i just don’t understand all the Jay Paterno hate. Like Kyle Petty and Dale Earnhardt Jr Jay had some HUGE shoes to fill and I believe the guy gets a bad rep. Kyle and Jr did also even though they did have some fans. Dale Jr was a spoiled little punk that wanted his stepmothers business and when she wouldn’t let him have it he left DEI and even though I disagree with what he tried to pull off by taking her business I still give him credit for being an ok driver. He wasn’t great he just had the Earnhardt name just like Jay had the Paterno name. Jay may have got the QB’s job because of his name and people may be pissed about it and he may have struggled his Firstcouple of years but from 05 until 2011 he was a fantastic QB coach. MROB, D-Clark, Pat Devlin and McGloin backs up what I just said. Jay was turning the corner and was well respected in the big 10. My goodness. 3 of the 4 guys went on to play in the NFL lol rather playing QB or RB. Bottom line is 1 or 2 might be a fluke but not 4 baby. Don’t hand me the BS BOB and the Delaware crap because he coached mCGloin for 4 years and Devlin for 2 or 3 years. Anthony Morreli was Ok not anything great but he was an average QB that was in a system that didn’t fit his needs. He needed a prostyle offense and it wasn’t his fault we changed offenses in 2005. Screw anybody’s opinion even mine just look at the facts on the records some of these QB’s had and they were also all big 10 and some went on to play at the next level. I don’t care what any of these guys say now that he coached I heard all of them giving Jay credit when he was coaching them, every one of ‘em. I was reading some Jay hate on pennlive is the reason I’m bringing this up lol. He coached some of the best QB’s we’ve ever had and that’s just the facts.
Sorry I shouldn’t have said screw everybody’s opinions because you guys know I love your opinions and respect your opinions I’m just saying put opinions to aside a minute and look what happened on the field when jay was the QB coach. I get to excited sometimes when I post something lol
" Screw anybody’s opinion even mine!" And that is just one reason why we luv ya! Lol
Jay is also a decent man. He is still defending his Dad’s honor. Good for him.
As long as its just opinions we're screwing and nothing else SPF. We dont want to turn this forum into a big sausage festival. Well, for some of you guys it would be a mini-sausage festival.....lol
For one, I don't think he was ever really the offensive coordinator. That was Galen Hall.
Second, it seems to be well known inside the locker room that he really wasn't in charge of much, that his titles were just that... Merely titles.
Third, former players have come out against him in print. Basically calling him an idiot, someone who really didn't know what they were doing.
Put all that together and it doesn't sound very good. when it's one rumor you can dismiss it, but when a bunch of different rumors are flying around and are actually substantiated in print by former players? Hard to look past that.
Lastly, look at coaching changes... Bill Bradley was able to get a position at UCLA as defensive coordinator. Larry Johnson Jr was able to get a job at Ohio State. Jay? He couldn't even get another job before the scandal happened. No on want him, and reports are he tried for years.
"Morelli was an average QB"
Morelli was a 5 star recruit and #15 player nationwide. So please Southern, your "fact" is a bit skewed there.
Also, to continue to give Jay credit for Devlin is complete nonsense. Just plain ridiculous. That's like saying Ole Miss's QB coach should be given credit for Michigan's QB this year. Even though the guy lost his position at Ole Miss, and basically sucked against good competition while there. But hey, he was coaching him for 2 years, so I guess he's responsible for his sucess under a different coach... Seem legit. And McGloin? He, he got way better under a different coach, so logically that means the previous coach grts credit... Again, makes perfect sense.
We were 66-20 from 2005-2011 when all hell broke loose. 2 big 10 championships, 4 bowl win with our QB being all big 10 three time. Jay was the QB coach. Roam I’ve heard MROB and D-Clark with my ears giving jay credit for the offense and their QB play. They said it many times after the games. I just don’t think you can win at the big 10 level and win championships if you have coaches that don’t know what they are doing. I know there was some bad blood between Mauti and Jay but that’s just one guy. I think Jay was on his way to being a great coach. We both know why he’ll never coach again so I’m not going there.
