Think they will find the statue now or is that politically incorrect?
Keep the Library $ but take the statue
Does it have any meaning other than they didn't accept the report the NCAA helped write and Sue gets some expenses paid?
This article makes it sound as thought the lawsuit was based more on Jay’s inability to find work as a football coach. I’ll bite my tongue here, but it’s my opinion that the fact he couldn’t find work as a football coach had more to do with his ability and less to do with the scandal.
Also, according to this, the statue will not be going back up
PSU, Paterno family settle 'issues'
http://www.altoonamirror.com/news/local-news/2020/02/psu-paterno-family-settle-issues/
Doesn't say how much money so I would imagine it's a bundle dished out. We all heard it before. Penn state is a money bag. All you need to do is make a claim. It's that easy. For all we know it could have been a 53 foot trailer filled from front to back.
Everything is politically incorrect in this day and age - imho that's the problem.
I can’t understand why every QB coach and every OC gets credit for the offense they run, QB’s they recruit and developed except Jay Paterno and John Donovan. MROB, D-Clark, Pat Devlin, Matt McGloin and McSorely were all pretty good QB’s and all these QB’s won a lot of games 😁 y’all just deal with it baby lol
I can’t understand why every QB coach and every OC gets credit for the offense they run, QB’s they recruit and developed except Jay Paterno and John Donovan. MROB, D-Clark, Pat Devlin, Matt McGloin and McSorely were all pretty good QB’s and all these QB’s won a lot of games 😁 y’all just deal with it baby lol
Oh Southern, here we go again. You know my feelings on Jay. Jay wouldn’t have had a job at a place like PSU unless his dad was the head coach. And that is why I think he wasn’t hired anywhere else after PSU. It was his coaching abilities that prevented him from getting another job. For every MROB, there was Matt Seneca. For every Daryll Clark, there was Anthony Morelli. For every Matt McGloin there was Rob Bolden. How many INTs did McGloin have in a very winnable bowl game against Florida? 5. Who was his QB coach that day? Jay. I know that is a small sample size, but how much coaching and teaching was going on that day?
McGloin thrived under BO’B, not Jay. BO’B prepared him for a shot at the NFL. In my opinion, he would not have gotten that opportunity if Jay coached him that senior season. I still remember reading a quote from an NFL coach describing Morelli as the most under coached QB he had ever worked with. That speaks volumes.
Donovan doesn’t get credit for McSorely. He thrived under JoMo and to a lesser degree Rahne. But, McSorely was just a winner. He may have thrived under anyone. Same for MRob. Hackenberg was still the starter under Donovan. We all saw how that turned out.
One last thing, guess who the recruiting coordinator was that set up the roster for the down years of 2000-2004? You guessed it..Jay. He was quietly relieved of those responsibilities.
We can agree to disagree on this if you like, Jay can be very polarizing amongst the PSU faithful. I, for one, am happy we have moved on.
“That dude was everything a coach shouldn’t be”, Mike Mauti referring to Jay Paterno.
https://www.mcall.com/news/mc-xpm-2013-08-26-mc-mike-mauti-paterno-20130826-story,amp.html
I can’t understand why every QB coach and every OC gets credit for the offense they run, QB’s they recruit and developed except Jay Paterno and John Donovan. MROB, D-Clark, Pat Devlin, Matt McGloin and McSorely were all pretty good QB’s and all these QB’s won a lot of games 😁 y’all just deal with it baby lol
Pat Devlin transferred and Matt McGloin started playing well under O'Brien. McSorely never played a season under Donovan. Why do you insist on giving people credit for players that either sucked or never saw the field when they were coaching? Stop it, it's akin to saying the coach before Rhule at Baylor was really good because they were his players that Rhule won with. Nonsense.
The reason why no one gives credit to Jay for QBs is the vast majority of players at the QB position during his time there either stunk or never got any better under him. Some even regressed.
I give him credit for Clark, but that's it. Robinson succeeded because he was brilliant at running the ball and improvising plays when things broke down.
Think they will find the statue now or is that politically incorrect?
Keep the Library $ but take the statue
Does it have any meaning other than they didn't accept the report the NCAA helped write and Sue gets some expenses paid?
