To help save our season we need to find out what kind of player Grunk is and this week is the perfect game to test him out.
Why do you all keep asking me thing like "what makes you think he is better tha. this?"@roaminglion All I know is that Allar can’t throw the ball accurately further than 6 yards downfield, his pocket presence sucks, his footwork is terrible and he caves under pressure. Maybe it’s poor coaching, maybe he’s like Hack and thinks he’s goods gift to football or maybe he just lacks ability but all I know is at this point in time he sucks and does not deserve to be the starting QB at a major college football program. Who is accountable for his poor play if its not him and what has he showed in the last 1.5 seasons that makes you think he’s better than this??
Our non conference schedule has been rated by some services as the worst in the country and there is a high probability if we lose one more game we’re not going to make the playoff so I’m all for giving Grunk considerable playing time vs UCLA in a game we should win easily just to see what happens.
I have spelled out my thoughts: Allar isnt good and I think it is mainly because no QBs get better here. There regress under Franklin and for this most part no one wins a big game because for whatever reason... this coaching staff cant get it done.
It is what it is... Franklin is just about the worst cosch in the history of football in big games. You simply can not look past that and blame one player for everything that is wrong.
I don't care who the QB is because I dont think it matters. The coaching is the one who needs to change. They need... NEED... to change their approach because it keeps happening no matter who the QB is.
Why do you all keep asking me thing like "what makes you think he is better tha. this?"@roaminglion All I know is that Allar can’t throw the ball accurately further than 6 yards downfield, his pocket presence sucks, his footwork is terrible and he caves under pressure. Maybe it’s poor coaching, maybe he’s like Hack and thinks he’s goods gift to football or maybe he just lacks ability but all I know is at this point in time he sucks and does not deserve to be the starting QB at a major college football program. Who is accountable for his poor play if its not him and what has he showed in the last 1.5 seasons that makes you think he’s better than this??
Our non conference schedule has been rated by some services as the worst in the country and there is a high probability if we lose one more game we’re not going to make the playoff so I’m all for giving Grunk considerable playing time vs UCLA in a game we should win easily just to see what happens.I have spelled out my thoughts: Allar isnt good and I think it is mainly because no QBs get better here. There regress under Franklin and for this most part no one wins a big game because for whatever reason... this coaching staff cant get it done.
It is what it is... Franklin is just about the worst cosch in the history of football in big games. You simply can not look past that and blame one player for everything that is wrong.
I don't care who the QB is because I dont think it matters. The coaching is the one who needs to change. They need... NEED... to change their approach because it keeps happening no matter who the QB is.
There’s no doubt coaching is the problem and it’s affecting more than just the QB. What happened to the WR’s again ? And what’s up with the O’line and RB issues? We better get the offense straightened out before the OSU and Indiana games. Maybe playing Grunk or Smolik this weekend shows they are a better fit in Kotelnickis offense.
Maybe, I'm just so jaded at this point that I don’t think it matters who the QB is.Why do you all keep asking me thing like "what makes you think he is better tha. this?"@roaminglion All I know is that Allar can’t throw the ball accurately further than 6 yards downfield, his pocket presence sucks, his footwork is terrible and he caves under pressure. Maybe it’s poor coaching, maybe he’s like Hack and thinks he’s goods gift to football or maybe he just lacks ability but all I know is at this point in time he sucks and does not deserve to be the starting QB at a major college football program. Who is accountable for his poor play if its not him and what has he showed in the last 1.5 seasons that makes you think he’s better than this??
Our non conference schedule has been rated by some services as the worst in the country and there is a high probability if we lose one more game we’re not going to make the playoff so I’m all for giving Grunk considerable playing time vs UCLA in a game we should win easily just to see what happens.I have spelled out my thoughts: Allar isnt good and I think it is mainly because no QBs get better here. There regress under Franklin and for this most part no one wins a big game because for whatever reason... this coaching staff cant get it done.
It is what it is... Franklin is just about the worst cosch in the history of football in big games. You simply can not look past that and blame one player for everything that is wrong.
I don't care who the QB is because I dont think it matters. The coaching is the one who needs to change. They need... NEED... to change their approach because it keeps happening no matter who the QB is.
There’s no doubt coaching is the problem and it’s affecting more than just the QB. What happened to the WR’s again ? And what’s up with the O’line and RB issues? We better get the offense straightened out before the OSU and Indiana games. Maybe playing Grunk or Smolik this weekend shows they are a better fit in Kotelnickis offense.
The cosches need to make a change... quick. What that change is has more to do with them than any player IMO.
