So yesterday I'm we're in the ice shack fishing and my great-uncle (die hard UGA fan) mentioned that the rumor in the SEC is that Alabama's players are "well taken care of" by some rich alumni. He said there are rumors that many players are given cars (Dodges in particular) and he also claimed that Tua's parents were moved from Hawaii to Alabama and given the job of house-sitting for a rich alumni in order to be closer to their son.
Our response (my grandfather and I) was why would Alabama need to do that?? They have four and five star recruits lining up to go there and have a virtual pipeline of players from HS-Alabama-to the pros so why would Saban jeopardize that?? I don't really care for the SEC but that has more to do with the academic standards for their athletes than anything else. So what do you guys think?? Does Alabama break the rules when it comes to recruiting as well as taking care of the players currently on the roster??
The two old men are shooting the breeze out in my Grandfather's sugar shack at the time of this posting. Im going to be driving them to all the way down to portland tonight to a sports bar to watch the game. My uncle was appalled when he learned that my grandfather refuses to have ESPN channels in his TV package. When the news of the JS scandal hit, my grandfather and grandmother were down in Lawrenceville, GA with my Great-Uncle watching it all unfold on ESPN. My great-uncle went a bit overboard on the teasing and it would be a few years until they spoke to one another again. Two hard headed Pennsylvania Dutchmen sure knew how to hold a grudge.
My opinion but I think that is the typical response to any program with high success. That might have been rampant years ago but I would like to think there is a system with enough checks and balances to keep those scenarios less likely. On the Iowa wrestling board there is constant talk about Cael’s slush fund, how else could he attract the best wrestling talent from around the country not just Pennsylvania.
Alabama and most of the SEC are all dirty programs. The worst that I have ever seen was Florida State when Bowden was there and Florida was really something to behold when ole cousin Urban was running that show as well. Money handshakes from boosters is standard operating procedure and with college football being a multi billion dollar enterprise that it has become a cesspool for secret payouts and deals for players. Most of these payouts are funneled through 3rd parties to the parents of the players. And for those of you who think I am full of sh*t just look at the current college basketball scandal where they caught several major college basketball programs blatantly cheating by creating false curricula and payouts through shoe companies (adidas the prime one). This "investigation" has been going on for at least 2 years now. The only casualties to this scandal were a couple of assistants and Rick Pitino. North Carolina which was one of the worst offenders is going to give Roy Williams a raise and a long term extension. None of these programs received even a scholarship reduction or sanction of any kind. This whole episode was just swept under the rug like nothing ever happened. So don't be stupid or naïve and think these programs aren't paying these kids and cheating as there is too much money at stake here for it not to be going on.
All this strikes me as "Everyone cheats but us" crap that fans like to spew over and over. Does cheating happen? Sure does. Does it happen at Alabama? Maybe, maybe not. Anyone who claims to "know the truth" is just stating their opinion, nothing more.
Again, could be happening. Probably is in some places. Is what it is
What makes me suspect is the quality of the class Alabama recruits every year. It just doesn’t add up. Really, every year. Kids get into the NFL from almost every D1 program. The coaching staffs around the country are all good to great. So figure it out yourself. If you think everything at Alabama is legit, there is a bridge in Brooklyn someone will sell you!
What makes me suspect is the quality of the class Alabama recruits every year. It just doesn’t add up. Really, every year. Kids get into the NFL from almost every D1 program. The coaching staffs around the country are all good to great. So figure it out yourself. If you think everything at Alabama is legit, there is a bridge in Brooklyn someone will sell you!
So every school that recruits top 5-10 annually is cheating by this logic.
All I'm saying is what other school wins 5-6 National Titles in a ten year span? None. Saban won 3 from 2009-2012 without having the #1 class every year... It's not rocket science to figure out why a high school kid would want to to to a team that has a 50% chance at winning a title every year since Saban's been there.
Again, could be happening and could not be. Speculation is just that, speculation. You can drive yourself nuts and talk about how they cheat all you want... but someone has to go out and prove it if it's going on.
Heck, I've seen people talk about Penn State playing players on other forums. All about "no way they would have gotten any recruits to go there under sanctions", which we all know is BS. However, fans like to spin fantasies... even Alabama fans talk about how Auburn wouldn't be a rival at all if they didn't cheat. LMAO.
