Franklin does share my opinion that’s why Limegrover still has a job. You’re the one throwing stats around and I’m telling you if Limegrover was the problem he would be looking for a job. We’ve not been good on 3rd downs for 4 years now and it’s because of the way we play offense. We like living on big plays down field if you haven’t noticed. There’s a reason we like living on big plays because they have been working but if they don’t work you won’t be good on 3rd downs and that’s exactly what’s been happening for 4 years now. And I haven’t said not to get better so don’t try and put words in that I ain’t said I just believe we just need to clean up a few things like drops and penalties and we’ll go 11-1 or undefeated. If the OL was the problem don’t you think James Franklin would’ve fired him like he did the WR’s coach and Donovan? When the man sees a problem he fixes it. Yes they can get better and they have got better every year since Limegrover got to penn st.
Franklin does share my opinion that’s why Limegrover still has a job. You’re the one throwing stats around and I’m telling you if Limegrover was the problem he would be looking for a job. We’ve not been good on 3rd downs for 4 years now and it’s because of the way we play offense. We like living on big plays down field if you haven’t noticed. There’s a reason we like living on big plays because they have been working but if they don’t work you won’t be good on 3rd downs and that’s exactly what’s been happening for 4 years now. And I haven’t said not to get better so don’t try and put words in that I ain’t said I just believe we just need to clean up a few things like drops and penalties and we’ll go 11-1 or undefeated. If the OL was the problem don’t you think James Franklin would’ve fired him like he did the WR’s coach and Donovan? When the man sees a problem he fixes it. Yes they can get better and they have got better every year since Limegrover got to penn st.
Where in this entire post thread did I say Limegrover was the problem and needs to be fired? My lord people really need to get off of this black-and-white BS, where if you say there are some areas to work on it means a certain coach is the problem and needs to be fired.
I said there are areas to work on for the offensive line, and that's Limegrover's job. I also said there were areas of the line that were good... It doesn't mean that I think he's a problem, but it's obviously something he can work on with the offensive line. It is an area that needs improvement.
And yes, you have said exactly that... that we shouldn't work on places we aren't doing well because we are "winning". Those are like, pretty much the exact words you wrote. Why else would you argue that we shouldn't try to get better at protecting our quarterback in passing situations, and only focus on catching passes? I mean... WTF?
And stop changing your positions to defend your posts. You kept saying for years that Donovan was a good offensive coordinator and we would have been just as good under him... and now here you are saying that he was a problem because Franklin fired him. Try to be consistent at least. Was Donovan a problem or not?
Are you even watching these games roam our QB has been gettin the chit knocked out ‘em since 2016. When the QB runs around and likes to thrown down field they’re going to get their share of getting drilled and that’s exactly what is happening. As for Donovan I said James Franklin did fire him.
One more thing and I’ll just let this go. Michigan, Clemson, Alabama, Penn Stste and Mississippi State all have one thing in common with the offense they run, their QB’s get the chit knocked out of ‘em and all these teams in the last 2 years have had injuries at QB because in these offenses where you like to run your QB they’re going to get their Pee pee knocked in the dirt rather it’s in the pocket, out of the pocket or down field they’re going to get the chit knocked out of ‘em it’s that simple it’s just the offense. In these offense you better have a good backup brother and if you don’t believe me read this post again because you definitely missed something.
One more thing and I’ll just let this go. Michigan, Clemson, Alabama, Penn Stste and Mississippi State all have one thing in common with the offense they run, their QB’s get the chit knocked out of ‘em and all these teams in the last 2 years have had injuries at QB because in these offenses where you like to run your QB they’re going to get their Pee pee knocked in the dirt rather it’s in the pocket, out of the pocket or down field they’re going to get the chit knocked out of ‘em it’s that simple it’s just the offense. In these offense you better have a good backup brother and if you don’t believe me read this post again because you definitely missed something.
Alabama rank for protecting the QB on passing downs: 4
Clemson rank for protecting the QB on passing downs: 26
Michigan rank for protecting the QB on passing downs: 80
Penn State rank fro protecting the QB on passing downs: 122
Well, you're right about Michigan, their offense sucks at protecting the QB on passing downs too. Not exactly a high flying great offense though so I don't know why you'd want to compare them.
As for Alabama and Clemson? Dead wrong. We're 122, they are top 26. Both protect their QB better on passing downs than we do... way better. Don't let facts get in the way of your theory though.
I have been saying it for years... The difference between elite teams and very good teams are the OL & DL and those teams ability to constantly get the top 4* and 5* players in those positions.
I know you love stats Roam. You must be a statistician...LOL...My eyes tell me that they can't move anybody off of the ball...Most plays they are pushed around...I think that is part of the reason for the lack of success in the red zone...1st and goal from the 5 yard line you should be able to run it in...That's all there is to it...Penn State has one of the best running back stables in the country so it isn't a lack of talent in the backfield...The problem with Penn State this year offensively was that it was big play TD or nothing...I agree about the sack stat...I will say it again...The OLine needs to improve and they gotta stop giving up the big play on 3rd and long...They get beat deep over and over again...That's coaching...I don't give a rip what anybody says...EVERY coverage on 3rd and long there is a safety that is told not to let anybody behind ya...Depending on the coverage they also tell the corners give em room and don't let em behind ya...I have never seen a team get beat deep on 3rd and long situations with the regularity that Penn State did this year...It cost em the game against Minnesota...If that kid don't get beat deep there I am sure they win that football game...Of course their redzone offense was terrible as well...Those are the 2 areas of this team that I feel need to be fixed...That being said I think the program is moving along in the right direction and I do believe that they will win at least 1 National Championship in the next 5 years...
