Regardless of the number of teams selected for the "playoff", at least one team will always be slighted. To ensure fairness, a 128-Team Tournament should be established because it is a way of providing an equal opportunity to each team with regard to the possibility of winning the National Championship. An image of the tournament groups is attached. The guiding principles are as follows:
- Limit FBS to 128 Teams (the current number is 130)
- Teams will have 5 weeks to play whichever team they choose to schedule
- Wins and losses before the Tournament do not influence the Tournament Pairings
- In the first week of the Tournament, there are 128 teams with 0 losses (0-Loss group). The pairings will be randomly generated and not dependent on rankings
- From each Pairing, the Winner remains in their current group, the loser movers to the group matching their number of Tournament Losses
- In the 2nd week of the Tournament, there are 64 teams with 0 losses (0-Loss Group) and 64 teams with 1 loss (1-Loss Group).
- In the second week, 0-Loss Teams play 0-Loss teams and 1-Loss teams play 1-Loss teams based on randomly generated pairings
- In the 3rd week of the Tournament, there are 32 teams with 0 losses, 64 teams with 1 loss, and 32 teams with 2 losses.
- In the third week, 0-Loss Teams play 0-Loss teams, 1-Loss teams play 1-Loss teams, and 2-Loss teams will play 2-Loss teams based on randomly generated pairings
- The final outcome will be one Championship Team, seven 1-Loss teams, twenty-one 2-Loss teams, thirty-five 3-Loss teams, thirty-five 4-Loss teams, twenty-one 5-Loss teams, seven 6-Loss teams, and one 7-loss team
- Bowl pairings can be handled by the Bowl Committees. Bowls will be played as they were prior to the BCS shenanigans and the other malarky began.
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What is at stake for the first 5 games if W/L record doesn't matter heading into the tourney - just home game revenues?
No thanks.
Why can't they do the 16 team format that every other NCAA division uses to determine their national champions? My problem with this current system is 3 things...Conference Championships are meaningless...The games don't matter as they put in whoever they feel the sacred cows can beat and brings the most eyeballs...If your not in one of the power 5 conferences or Notre Dame (who is the committees favorite patsy for the aforementioned reason)...That is why this thing is a farce...One last thing I want to mention...To use the bowl results to determine conference strength is a fools errand as well...Half of the best players don't play because the games are meaningless...If you want to get serious about evaluating league strength you make each team schedule 3 out of conference games from the power 5 conferences while playing 8 conference games...Lets be honest you have 60 teams with a legit shot to get into the playoff and the truth is they screw over the Pac 12, B1G and Big 12 at every turn...It's about the money and ESPN has a ton of money riding on perpetuating the myth of the SEC and ACC being the best 2 conferences...It's a joke and a farce and why I don't watch this garbage...Forgive me for forgetting who said it but somebody in the forum equated it to Professional Wrestling and they are absolutely right...
I know I’m in the minority but I believe you have Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St then a few other teams that’s good enough to get in the playoffs. It’s harder for the big 10 teams because the big 10 only cares about Ohio St and Michigan the other conferences it’s let the best team win and it is what it is. Heck they even changed the rules to get Ohio State in this year and screwed Indiana just like they screwed us in 2016 it’s just hard to compete against that chit.
"Lets be honest you have 60 teams with a legit shot to get into the playoff"
More like 10. Let's be honest here, when Baylor and TCU won the Big 12 with 1 loss, did they get in? Nope, an excuse was made to get Ohio State in. 1 loss Texas A&M? Nope, lets take ND who was embarrassed in their championship game. Oh, did Penn State win the Big Ten and beat the Buckeyes? Nah, OSU still going.
I think 8 makes most of this stuff disappear. Don't have to go to 16 right away, but could in the future. But all 5 Power conference champs, a guaranteed Group of 5 champion, and 2 wild cards would make it much, much more fair.
I know I’m in the minority but I believe you have Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St then a few other teams that’s good enough to get in the playoffs. It’s harder for the big 10 teams because the big 10 only cares about Ohio St and Michigan the other conferences it’s let the best team win and it is what it is. Heck they even changed the rules to get Ohio State in this year and screwed Indiana just like they screwed us in 2016 it’s just hard to compete against that chit.
