In the article here Smith says they expanded with Rutgers and MD to protect PSU.....RFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!! More like the Big Ten didn't want PSU bailing for another conference....we certainly didn't need their fan base, and their market share didn't increase what teams made from tv because duh, there were two more mouths to feed. HERE is the real reason: "Jim [Delany] felt that someday, if we didn’t have anyone else in that corridor [i.e., Northeast Corridor], someday it wouldn’t make sense maybe for Penn State to be in our league. That they would go into a league somewhere on the east coast . By doing that [adding Maryland and Rutgers], it keeps us in the northeast corridor"........THEY WERE PROTECTING THEMSELVES....Smith is a bonafied idiot and hopefully not on the candidate list to take over the big ten. https://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/2019/03/ohio-state-ad-gene-smith-says-part-of-big-ten-expansion-with-rutgers-maryland-was-to-protect-penn-state.html
Say what you will, but I think both sides of this are bunk. Penn State was never leaving the Big Ten and the Big Ten was never worried about us leaving.
The ACC doesn't make nearly as much financial sense for PSU, the research alone in the CIC is worth millions upon millions. No way Penn State would ever leave that money just to bolt to the ACC in order to play Pitt and Syracuse (also likely Maryland and Rutgers)? No one else in that league has ties to us at all. It's a academic downgrade as well because while the school rankings are similar, many ACC schools are not in the AAU which is very prestigious.
I just never saw it happening, at all. Add to everything out entire athletic department beyond football, which I feel wouldn't match up as well with ACC sports as it does in the Big Ten. Volleyball, Wrestling, and Ice Hockey? The ACC is not nearly as good or even existent in those sports. It was never an issue, there was never a time when PSU even felt like moving to the ACC.
Absolutely, they were protecting themselves from losing Penn State to the ACC or another conference. When I read the article, I thought that was what Smith meant when he said "we were protecting Penn State".
Smith is the Gomer Pyle of the B1G.
Penn st would be the big dawg the ACC always needed? Penn st would make all ACC sports better except maybe basketball lol. ACC wrestler is getting better so could you imagine if penn st was in the ACC Roam?
I'm with Roam, leaving the B1G would make no sense whatsoever: financial, academic, research, sports, etc. Only an idiot would leave the B1G for any other conference. By the way, the CIC is now called the B1G Academic Alliance. The only thing they may have rethought was adding Nebraska. If they knew that Nebraska was going to lose AAU membership, then I think they would have picked Missouri instead.
Penn st made the big 10 relevant again because nobody cared anything about the big 10 for 25 or 30 years before penn st joined. The conference was garbage in football. The big 10 got a lot more than penn st got. Penn st could’ve got just As rich in the ACC and IMO the ACC would be a better conference than the big 10 if penn st was in it.
Every other conference is the Big Ten's red headed stepchild when it comes to money. No one else comes close.
Even the SEC pales in comparison, they may make the samesin sportss but the research money is just plain ridiculous. Penn State would be stupid to leave, basically cutting off our nose to spite our face.
Sure, we could be a big dawg in Football in the ACC. One that is making a lot less money overall... So why? Just the way I see it, the ACC ship sailed back in 1993
They’re evening the money up by keeping the big 10 out of the playoffs lol
They’re evening the money up by keeping the big 10 out of the playoffs lol
LOL, I would take a lot more than that to come close. LMAO
As Roam said, the B1G is more than just football, it's even more than just sports, it's a package deal that only one conference can offer.
As Roam said, the B1G is more than just football, it's even more than just sports, it's a package deal that only one conference can offer.
Obviously the package deal isn't sweet enough to entice Notre Lame to join up. Or do they only care about football? I always thought they were a strong academic institution. If the benefits of the Big Ten package were as great as everyone is saying, you'd think Notre Lame would have jumped at getting in on it. Just thinking out loud 🙄
Great point bob
Several reasons:
1. Notre Dame isn't a research University, so the money to be made from a research consortium is moot. Unless they wanted to become a high level research institution, they would see little benefit from it.