I know you love stats Roam. You must be a statistician...LOL...My eyes tell me that they can't move anybody off of the ball...Most plays they are pushed around...I think that is part of the reason for the lack of success in the red zone...1st and goal from the 5 yard line you should be able to run it in...That's all there is to it...Penn State has one of the best running back stables in the country so it isn't a lack of talent in the backfield...The problem with Penn State this year offensively was that it was big play TD or nothing...I agree about the sack stat...I will say it again...The OLine needs to improve and they gotta stop giving up the big play on 3rd and long...They get beat deep over and over again...That's coaching...I don't give a rip what anybody says...EVERY coverage on 3rd and long there is a safety that is told not to let anybody behind ya...Depending on the coverage they also tell the corners give em room and don't let em behind ya...I have never seen a team get beat deep on 3rd and long situations with the regularity that Penn State did this year...It cost em the game against Minnesota...If that kid don't get beat deep there I am sure they win that football game...Of course their redzone offense was terrible as well...Those are the 2 areas of this team that I feel need to be fixed...That being said I think the program is moving along in the right direction and I do believe that they will win at least 1 National Championship in the next 5 years...
PSU was actually one of the better Red Zone teams this year. That wasn't really our issue, as we ranked among the top teams in the country for Red Zone TD percentage at 70%
So the coaches are coaching the DBs not to get beat deep and they get beat deep that points to one thing, a player winning their one on one matchups.
I will add my two cents but before I do will say that I am not a coach, don't claim to be a coach, am not claiming to be smarter than any coaches and don't think any coaches should be fired.
I think some of this offensive line problem is the scheme. The line has no idea what is happening behind them when the RPO is happening. Is the run going right? Left? Middle? Is it a pass?
When the line knows what is coming I think they block pretty well. I will point to the Ohio State game as evidence. When Levis came into the game the playbook got limited. It became a run-heavy offense and the blocking instantly improved. Suddenly the QB and RBs were able to get yards in chunks. Suddenly, we had STUDS running the ball when the first half we had none. While I do think Levis is slightly better than Clifford at running the ball I think the majority of the success was that the line knew what they had to do and were able to complete that mission.
Iowa is another example. When we needed to run the ball to end the game they were able to block and the RB get yards in chunks.
So it is my opinion that these guys can play. I mean we are sending linemen to the NFL, but the scheme we run is very hard to block for. Adjust the scheme to be less RPO and more play-action and I think you instantly improve the line play.
Yep, new QB, ew RB’s and a few new OLineman. That’s why I say keep doing what we’re doing just do it better. This was a rebuilding year and we almost pulled out 11 wins just missed on a few plays. I’d like to see the next OC run more on 1st and 2nd down but that just my opinion lol
If they run it like many teams there are offensive line calls and QB calls that set play side... There should never be a time that the OL does not know what is going on behind them unless its a broken play.
With the new rule of only allowing OL three yards down field on a pass play can keep you from driving to far on a run play because that play could turn into a pass play in the RPO system. So if there is an overall scheme issue it might reside there.
If they run it like many teams there are offensive line calls and QB calls that set play side... There should never be a time that the OL does not know what is going on behind them unless its a broken play.
With the new rule of only allowing OL three yards down field on a pass play can keep you from driving to far on a run play because that play could turn into a pass play in the RPO system. So if there is an overall scheme issue it might reside there.
In RPO the OL mainly run blocks, it's rare for them to drop back into a pass block scheme in an RPO play but does happen. Typically the line blocks in whatever fashion the run portion of the RPO is. If it's a power run, they block power. If it's a zone run, they zone block.
One way a line will pass block is hand signals from the WRs or a QB code word. If it's an RPO and the offense thinks they have a favorable matchup downfield for a deep ball, they can tell the line to pass block before the play is run. Technically the play really isn't an RPO at that point, because a pass is kinda predetermined... but in a way the option was there and the QB saw the opportunity. For short passes this isn't necessary.
Some key ways to tell if a play is an RPO is: On a pass, was the OL aggressively blocking downhill? Could be RPO. On a run play were the WRs running their routes? Could be an RPO. Last thing would be if the QB is looking directly at a single defender. If they do, it's most likely an RPO because he's keying his selection off of that guy. All three together? Definitely RPO.
One of the main reasons the NFL doesn't run a ton of RPO scheme is that it's almost impossible to have the option to pass if the lineman can't run block more than a yard. When the NFL does run an RPO play, the run portion is usually a sweep or some outside run where the lineman don't blast directly downfield right away. It's a bit different, but as Baltimore has shown can still be deadly.
I will add my two cents but before I do will say that I am not a coach, don't claim to be a coach, am not claiming to be smarter than any coaches and don't think any coaches should be fired.
I think some of this offensive line problem is the scheme. The line has no idea what is happening behind them when the RPO is happening. Is the run going right? Left? Middle? Is it a pass?
When the line knows what is coming I think they block pretty well. I will point to the Ohio State game as evidence. When Levis came into the game the playbook got limited. It became a run-heavy offense and the blocking instantly improved. Suddenly the QB and RBs were able to get yards in chunks. Suddenly, we had STUDS running the ball when the first half we had none. While I do think Levis is slightly better than Clifford at running the ball I think the majority of the success was that the line knew what they had to do and were able to complete that mission.
Iowa is another example. When we needed to run the ball to end the game they were able to block and the RB get yards in chunks.
So it is my opinion that these guys can play. I mean we are sending linemen to the NFL, but the scheme we run is very hard to block for. Adjust the scheme to be less RPO and more play-action and I think you instantly improve the line play.
You are right on the money cave ... spread the word!