I luv ya man but that is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. If the B1G cared so much for Michigan why have they been on their ass the last couple of years. What has the B1G done for them? Give me a list of 5 things in the last 3 years the Big did to favor Michigan, B1G specific only backed up by facts or hard data, NOT opinion or baseless conspiracy theories!
As far as changing the rules, that was to benefit the B1G of just OSU. Why would a conference not want 1 of their teams in the playoff hunt for a NC? Why would PSU want 1 of the Big teams to advance all the way to the big game. More money for the conference and for the school.
The bottom line is if you don't want to be left out WIN, if you don't want to be picked over WIN. Winning solves everything in this situation. And don't give me the crap about 2016, we lost to fricken Pitt, PITT! As well as Michigan which we lost by 39 points FFS com on man!!!
@navylion. If it was Indiana undefeated with 5 wins and Ohio St with one loss at 6-1 the big 10 wouldn’t have changed the rules they would’ve took their chances on Ohio st gettin in the playoffs with one loss which they probably would have because they would’ve won the big 10. Hope I explained that right. Indiana should’ve went to the big 10 championship instead of Ohio st they changed the rules so Ohio st went. Michigan stinks right now but I’ve watched us get screwed many times playing Michigan by the refs we even got replay because it was so bad and I watched Indiana get screwed playing Michigan a few years back and they got flat screwed on a bad call. All teams get bad calls it’s getting bad calls when it determines who wins or loses when it matters and that’s what I’ve seen like getting time put back on the clock, throwing flags on offsides on inside kicks when replay showed we wasn’t off sides and of course we recovered the onside kick, calling Bryan Johnson out of bounds when he had both feet down not just one plus he had both feet down plain as day and the ref right there to see it and when all these bad calls were called it determined who won the game. Had Ohio St won the big 10 and beat Penn State on the field ole Jim Delany would’ve been cheerleading for Ohio State the day of the big 10 championship game brother I promise you that. Just the way I’ve seen things over the years.
@southern-psu-fan To prove your point I asked you to give me a list of 5 things in the last 3 years the Big did to favor Michigan, B1G specific only backed up by facts or hard data, NOT opinion or baseless conspiracy theories! All you did was give your opinion and baseless conspiracy theories.
So let's take a different approach, Tell me how or what the B1G benefitted from the bad ref calls? What did it do for the conference? It certainly didn't help Michigan win a B1G championship or NC!
Here's the other thing. If your conspiracy theory about the Big was real, and the bad calls were part of their master plan to elevate only Michigan and Ohio State, WhyTF would the conspirators, the B1Gg Leadership, sign off to be the first conference to try it out instant replay? Seems very dumb to me to institute something that will basically ruin your scam. One would think the B1G would be one of the LAST conferences to implement the replay system based on your conspiracy theory.
My last question for you, you say the B1G is rigged but you root for a B1G team, you say the CFB final selection is a scam and crooked, then why do you watch college football. The way you portray it, it is really no different than the WWE. So you might as well just watch Raslin Son!!! According to you they are both the same, crooked, fixed and fake. WHOOOOOOOO! That's what Rick Flare would say, for you non raslin fans!!!
One last thing, anything after if or but is BS!!! You don't know what would have happened "if" Indiana was undefeated, just like you don't know "if" the B1G was behind the bad calls. All pure speculation and conjecture!!
I know I’m in the minority but I believe you have Alabama, Clemson, Ohio St then a few other teams that’s good enough to get in the playoffs. It’s harder for the big 10 teams because the big 10 only cares about Ohio St and Michigan the other conferences it’s let the best team win and it is what it is. Heck they even changed the rules to get Ohio State in this year and screwed Indiana just like they screwed us in 2016 it’s just hard to compete against that chit.
I luv ya man but that is absolutely stupid and ridiculous. If the B1G cared so much for Michigan why have they been on their ass the last couple of years. What has the B1G done for them? Give me a list of 5 things in the last 3 years the Big did to favor Michigan, B1G specific only backed up by facts or hard data, NOT opinion or baseless conspiracy theories!
As far as changing the rules, that was to benefit the B1G of just OSU. Why would a conference not want 1 of their teams in the playoff hunt for a NC? Why would PSU want 1 of the Big teams to advance all the way to the big game. More money for the conference and for the school.