2. ND is a private religious institution with a very large endowment (12 Billion). They aren't in need of money.
3. They have long memories, and the Big Ten Conference (when it was known as Western Conference) spurned them on many occasions. Specifically Michigan. One reason was anti-catholic sentiments from Yost, Michigan's head coach. All this anti-catholic stuff continued for years and was a major reason ND became more of a national team.
In the early years, Michigan turned the conference against ND... so ND had to go outside the region to find a lot of games to play. This is also why Michigan only played ND twice from 1910-1977. ND probably resents Michigan more than anyone else, and while they will play them on the field... I am sure they would be damned to join a conference where UM is a leading driver of policy.
Why would penn st want to be somewhere where they’re not wanted? Roam, that stinking scumbag Jim Delany sit and watched the ncaa crooks try and blackmail penn st and who knows he was probably in on it. Then the hypocrites over at Michigan st piling on lol. I’m telling ya the only reason they give the wins back and dropped the sanctions is because they knew they were wrong and after the jury said there was no coverup everybody should know they were wrong but did any of these scumbags especially Delany ever try and set the record right? I didn’t hear any of these scumbags try and set the record straight. Maybe they did and I didn’t hear ‘em but the way Delany got flat out disrespected by penn st fans at the big 10 championship game I don’t think he did. You play with snakes all the time you’ll eventually get bit and that’s exactly what happened to penn St. Maybe ND doesn’t want to play with snakes lol. I know it’s a lot of money and this is something way over my head I’m just looking at it from a fan standpoint plus I hate snakes lol
Several reasons:
1. Notre Dame isn't a research University, so the money to be made from a research consortium is moot. Unless they wanted to become a high level research institution, they would see little benefit from it.
2. ND is a private religious institution with a very large endowment (12 Billion). They aren't in need of money.
3. They have long memories, and the Big Ten Conference (when it was known as Western Conference) spurned them on many occasions. Specifically Michigan. One reason was anti-catholic sentiments from Yost, Michigan's head coach. All this anti-catholic stuff continued for years and was a major reason ND became more of a national team.
In the early years, Michigan turned the conference against ND... so ND had to go outside the region to find a lot of games to play. This is also why Michigan only played ND twice from 1910-1977. ND probably resents Michigan more than anyone else, and while they will play them on the field... I am sure they would be damned to join a conference where UM is a leading driver of policy.
Roam, thanks for the info. I didn't know ND is not a research institution. Also. the historical perspective somewhat explains why they want no part of being in the Big Ten. However, if the bad feelings are so strong, I don't know why they would want to schedule any Big Ten teams at all. Unless they are really hypocrites or need the money in spite of their 12 Billion endowment and lucrative TV deal.
Several reasons:
1. Notre Dame isn't a research University, so the money to be made from a research consortium is moot. Unless they wanted to become a high level research institution, they would see little benefit from it.
2. ND is a private religious institution with a very large endowment (12 Billion). They aren't in need of money.
3. They have long memories, and the Big Ten Conference (when it was known as Western Conference) spurned them on many occasions. Specifically Michigan. One reason was anti-catholic sentiments from Yost, Michigan's head coach. All this anti-catholic stuff continued for years and was a major reason ND became more of a national team.
In the early years, Michigan turned the conference against ND... so ND had to go outside the region to find a lot of games to play. This is also why Michigan only played ND twice from 1910-1977. ND probably resents Michigan more than anyone else, and while they will play them on the field... I am sure they would be damned to join a conference where UM is a leading driver of policy.
Roam, thanks for the info. I didn't know ND is not a research institution. Also. the historical perspective somewhat explains why they want no part of being in the Big Ten. However, if the bad feelings are so strong, I don't know why they would want to schedule any Big Ten teams at all. Unless they are really hypocrites or need the money in spite of their 12 Billion endowment and lucrative TV deal.
I had a brain fart, Notre Dame is a research University. I have no idea why I said that, I think I was going down the private religious thing and just spaced out. Totally my bad.