Here is where I disagree with you Roam...I ain't gonna argue about the coaching situation...In fact I happen to agree with you...Where I disagree with you is the fact that you don't think this QB is the problem or the difference...His bonehead decision to throw that ball into triple coverage on the first play of that drive from the Oregon 25 yard line is something he should have avoided...I believe this team has the most complete roster in college football and the only thing that will stop them from winning a championship is the QB...I don't know if this backup is the answer either but I do know that this kid Allar can't play under pressure and no amount of coaching can change that...Either you can play and excel under pressure or you can't...This kid can't handle pressure...If Penn State can find any modicum of QB play I think they can win the whole thing...They certainly have a national championship defense...They lost that game in spite of terrible officiating that missed countless obvious holding penalties and overturning a turnover that was game changing on a call I have never seen in 58 years of watching football...I think the team showed guts to come back and not quit...I also saw Penn State starting to take control of the line of scrimmage at the end of the game and wear down Oregon up front...They were beginning to run the ball down their throats...I don't know how you can watch that football game and see that one position on the field was the weak link and cost them that game...It's obvious they ain't firing Franklin or the OC during the season...The one thing that can change is the QB and they need to change it now and see what the backup has...It is obvious that the kid that is starting don't have it...He has had numerous opportunities and has folded like a lawn chair every time he is under pressure...This is the best team Penn State has had in a long time in my opinion...It is a crime to see this team wasted because they got a QB that can't handle the pressure and perform in big games...This is a national championship caliber team if they can just get steady QB play in the big games...It really is a crying shame and feel bad for the rest of the team having to see this QB cost them every big game...
McSorley threw bad passes and INTs to lose games. USC 2016 INT. OSU 2017 on downs. MSU 2017 on downs. OSU 2018 on downs. He got blown out by Michigan in 2018.Where I disagree with you is the fact that you don't think this QB is the problem or the difference...
Clifford: 2019 Minn 3 INTs, OSU 2019 late INT and on downs, his last year again Michigan 2022 36% completion percentage played awful, OSU 2022 3 INTs... his last one was thrown down by 6 late in 4th quarter that was returned for a TD
I'm not sure how you are remembering the other QBs because it isn't based in reality. They absolutely failed in big spots too, and Clifford threw INTs at the end of games to lose also. So did McSorley.
Yet you seem to think this is unique to Allar
McSorley and Clifford broke most all the records at Penn St and the numbers and imo say they were 2 of the best QB’s to every play at Penn St. both definitely top 10. DA ain’t even close being a top 10 QB at Penn St. I know the dude has a big heart and gives it a 100% but he doesn’t have the it thing to get big wins. If this dude played on an average big 10 teams the teams would have losing seasons.
When shown Clifford and McSorley also threw picks at the end of games and lost to top teams in big games... you pivot to "they broke records"McSorley and Clifford broke most all the records at Penn St and the numbers and imo say they were 2 of the best QB’s to every play at Penn St. both definitely top 10. DA ain’t even close being a top 10 QB at Penn St. I know the dude has a big heart and gives it a 100% but he doesn’t have the it thing to get big wins. If this dude played on an average big 10 teams the teams would have losing seasons.
Great. I am glad Clifford broke records in 5 full years playing at PSU. Certainly forgives his playing like ass in big games and throwing interceptions or incompletions.to lose the game.
Somehow only Allar gets held accountable for it.
Broken Record Joe calling for the back up. He’s like a Penn State Fan version of that browns jersey with all the QBs names on the back. Now he wants smolik! Mark my words he’ll be calling for Grunks head this time next year. You’re right, don’t try to adjust mid season, just trot the back up out there and hope for the best. Season be damned.
I’ve listened to BWI, Locked On Nittany Lions, Josh Pate and Joel Klatt all week long. All have criticized Franklin and Kotelnicki, they’ve all acknowledged Franklins track record and they’ve all acknowledged Drew’s inconsistency but you know what none have called for? Grunkemeyer. Why? Because they know Penn State isn’t Alabama, you can bench Jalen Hurts when you have Tua on the bench. Penn State doesn’t have that luxury. The #7 team just doesn’t bench their third year starter who the entire offense is predicated behind after a double OT loss to the arguably the best team in the country, stop living in fantasy land. You want to trot Grunk, Smolik or Jerry Sandusky out there after we are eliminated from playoff contention, go head who cares. The idea a top #25 in playoff contention just replaces their QB with no real plan other than “let’s see what the kid can do” is insane and shouldn’t be taken seriously. Drew might not be able to win the big games sure but he hasn’t lost the small ones either and that’s more than some other QBs that get put on pedastools in this thread.