The bottom line is if you don't want to be left out WIN, if you don't want to be picked over WIN. Winning solves everything in this situation. And don't give me the crap about 2016, we lost to fricken Pitt, PITT! As well as Michigan which we lost by 39 points FFS com on man!!!
Nonsense, in this system UCF won and it didn’t matter. TCUs only loss was to #5 by 3, while Ohio State lost to 6-6 VT.
TCU was left out, "winning" didn’t help them either because their name wasn't Ohio State. And don't give me "If they won all their games they would have gone", because Ohio State didn't win all their games either. That's the point... The rules when everything is equal benefit a select few, and to break through you have to be better. To much subjective nonsense
@roaminglion Not sure who that reply was for, whether that was for me or Southern, but to clarify, my post to him was only about the B1G and his claim that the Big only cares about OSU and Michigan. I I'm still waiting for him to tell me how they (B1G) looked out for Michigan over the last 3 or so years. It doesn't reflect in their record or standings...
@roaminglion Not sure who that reply was for, whether that was for me or Southern, but to clarify, my post to him was only about the B1G and his claim that the Big only cares about OSU and Michigan. I I'm still waiting for him to tell me how they (B1G) looked out for Michigan over the last 3 or so years. It doesn't reflect in their record or standings...
I think I had an out of body experience, not sure who I was responding to either 🤣🤣🤣
I am just done with this 4 team system.
@navylion. Michigan ain’t been any good the last 3 years all I’m saying is Ohio St gets special treatment to help them like letting fields play without sitting out for a year IMO if he transfers to Iowa he would’ve had to sit and if Michigan was winning they’d get the same treatment. Look at all the trouble Ohio State has been in since Jim Tressell and some pretty bad things happened and nothing happened to Ohio st it got swept under the rug. BTW I love professional wrestling the 4 horsemen were the greatest and you’ll never hear me say professional wrestling is fixed.😁
I'll fess up. It was me who compared the current CFP to professional wrestling. Sorry to disagree, Southern, IMO they're both fixed, LOL.
@roaminglion Not sure who that reply was for, whether that was for me or Southern, but to clarify, my post to him was only about the B1G and his claim that the Big only cares about OSU and Michigan. I I'm still waiting for him to tell me how they (B1G) looked out for Michigan over the last 3 or so years. It doesn't reflect in their record or standings...
I think I had an out of body experience, not sure who I was responding to either 🤣🤣🤣
I am just done with this 4 team system.
A little early in the season for picking mushrooms isn't it? Ah yes, the good old days!
@bobs-dimpled-chin
Bob, Thank you for the question. The purpose of the first 5 weeks is to allow the schools to do whatever they want as they prepare for the beginning of the Tournament. The Tournament begins in week 6 but the first game pairings could be determined anytime between January and the end of week 5.
The construct places emphasis on performance during the Tournament and would reveal team strengths and weaknesses across the entire Team Spectrum of coaches, support staff and players. As an added benefit, the format results in weekly "Pairing Conferences" that would be conducted on Sundays. One of the major negatives is that teams playing on Thursdays or Fridays would have limited time to prepare. However, Thursday and Friday games could be randomly selected and limited multiple loss teams to minimize the impact to the 0-Loss Group. It pays to be a winner. The competing teams would also have to resolve the Home / Away issue within a constrained timeline.
My posting originated from a random musing in which I pondered the most extremely liberal position to determine if a logical outcome was possible. The probability is 0 but a 128-Team Tournament is possible and would not overly burden the Student-Athletes. I used a very simple matrix based algorithm and I feel it is safe to assume mathematicians were consulted during the development of the Playoff System. Therefore, it is reasonable to assume that a 128-Team playoff must have been considered and rejected at some point during the process.
As a fan, I think a 128-Team Tournament would be exciting. The result would be a "Tournament Champion" but not necessarily a "National Champion" since Bowl games will be payed after the Tournament and will likely result in arguments over the true "National Champion". Who among us didn't want Penn State to play Nebraska after Tom Osborne received his Lifetime Achievement Award in 1994? Despite Penn State winning the game against Indiana and remaining undefeated, Nebraska jumped Penn State in the polls after the Indiana game and Penn State never had a chance to prove their superiority. Under the 128-Team Tournament, the Bowl Games will provide the venue for a 1-Loss team to confront the Tournament Champions.