I am sick and tired of this Nick Saban is the greatest coach to ever walk the sideline nonsense...What did he do BEFORE he got the LSU job? I will tell you...He did jack squat...He inherited a national title team and won with somebody elses recruits...He is a Billy Belicheat deciple….He didn't do squat in the pros when he had his chance to coach in the NFL he went PLOP....As I stated above and it isn't here say it's a FACT...Listen to what the former players tell you...How bout Cam Newton's fathers statement regarding payment? If you don't think these schools aren't paying players you're simply delusional and in denial...Was the NCAA basketball scandal here say too? I guess the whole Adidas thing and the bogus curricula at North Carolina and the other schools mentioned was all a misunderstanding right? Listen..It's very easy to figure out who's paying off players and who's trying to do things the right way...Look at the graduation rates of the players in a program...That's the first tell as to who is actually putting out student athletes and who's engaging in shenanigans...The SEC historically has the worst graduation rates of college football programs out of the power 5 conferences...And that's with their bogus made up phony curriculums...I had a guy work for me who's daughter was the lead academic advisor for the football team while T. Martin was the QB at Tennessee...All I can tell you is the whole thing is a farce...She eventually resigned because she couldn't consciously continue because it was so corrupt...You have kids playing in many of these programs that can barely read on a 3rd grade level...These AD's and University Presidents look the other way and plead ignorance OR use the old I only have so much control over the boosters....If you don't think Cars, bags of money, clothes and girls aren't used to bring these recruits in then as I said before you're just in denial...
I am sick and tired of this Nick Saban is the greatest coach to ever walk the sideline nonsense...What did he do BEFORE he got the LSU job? I will tell you...He did jack squat...He inherited a national title team and won with somebody elses recruits...He is a Billy Belicheat deciple….He didn't do squat in the pros when he had his chance to coach in the NFL he went PLOP....As I stated above and it isn't here say it's a FACT...Listen to what the former players tell you...How bout Cam Newton's fathers statement regarding payment? If you don't think these schools aren't paying players you're simply delusional and in denial...Was the NCAA basketball scandal here say too? I guess the whole Adidas thing and the bogus curricula at North Carolina and the other schools mentioned was all a misunderstanding right? Listen..It's very easy to figure out who's paying off players and who's trying to do things the right way...Look at the graduation rates of the players in a program...That's the first tell as to who is actually putting out student athletes and who's engaging in shenanigans...The SEC historically has the worst graduation rates of college football programs out of the power 5 conferences...And that's with their bogus made up phony curriculums...I had a guy work for me who's daughter was the lead academic advisor for the football team while T. Martin was the QB at Tennessee...All I can tell you is the whole thing is a farce...She eventually resigned because she couldn't consciously continue because it was so corrupt...You have kids playing in many of these programs that can barely read on a 3rd grade level...These AD's and University Presidents look the other way and plead ignorance OR use the old I only have so much control over the boosters....If you don't think Cars, bags of money, clothes and girls aren't used to bring these recruits in then as I said before you're just in denial...
What BS... LSU had one NC in 1958, and hadn't won an SEC title in 11 years before Saban showed up. He inherited a team that went 4-7 & 3-8 in the two previous seasons, and immediately went 8-4. In his 4th year at LSU he won the National Title, with all of HIS RECRUITS.
At Alabama he took over a team that went 6-7 the year before, and only once was it above .500 in 4 years with the previous coach. He won the National Title 3 years later, again with mostly HIS RECRUITS.
WTF??? I mean, at least make a argument that makes sense. "He inherited a national title team and won with somebody elses recruits" - that statement alone proves you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Nick Saban.
1. He didn't inheret winning teams at either Alabama or LSU. FACT
2. He didn't win NC's with someone else's recruits. FACT
3. Before LSU, his last year at MSU he went 10-2. MSU had not won 10 games since 1958. FACT
I mean, when it comes to Saban: "Everything you just said... is wrong" - Luke Skywalker
LMAO
There is a book called Meat Market. By Bruce Feldman. It’s about college football recruiting and stories of what it takes to get some of these players to your school
PS... I didn't say it wasn't happening, I said they need to prove it. Not just say "I know someone's daughter who worked there". Proof, they've gotten proof before and they can do it again. With UNC they had proof, but legalese BS'd their way out of it. That was very unfortunate, black eye for college sports IMO.
