1 good season into a job at LSU where he inherited a champ
It's easy to win when you have the best talent...He was average to below averagionship team...Went to the NFL and got his head handed to him and got hired at Bama...
His record at LSU wasn't that great either
| 2000 | LSU | 8–4 | 5–3 | 3rd (Western) | W Peach | 22 | |
| 2001 | LSU | 10–3 | 5–3 | 1st (Western) | W Sugar† | 8 | 7 |
| 2002 | LSU | 8–5 | 5–3 | T–2nd (Western)[n 3] | L Cotton | ||
| 2003 | LSU | 13–1 | 7–1 | 1st (Western) | W Sugar† | 1 | 2 |
| 2004 | LSU | 9–3 | 6–2 | 2nd (Western) | L Capital One | 16 | 16 |
Franklin had a rough first 2 years cause of the sanctions and with the exception of last year he has done as good a job as Saban did at LSU...
I don't think either one of em are all time great coaches...Billy Boy had Brady and tricky Nicky never won with any consistency til he got to Bama...
To be fair to Saban check and see how bad Michigan St was before he got there and he did win the SEC and NC at LSU and Alabama was in pretty bad shape when he got to Alabama barely making bowl games and after a 7-6 first season it is what it is..SEC championships and 6 NC’s and a bunch of wins I don’t know all the numbers but it’s the best I’ve ever seen happen since he’s been there.
As for Belichick please click the link I put up it will explain everything you need to know it’s to much for me to type it lays everything out why Belichick is the best and it ain’t even debatable per that website which ole southern here agrees with.
I would’ve had Joe Gibbs 2nd best all time but it’s a great list of coaches.
He had Brady(arguably the GOAT) as his QB for 20 yrs, see if he can pull it together now that Brady's gone. If that happens, we can discuss Belichick's greatness, until then we're all entitled to our opinions, including the gent that wrote that article.