1994!
If you have watched the B1G the last 25 years it is very difficult not to come away feeling the conference favors Michigan and Ohio State...Just look at the officiating in any of the games with significance that those 2 teams play in...I call the whole system a rigged farce because the games really don't matter anymore...It's a rigged system that favors 2 conferences (SEC & ACC) because of ESPN's business interests with them, Notre Dame (because they are the perfect patsy) and Ohio State, Michigan, Oklahoma & Texas...That's the reality of the situation...Other than monetary gains for the conferences why bother playing the conference championships as they are meaningless as far as getting into the tournament are concerned...In the beginning they handed you the cock and bull story of the "eye test"...From there it has deteriorated into whatever baloney they can pass off to convince everybody that the SEC or ACC deserve 2 teams in over other deserving teams or that Notre Dame should be in over other deserving teams...This whole farce was exposed by UCF a few years ago and to some degree Cincinnati this season as the narrative was they couldn't compete against the upper echelon teams which is utter nonsense...This isn't true national championship based on competition anymore...The games don't matter as they rig the system to put in the same teams year after year...Again if you want to be intellectually honest about the whole thing ask yourself why in the other divisions in college football they have 16 teams in their playoffs to determine the national champ? It has nothing to do with academics nor travel as these lesser schools with far smaller budgets manage to travel and play so why can't the top division determine their champion the same way? The only answer that I can come up with is to protect the brand of the 2 conferences and the other schools I mentioned above...It's all done to perpetuate the myth...If you are asking for proof or feel this is all a conspiracy theory just go back and see what teams have been consistently in the tournament...what their records were...how many won conference titles...Who was left out and why? I am for pure competition...Games mattering and right now under this current system that isn't the case...What you have is a rigged system and it is nothing but a beauty contest to perpetuate a myth...
@the-funeral-director Well shit, guess it's time to give up college football since none of it is real with rigged conferences, rigged officials and a scam playoff selection committee and ESPN calling the shots about who is and who is not.
Guess Curling will be my new spectator sport, at least there is a lot less corruption. Anyone got any leads on a good curling fan board?
Let me ask you a question Navy...You think the officiating in the Michigan/Penn State games back when Lloyd Carr was coaching Michigan was on the up and up? I can go on and on...You think Notre Dame was the best team in the country to play Alabama this year? over the years you don't see a pattern? Maybe it's just me....But ask yourself why the Biggest division in college football is the only one without a 16 team playoff? That in itself says it all...It's not about honest competition but to protect the sacred cows and the brand...
@the-funeral-director Well shit, guess it's time to give up college football since none of it is real with rigged conferences, rigged officials and a scam playoff selection committee and ESPN calling the shots about who is and who is not.
Guess Curling will be my new spectator sport, at least there is a lot less corruption. Anyone got any leads on a good curling fan board?
FD makes some valid points.
As I've said before, any sport that you can drink beer while participating (may even be a requirement) on ice, throw in some of Tae's topless players, I'm all in!
https://www.curlingzone.com/showthread.php?threadid=11916
@southern-psu-fan...YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD SOUTHERN, while, maybe unwittingly, disclosing college football's biggest problem..The sport is, and has been dominated for some time by the BIG3, Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State..and as long as Messrs Saban, Swinney stay in their current post, that's not changing anytime soon..You need to just check the recruiting rankings to see that..
You guys spend a lot of time expanding the CFPlayoffs, but IMO, while Id have no problem going to 8, the current set up is just fine..You have the BIg 3, and everyone else competing for the 4th spot..and in the typical year, the writers, coaches, the CFP Committee all agree on team 4..Until the balance of power shifts, or gets more level, I see no reason to add teams...In fact, I prefer the 4, as all games now count, and it preserves the importance of the regular season, one of the hallmarks of college football..I hate to see the regular season get watered down..And if a team fails to get selected for the playoff, a NY6 bowl is still incentive
I don’t want to start a topic on it but since some of y’all live in Pa have any of y’all tried the Hershey’s peppermint kisses? Man then things are good.
@culture-thrives. I’m a believer in the recruiting stars CT, the stars don’t lie