That said, the research tends to have a bit of a different focus, and I don't believe they do as much as Big Ten schools. If they did, they would probably have been selected for AAU status a while ago.
Penn state joined the B10 in what year? 1990? That's 29 years. According to the B10 champ history on wikipedia, Penn State trails Purdue. If Penn state ever decides to leave, don't let the door hit you.
Believe me , it wouldn't be any loss other than a missing walking mat.
1993 was the first year playing in the big 10 and we’ve won 4 conference championships and Purdue has won 1 and if I remember right we beat them the year they won it lol. I think only Ohio st has won more big 10 championships since we joined.
Several reasons:
1. Notre Dame isn't a research University, so the money to be made from a research consortium is moot. Unless they wanted to become a high level research institution, they would see little benefit from it.
2. ND is a private religious institution with a very large endowment (12 Billion). They aren't in need of money.
3. They have long memories, and the Big Ten Conference (when it was known as Western Conference) spurned them on many occasions. Specifically Michigan. One reason was anti-catholic sentiments from Yost, Michigan's head coach. All this anti-catholic stuff continued for years and was a major reason ND became more of a national team.
In the early years, Michigan turned the conference against ND... so ND had to go outside the region to find a lot of games to play. This is also why Michigan only played ND twice from 1910-1977. ND probably resents Michigan more than anyone else, and while they will play them on the field... I am sure they would be damned to join a conference where UM is a leading driver of policy.
Roam, thanks for the info. I didn't know ND is not a research institution. Also. the historical perspective somewhat explains why they want no part of being in the Big Ten. However, if the bad feelings are so strong, I don't know why they would want to schedule any Big Ten teams at all. Unless they are really hypocrites or need the money in spite of their 12 Billion endowment and lucrative TV deal.
I had a brain fart, Notre Dame is a research University. I have no idea why I said that, I think I was going down the private religious thing and just spaced out. Totally my bad.
Thanks for the correction, Roam. Let me explain where I'm coming from with my comments. I'm no expert on these matters and I certainly don't advocate leaving the Big Ten. It'll never happen! I'm just thinking that maybe the benefits of Big Ten membership are being overblown. I just used ND as an example why this may be the case. In my opinion, the Big Ten needs Penn State much more than we need them. Especially we don't need Aholes like Delaney and Smith "saving" Penn State!
Penn state joined the B10 in what year? 1990? That's 29 years. According to the B10 champ history on wikipedia, Penn State trails Purdue. If Penn state ever decides to leave, don't let the door hit you.
Believe me , it wouldn't be any loss other than a missing walking mat.
Purdue founded the Big Ten in 1896, we joined in 1993. Is this even a serious statement? In 123 years Purdue has 8 Conference titles, only 1 outright. In 27 years (of much more competitive football) we have 4, 2 outright. So yeah with 97 years of conference play on us, Purdue has managed 4 more conference championships and 1 less outright championship. LMAO
Wouldn't be a loss? Except that Penn State has more national titles (more than 30, wrestling is only 8) since we joined, more than DOUBLE ANY OTHER BIG TEN SCHOOL. But yeah, I'm sure the Big Ten wouldn't mind losing the school that won it the most NC's over the past 26 years. ROTFLMAO, yeah that seems legit.
Dude, you really crapped the bed with this take.
Penn state joined the B10 in what year? 1990? That's 29 years. According to the B10 champ history on wikipedia, Penn State trails Purdue. If Penn state ever decides to leave, don't let the door hit you.
Believe me , it wouldn't be any loss other than a missing walking mat.
There's always Rutgers!
If penn st left the big 10 Ohio st and Michigan would go back to being average in football just like they were 25 years before penn st joined. Just looking from the football side because all the other stuff is way above my head. I don’t believe Ohio st and Michigan could recruit as good without penn st. Just my opinion though. I’d rather them join the ACC because it would be easier for me to go watch some games live but if it’s the big 10 I’ll enjoy watching on tv lol