I never liked the statue in the first place, the reason being I saw Joe quoted about it at the time... He said he didn't want one. I always thought it was a weird way to honor someone... by doing something they didn't ask for or want.
click bait 99 lol. I knew I’d get you and roam going lol. Just saying Meyer gets credit for all his DT QB’s when jay doesn’t. Had jay had Tim Tebow we would’ve had a great chance at winning a NC then Jay would’ve looked like a genius just like he did when we had D-Clark and MROB. As for moreli Meyer had Driskel but unlike Meyer taking off and jumping ship when he knew he couldn’t win with Driskel jay did stay around and try and make moreli better. I was just going on with you guys we just have different opinions about jay and both opinions are probably justified just depends on how you look at it.
i was for the statue and I’ll admit I was wrong because the good LORD doesn’t like statue because people will worship them so as for me every statue regardless of what it is needs to be destroyed. All the confederate, Budist, Hindu, MLK, sports and even Dale Earnhardt and Joe Paterno statues need to be destroyed....period because there will be people that will worship them. Hope I covered all the statues lol
click bait 99 lol. I knew I’d get you and roam going lol. Just saying Meyer gets credit for all his DT QB’s when jay doesn’t. Had jay had Tim Tebow we would’ve had a great chance at winning a NC then Jay would’ve looked like a genius just like he did when we had D-Clark and MROB. As for moreli Meyer had Driskel but unlike Meyer taking off and jumping ship when he knew he couldn’t win with Driskel jay did stay around and try and make moreli better. I was just going on with you guys we just have different opinions about jay and both opinions are probably justified just depends on how you look at it.
1. Meyer was a head coach, not the QB coach.
That said...
2. Meyer won a National Title with Chris Leak, Tim Tebow wasn't the starting QB for his first title.
3. At Utah Meyer coached Alex Smith, a good QB and NFL draftee. They went undefeated
4. Meyer never coached Driskel, in 2011 the Florida starter was Brantley. Litteraly the ONLY starting QB under Meyer that wasn't all that good.
Terrible comparison of coaches
good comparison I’m saying you have to have good players to win and when Meyer had Driskel he teams weren’t all that good just like we weren’t when we had moreli. Somebody brought up moreli so I threw Driskel out there. Give Meyer and jay MROB and Tebow and they’ll win win 11 or 12 games give ‘em moreli and Driskel and they win 8 or 9 games it’s that simple. Yes Meyer was the HC but he was very involved with the QB’s just like jay was.
good comparison I’m saying you have to have good players to win and when Meyer had Driskel he teams weren’t all that good just like we weren’t when we had moreli. Somebody brought up moreli so I threw Driskel out there. Give Meyer and jay MROB and Tebow and they’ll win win 11 or 12 games give ‘em moreli and Driskel and they win 8 or 9 games it’s that simple. Yes Meyer was the HC but he was very involved with the QB’s just like jay was.
Seriously Southern, you need to at least get players right.
Meyer never coached Driskel, I said that already.
@roaminglioni meant Brantley but regardless bad QB play. Meyer got out of town because he knew he didn’t have a QB and instead of staying and fixing his misses on QB’s he skipped out of town.
@roaminglioni meant Brantley but regardless bad QB play. Meyer got out of town because he knew he didn’t have a QB and instead of staying and fixing his misses on QB’s he skipped out of town.
That's pure nonsense. There were other reasons, he didn't skip town because 1 year he had an okay QB.
Please, you're trying to equate 1 bad QB year out of a 20 year coaching career as some sort of comparison to a guy who had more years with crap QBs than he did with good ones. Just nonsense, stop it.
He didn’t have just 1 average year he had 2 and he got out of dodge because he couldn’t take losing 4 or 5 games and he knew he didn’t have a QB and he wasn’t going to stick around and fix it that’s just the facts roam.
@roaminglioni meant Brantley but regardless bad QB play. Meyer got out of town because he knew he didn’t have a QB and instead of staying and fixing his misses on QB’s he skipped out of town.
That's pure nonsense. There were other reasons, he didn't skip town because 1 year he had an okay QB.
Please, you're trying to equate 1 bad QB year out of a 20 year coaching career as some sort of comparison to a guy who had more years with crap QBs than he did with good ones. Just nonsense, stop it.