This^ and there lies the problem because at the end of 3 or 4 year starter career, the back up still isn't ready and there goes another 2-3 years. PSU has never been a QB program; imo, that can only change through coaching; how, IDK, other than for JF to hire the right OC/QB coach and then get the f' out of the way as HC.Because they know Penn State isn’t Alabama, you can bench Jalen Hurts when you have Tua on the bench. Penn State doesn’t have that luxury.
I agree, you don't potentially tank the season with benching DA, but at some point you gotta take a chance; benching DA isn't going to fix his problem, that's for somebody else to try to do next year.
On the other hand, it's not like the QBs recruited are dog shit; Pribula came in as a three starter with some tools but more importantly came with the "knows how to win moxie"; DA started one year in HS, his senior year.
I believe this should be hung on the coaches...Whatever the deal is they need to prepare these QB's better...At some point the player must be held accountable as well...He isn't learning from his mistakes...That is on him...With this roster Penn State if Penn State doesn't make the B1G championship game I think they are going to fire this staff...I think we can all agree who the weak link is...My concern is this team quitting because of it...
I respect ya’ll opinion but my opinion is we can beat every team on the schedule with Grunk and we have a chance to beat Ohio State and the thing I know is we don’t have a chance to beat Ohio St with DA. With DA at QB you better be satisfied only beating team like Rutgers and Iowa and I have proof, look at the last 3 years. 0-7 against teams comparing apples to Apples
I am just flabbergasted! What on God's good earth is wrong with starting Grunk this game? Other than Jimmy maybe eating a little crow and Drew's feelings being hurt, nothing at all.
That isn't your opinion, it's your blind hope.I respect ya’ll opinion but my opinion is we can beat every team on the schedule with Grunk and we have a chance to beat Ohio State and the thing I know is we don’t have a chance to beat Ohio St with DA. With DA at QB you better be satisfied only beating team like Rutgers and Iowa and I have proof, look at the last 3 years. 0-7 against teams comparing apples to Apples
Nothing wrong with moving on from Allar... but I just don't feel it matters either wayI am just flabbergasted! What on God's good earth is wrong with starting Grunk this game? Other than Jimmy maybe eating a little crow and Drew's feelings being hurt, nothing at all.
If he doesn’t get it done you can always go back to DA, he’s still on the team and I might give him a spark. DA knows he’s not getting benched and when there’s no competition it might not be a good thing.
I enjoy the banter and arguing with Roam...I have to say I have come to his way of thinking on this...I don't think it matters who the QB is and I am beginning to come around to maybe this ain't Allar's problem...They don't put him in a position to succeed and use his God given talent as well as keeping him out of situations where he struggles...You could have had Tom Brady at QB yesterday and Penn State still loses that ballgame...It's the coaching...I gotta say that was a knew low...Yesterday was the worst coaching I have seen in a VERY long time in all 3 phases of the game...The defensive scheme was terrible to start and they made no adjustments...The offensive scheme was ok but the last series was mind boggling to me as it was in the Oregon game especially the last series...The special teams coach had his head up his ass for not sending the house to block the punt with about 20 seconds to go in the game and they are punting out of their own endzone...The time management at the end of the both halves was absolutely as incompetent as it gets...I will be shocked if they don't fire all of these guys at the end of the season...The buyout is chump change by todays standards and if they bring in the right guy you will see booster money pour into this program...This ain't Ball State...What is going on with this program is unacceptable and a wholesale change is needed...I can't see the brain trust of this University standing for this sort of thing anymore...Yesterday for me was the eye opener...The program needs a change in a big way and I am 100% certain we are going to see major changes with this program at seasons end...
How soon do they have a "players only" meeting.
Who is the leader on this team that would call such a meeting?
I don't know the team dynamics but usually its called by a team captain or Senior player...I am afraid all the player only meetings in the universe aren't going to be able to fix the problem with this team...The decision makers at the University need to have an all you coaches are fired meeting at the end of the season...Unfortunately this season is lost and you might as well ride it out with what you have but certainly I am expecting big changes at the end of the season...I wouldn't be surprised if a private phone call or a meeting won't be held with Franklin this week about his future or lack of future at the University...I am sure he has probably been notified already that his services won't be necessary after this season is over...
@the-funeral-director imo the new goal is 10-2 I ain’t throwing in the towel on the season. We only get 13 games a year unless we make the playoffs.
Of course if they win out they will more than likely get a playoff slot...I don't see a scenario where they win out...I actually think it is more likely they finish with 4 losses than win out... I honestly think big changes are coming at the end of this season...
@the-funeral-director imo the new goal is 10-2 I ain’t throwing in the towel on the season. We only get 13 games a year unless we make the playoffs.
6-6 is a lot more likely than 10-2.
@psujoe I’m thinking more like 9-3 but 10-2 is the goal. Just gotta find something and start clicking and 9-3 regular season is definitely in our grabs.