Morelli was a prostyle QB and was recruited for that. We changed offenses in 05 so it’s not morelli’s fault unless you want to blame him for not transferring. Meyer got out of Florida because he didn’t have a QB and he recruited every QB on Florida’s roster. Meyer had 5 QB’s very highly recruited and none of ‘em was any good so Jay is not the only coach that didn’t develop a QB it happens to all coaches. Y’all want to give BOB credit for McGloin but won’t say why he couldn’t develop Paul Jones. Why could BOB develop Paul Jones? Some guys just don’t pan out. All teams have QB’s that don’t pan out. I do believe BOB made McGloin better but he was good when he got to penn st. He coached Devlin for 3 years and when he got to Delaware he was the starter. I guess you think Delaware’s coach made him that good in a month lol, come on Roam he was good when he got to Delaware. He also transferred because he couldn’t beat out our all big 10 QB D-Clark lol
Devlin and MCGloin didn’t get that good in a month Roam. Jay coached them for years and you want to give other coaches credit when they coach them a month lol. Come on Roam they were good when these coaches got these QB’s they didn’t get that good in a month
I think Jay's biggest failure was as recruiting coordinator. The dark years followed his elevation to that position. When your best QB (MRob bcz Mills was playing hurt) is also your best WR and RB, that's a reflection on recruiting.
BoB had two starters: McGloin and Hackenberg. WTF does Paul Jones have to do with anything? He didn't play because a Senior and 5* QB recruit beat him out. That doesn't mean he didn't develop or get better, just means he wasn't as good as two guys who got drafted into the NFL
Really bad argument.
He also tried to get coaching jobs between 2000-2010... No one wanted him.
Those two QBs were great at breaking the pocket and making plays with their feet. Neither was every even considered as a QB in the NFL. Why? Their mechanics were never fixed and they were never taught how to run an offense outside of hitting their first read or scrambing and making a play.
I’m going at it with another guy on pennlive about the same thing and I got confused, he brought up Paul Jones saying jay didn’t develop him and I’m saying BOB didn’t either some guys just don’t have it and Paul Jones was one of ‘em.
Leach never played college football, but he coached under some talented people. He has a good track record and has his team right up there this year. So here is my question, Jay was around some of the best coaches in the sport and his father was one the best ever. I am certain he has knowledge of what JVP did, so why not let him have a shot at some capacity? What's the worse that could happen? I am not saying the HC or OC.
LOL, it happens. Hard to keep track sometimes 🤣😂
A month? They were coaches for at least 8-9 months before the season and both got better during the season as well.
Navyjag I thought we had some studs on the team during what y’all call dark years , we just didn’t have a QB. I also believe we took a step back when coaches started to retire. The biggest problems were missing on a few QB’s and that made everything look worse than what it really was. For example 4-7 04 with mills playing QB and the next year 11-1 with a last second loss at Michigan when Michigan got time added to the clock lol also a big 10 championship. Same players but with a bad butt QB baby lol
We were bad at WR and average at RB, such that MRob was forced to play both positions. LB was not great. We may have had studs elsewhere on D, as evidenced by the 2004 Indiana game. But otherwise we had a bad team.
I thought Bryant and Tony Johnson was on them teams but I could be wrong navyjag. I think they missed on how good LJ and MROB was and that didn’t help but the DL was dang good. Jay was learning at the time. I’m saying from 2005-2011 he was doing a great job and was known to be one of the best in the big 10. I really think he was becoming a great coach. I’m going by what the offense did in that time span. 05,08,09 rank as some of the best offenses we’ve ever had.
SPF many players came out and said Jay played Bolden because the players wanted McGloin, and they knew McGloin was a better qb.
I personally think Joe Paterno made that call, not Jay. It was the right call or they wouldn’t have been 8-1 the only loss was to Alabama. I believe joe was making them fight it out to be the starter and it made McGloin better. This is how coaches make guys better.
We also had tony hunt and Austin Scott. Kinlaw was pretty good I thought. Austin Scott was one of the top RB’s coming out of HS but I don’t think he really panned out to be all that good. Tony Hunt was a beast. I think we just had QB problems but that’s just my opinion lol
Joe said that in order for Jay to be successful, he needed to move on from Penn State and get experience elsewhere. The problem was Sue did not want him leaving bcz of the grandkids.
Southern, as I recall, Paul Jones and another highly touted QB (forget his name) was also in that mix, but they just didn't have the gray matter to grasp BOB's system. McGloin was able to pick it up and the rest is history. Am I close on this?