You are both right. He had many reasons to leave and I think the “medical issue” was a front to save face. There were some behind the scene shenanigans going on and he saw the writing on the wall that Saban was about to dominate the SEC and Meyer no longer had the roster to compete with him. Oh yeah, and he had a potential serial killer just come through the program. Seemed like he had a lot in his plate.
Here’s where I don’t understand those that steadfastly think the statue has to go back up to right everything. If you take Joe at his word, which the same group of people do without question, why would you advocate for the statue to go back up? He never wanted it anyway. It’s a large chunk of bronze that is polarizing, even within our own fan base and alumni, that he openly said he didn’t want or like. If you want to honor Joe and his principles, make a donation to the school towards academic scholarships for those in need and tell them you are doing it in Joe’s honor. Or make the donation to the English department in his honor. Joe loved books and poetry. Stop wasting your time with the statue nonsense. That ship has sailed.
Here’s where I don’t understand those that steadfastly think the statue has to go back up to right everything. If you take Joe at his word, which the same group of people do without question, why would you advocate for the statue to go back up? He never wanted it anyway. It’s a large chunk of bronze that is polarizing, even within our own fan base and alumni, that he openly said he didn’t want or like. If you want to honor Joe and his principles, make a donation to the school towards academic scholarships for those in need and tell them you are doing it in Joe’s honor. Or make the donation to the English department in his honor. Joe loved books and poetry. Stop wasting your time with the statue nonsense. That ship has sailed.
Let me offer my thoughts on the statue issue. I don't think the statue itself is the problem, it's the removal of the statue that offended some people, including yours truly. This was a move to placate the lynch mob that placed the blame for the Sandusky debacle squarely on the back of JoePa. After the cowardly actions of the BOT in the manner in which they fired him, the removal of the statue simply added more fuel to the fire for those (again including yours truly) who feel he was unfairly made the scapegoat for the whole sordid matter. As far as your suggestion of making donations to the school in his name, that is an individual decision we all would have to make. Personally, I think JoePa, Sue and the Paterno family have done more than their share and anything I could afford to donate would be very underwhelming to say the least. I'm still waiting for my Alma Mater to take some action, aside from lip service, to belatedly honor Joe for his lifetime of contributions in making PSU the great institution that it is today. I'm not advocating for the statue to be put back up, but naming the football field after him could be an appropriate way to recognize his accomplishments. However, I'm afraid some people would consider this polarizing. In my opinion, it would be justified by the fact that his 409 wins are the most of any coach in major college football history! I just feel the man deserved better than he got.
@rip I respect and appreciate your perspective. We seem to agree that drawing a line in the sand over the statue is probably not the best approach. The idea I floated about supporting the education aspect of the university isn’t meant to exclude anyone, it’s to honor Joe in a way he would have appreciated more than the statue and to get the point across to the university that it was in honor of Joe. I think if enough people did that instead of sounding off about the statue, it may be more effective. For instance, whomever pays for the airplane to fly over the school on game days advocating for the statue to be put back up, could make far better use of that money.
@lionbacker99 - I understand where you're coming from and I appreciate what you're saying, especially about the fly over. I'm sure the statue will never see the light of day and that's fine with me. I just think it's a crying shame the way Joe was treated and never properly recognized for all the good he did.
The crook and scumbag Louis Freeh does a report and people believe him is what I can’t believe but at the same time it’s hard to deceive Ol’ southern bob. The ncaa knew that the Freeh report was crap that’s why they give the wins back it’s that simple. I may be wrong but ain’t Freeh the same scumbag that tried to frame Richard Jewell?
You're right on both points, Southern. I couldn't believe how people could swallow what he was trying to sell about JoePa. Yes, I think Freeh tried to railroad Jewell too!
The crook and scumbag Louis Freeh does a report and people believe him is what I can’t believe but at the same time it’s hard to deceive Ol’ southern bob. The ncaa knew that the Freeh report was crap that’s why they give the wins back it’s that simple. I may be wrong but ain’t Freeh the same scumbag that tried to frame Richard Jewell?
Freeh was FBI Director at the time, so certainly it falls on him what his agents did to that man.