There is a book called Meat Market. By Bruce Feldman. It’s about college football recruiting and stories of what it takes to get some of these players to your school
...and about a million other movies, documentaries, etc... No one said it wasn't happening and everything is lilly white.
There is a book called Meat Market. By Bruce Feldman. It’s about college football recruiting and stories of what it takes to get some of these players to your school
...and about a million other movies, documentaries, etc... No one said it wasn't happening and everything is lilly white.
And if it is happening I'm sure Slick Nick is in on the action. He's too good of a coach to pass it up, LOL.
There is a book called Meat Market. By Bruce Feldman. It’s about college football recruiting and stories of what it takes to get some of these players to your school
...and about a million other movies, documentaries, etc... No one said it wasn't happening and everything is lilly white.
And if it is happening I'm sure Slick Nick is in on the action. He's too good of a coach to pass it up, LOL.
as I've said multiple times, it's definitely possible... never said any different!
I don't know if Alabama is shady any more than I know if James Franklin is. I do know, however, that many of today's youth have a feeling of entitlement and have a what have you done for me lately attitude. Success breeds success. If you feel entitled to be playing for championships and you are wondering what teams have done lately than you are going to Alabama or Clemson or maybe even Ohio State. The bottom line is that Alabama wins... A Lot. And when you win a lot, people will line up to play for you.
Heck, take a look in the Mat Room at PSU to see our version of this. Cael Sanderson may be the best coach of any sport in any league. Does that mean he cheats? Nope. It means he can walk into any living room in the country and be the best coach in the world at his profession. He is awe inspiring. If you want to win a team championship or an individual championship you want to wrestle for him.
If James Franklin can ever start to win football games at the pace that Saban can then Penn State will start getting just as many 5 star players. He may even be a better recruiter at the end of the day.
It's guys like Harbaugh or Kelly that I wonder about? Who wants to go somewhere that has coaches that will bring in replacement QBs every year after just recruiting you as one. Or go play on a team that has a coach breaking more headsets on the sidelines or can take his team anywhere in the world but where championships are played.
I agree with cravensprawl. Regarding Sanderson, I think the RTC helps.
I am sick and tired of this Nick Saban is the greatest coach to ever walk the sideline nonsense...What did he do BEFORE he got the LSU job? I will tell you...He did jack squat...He inherited a national title team and won with somebody elses recruits...He is a Billy Belicheat deciple….He didn't do squat in the pros when he had his chance to coach in the NFL he went PLOP....As I stated above and it isn't here say it's a FACT...Listen to what the former players tell you...How bout Cam Newton's fathers statement regarding payment? If you don't think these schools aren't paying players you're simply delusional and in denial...Was the NCAA basketball scandal here say too? I guess the whole Adidas thing and the bogus curricula at North Carolina and the other schools mentioned was all a misunderstanding right? Listen..It's very easy to figure out who's paying off players and who's trying to do things the right way...Look at the graduation rates of the players in a program...That's the first tell as to who is actually putting out student athletes and who's engaging in shenanigans...The SEC historically has the worst graduation rates of college football programs out of the power 5 conferences...And that's with their bogus made up phony curriculums...I had a guy work for me who's daughter was the lead academic advisor for the football team while T. Martin was the QB at Tennessee...All I can tell you is the whole thing is a farce...She eventually resigned because she couldn't consciously continue because it was so corrupt...You have kids playing in many of these programs that can barely read on a 3rd grade level...These AD's and University Presidents look the other way and plead ignorance OR use the old I only have so much control over the boosters....If you don't think Cars, bags of money, clothes and girls aren't used to bring these recruits in then as I said before you're just in denial...
What BS... LSU had one NC in 1958, and hadn't won an SEC title in 11 years before Saban showed up. He inherited a team that went 4-7 & 3-8 in the two previous seasons, and immediately went 8-4. In his 4th year at LSU he won the National Title, with all of HIS RECRUITS.
At Alabama he took over a team that went 6-7 the year before, and only once was it above .500 in 4 years with the previous coach. He won the National Title 3 years later, again with mostly HIS RECRUITS.
WTF??? I mean, at least make a argument that makes sense. "He inherited a national title team and won with somebody elses recruits" - that statement alone proves you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Nick Saban.
1. He didn't inheret winning teams at either Alabama or LSU. FACT
2. He didn't win NC's with someone else's recruits. FACT
3. Before LSU, his last year at MSU he went 10-2. MSU had not won 10 games since 1958. FACTI mean, when it comes to Saban: "Everything you just said... is wrong" - Luke Skywalker
LMAO
Calm down roam. He is not writing for a scientific journal.
I agree with cravensprawl. Regarding Sanderson, I think the RTC helps.
The RTC was definitely a piece in the success formula. Cael would never had accepted the job had he not been assured all the tools needed for success. The Lorenzo facility was built to be state of the art, better than any other existing wrestling facility. He could showcase the facility to lure and keep the best high school talent from Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York and Ohio. Since then it’s become a wrestling arms race with Ohio State, Iowa, Rutgers pouring millions in upgrades. Still, I think PSU has the best coach ever in any sport (including Dan Gable, Nick Saban and I hate to admit it Paterno) that will keep them on top as long as he is here. And, he is doing it with dignity, honesty and genuine care for his kids beyond their college career.
Fact of the matter is that the only people who care about the wrong doings of the winners are the losers or those who are left out.
I am sick and tired of this Nick Saban is the greatest coach to ever walk the sideline nonsense...What did he do BEFORE he got the LSU job? I will tell you...He did jack squat...He inherited a national title team and won with somebody elses recruits...He is a Billy Belicheat deciple….He didn't do squat in the pros when he had his chance to coach in the NFL he went PLOP....As I stated above and it isn't here say it's a FACT...Listen to what the former players tell you...How bout Cam Newton's fathers statement regarding payment? If you don't think these schools aren't paying players you're simply delusional and in denial...Was the NCAA basketball scandal here say too? I guess the whole Adidas thing and the bogus curricula at North Carolina and the other schools mentioned was all a misunderstanding right? Listen..It's very easy to figure out who's paying off players and who's trying to do things the right way...Look at the graduation rates of the players in a program...That's the first tell as to who is actually putting out student athletes and who's engaging in shenanigans...The SEC historically has the worst graduation rates of college football programs out of the power 5 conferences...And that's with their bogus made up phony curriculums...I had a guy work for me who's daughter was the lead academic advisor for the football team while T. Martin was the QB at Tennessee...All I can tell you is the whole thing is a farce...She eventually resigned because she couldn't consciously continue because it was so corrupt...You have kids playing in many of these programs that can barely read on a 3rd grade level...These AD's and University Presidents look the other way and plead ignorance OR use the old I only have so much control over the boosters....If you don't think Cars, bags of money, clothes and girls aren't used to bring these recruits in then as I said before you're just in denial...
What BS... LSU had one NC in 1958, and hadn't won an SEC title in 11 years before Saban showed up. He inherited a team that went 4-7 & 3-8 in the two previous seasons, and immediately went 8-4. In his 4th year at LSU he won the National Title, with all of HIS RECRUITS.
At Alabama he took over a team that went 6-7 the year before, and only once was it above .500 in 4 years with the previous coach. He won the National Title 3 years later, again with mostly HIS RECRUITS.
WTF??? I mean, at least make a argument that makes sense. "He inherited a national title team and won with somebody elses recruits" - that statement alone proves you have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Nick Saban.
1. He didn't inheret winning teams at either Alabama or LSU. FACT
2. He didn't win NC's with someone else's recruits. FACT
3. Before LSU, his last year at MSU he went 10-2. MSU had not won 10 games since 1958. FACTI mean, when it comes to Saban: "Everything you just said... is wrong" - Luke Skywalker
LMAO
Calm down roam. He is not writing for a scientific journal.
So facts only matter in journals?
...and I felt the Luke Skywalker quote adequately displayed I'm not taking it too seriously, but still if you talk about another don't say he took over national championship teams when he plainly didn't.
