As for the NFL Super Bowl... Harbaugh got to it, but he didn't win it.
Jim Fassel got to a Super Bowl, no one considers him a great coach. Heck, the NFL is littered with guys who reached a Super Bowl... many historically though of as mediocre at best. Brian Billick? Ken Whisenhunt? Mike Martz??? None of these men are considered even above average coaches. LMAO,
Go ask Cornhusker fans how they feel about Bill Callahan! He went to a Super Bowl with the Oakland Raiders and was a pathetic excuse for a coach at Nebraska.
I disagree Roam when Michigan plays Ohio st 99% of the time they’ll get their A game just like when Alabama and Auburn play. These rivalries seem to bring out the best in teams. Rivalry games are very intense and the players go all out.
Yeah because Ohio State isn't up for the game against us... They always bring their C game.
When Michigan State played Ohio State for the Big Ten Championship, OSU showed up with their C+ game.
Please, enough of that crap.
Because he's at Illinois, that's why but forget lovee, there are exceptions to every rule..As for the college /pro comparison, why don't you mention Nick Saban, who absolutely dominates the college scene, and couldnt flee Miami fast enough..
Ive also outlined JH's accomplishments in college game...here's another one, in head to head with JF, Harbaugh's 3-1 with 49-10, and 42-7 beatdowns..to his credit
If that's the case, we better get a real rivalry game to help put us over the hump, LOL.
Because he's at Illinois, that's why but forget lovee, there are exceptions to every rule..As for the college /pro comparison, why don't you mention Nick Saban, who absolutely dominates the college scene, and couldnt flee Miami fast enough..
Ive also outlined JH's accomplishments in college game...here's another one, in head to head with JF, Harbaugh's 3-1 with 49-10, and 42-7 beatdowns..to his credit
Illinois is the reason a great coach now sucks? Oh please... a great coach would turn around the program, not make an excuse as to why his team sucks.
Bill Callahan at Nebraska sucked, he went to a Super Bowl.
Your point about Saban absolutely MAKES MY POINT. No one in their right mind would say Harbaugh is a better college coach than Saban, yet Saban did not do well in the NFL. The NFL and NCAA are completely different, having success in one doesn't affect the other.
End of the day there is one thing you can't talk away... He has yet to win a conference in 8 years of D1 coaching. Period. Until he does, you can say he is good all you want but he's basically Marv Levy. Never wins the big game.
I agree with you 100%, Roam. As far as my perspective, his major claim to fame in the college game is taking his team on annual overseas field trips, LMAO.
Harbaugh's claim to fame is recruiting, when he sleeps over at a kicker's house. No matter how you look at it, that's strange.
My word people, In the very first line of the very first post by Roam he says "IN THE BIG TEN". That's the body of work he's talking about, not Stanford, the NFL, his Pee-Wee football team or any of the other crap that's been dragged into this discussion. If you go SOLELY by the body of work in the B1G, Harbaugh sucks hind tit (to date). While JF's body of work is a bit better, there is still much room for improvement as we all know. But, unlike JH, he has won a B1G championship which JH is lacking.
Mr. BT: nobody else commented on your joke but I will: That was a pretty good one!! Actually if we compare your body of work as far as jokes go; you're improving quite a bit.
Grandfather: We all know or sense your disdain of JF and we all understand your frustration. News flash, JP isnt going to be resurrected and resume his duties as HC. How many times have you told me that I needed to "dance with the one that brung ya"?? Take a spoonful of your own medicine. Wasnt it you that always told me that I needed to learn from our past mistakes and move on?? How about ya give JF that same courtesy?? I'll never forget back in middle school when i lost a match and when I sought you out for advice you said: "its a poor hide that cant take one good tanning". Just chill out and relax Pops and let the chips fall where they may.
My man tsuga just wants another National Championship! Tsuga I’m pulling for ya brother lol
You wisely stayed away from the head to head competition...and suffice to say, Im not buying any of that other gibberish, plain and simple, the NFL is the apex of the profession..game, set match..
You wisely stayed away from the head to head competition...and suffice to say, Im not buying any of that other gibberish, plain and simple, the NFL is the apex of the profession..game, set match..
LMAO... Where did I even say Franklin was better? I said Harbaugh is not the best in the Big Ten, that it's ridiculous to consider him that since he hasn't even won a Big Ten conference title, and never even mentioned who I thought was the best coach in the Big Ten. The most successful? Mark Dantonio. The best coach? Well Dantonio is 2-2 vs. Harbaugh but also won a Big Ten title in the past 4 years so....
As for the NFL being the Apex, your are just plain wrong. I'm sorry if you just don't get it, but the two products are completely different. Head coaching in both is completely disimilar. That's why most coaches stay in one rather than the other, and most who jump one way or another don't have success. Some do... Harbaugh was one, though fleeting as it was because towards the end his team became more of a disaster. He certainly never won a SB like Pete Carroll or Bill Walsh.
Look, it's obvious you're starting to argue thing I never said. Somehow you got it in your mind that I stated Franklin is a better coach than Harbaugh. I didn't, I merely stated that Franklin actually has won a conference title... something Harbaugh has never done. So... does Harbaugh get paid 8 million to beat Franklin, or does he get paid to win the Big Ten?
Lastly... The head to head record really doesn't concern me... 2015 we were sanctioned, 2016 we were starting kids out of the stands at LB, 2017/2018 I'd consider more legit.
So at full strength non sanction years Franklin is 1-2 vs. Harbaugh. Hardly terrible. Why people can't understand that going 7-6 in the 2014/2015 years under Franklin actually demonstrate that he is a good coach, I'll never understand. He won 7 games with 20 less schollies that everyone else, of course he wasn't going to beat OSU, UM, or MSU in those years. However, people continue to tack those losses onto his record as some sort of indictment like it means something.
Exactly right Roam on the 2014 & 2015 seasons. For James Franklin to have winning seasons them 2 years is probably the best coaching I’ve ever witnessed. I still ain’t figured it out yet lol. How do y’all drag the post into your post so whoever knows you are talking to them? I’ve accidentally done it but don’t know how lol
I've often thought that Harbaugh was from Battle Creek, Michigan. Wikipedia says otherwise, but I figured anybody that flakey must have been a Kellogg's product.
Well done Who's! I like it.
Dawg, I don't make 'em up, I just pass them along. That said, hind tit is better than no tit. (Yeah, ok, I made that one up)
Well done Who's! I like it.
Dawg, I don't make 'em up, I just pass them along. That said, hind tit is better than no tit. (Yeah, ok, I made that one up)
2 tits... big ones are best.
You wisely stayed away from the head to head competition...and suffice to say, Im not buying any of that other gibberish, plain and simple, the NFL is the apex of the profession..game, set match..
All this coming from a guy that still thinks Notre Dame is relevant.
"IF" the NFL is the apex of the coaching profession, then one of Notre Dames' heroes, Lou Holtz, was lousy at it.
Not many jimmy johnson’s and Switzer’s in the world. Ole Pete was pretty dang good to
Thanks for helping prove my point, my man..LOu Holtz was a great college coach, had a 6 yr 64-9 record at ND including a national title, and two no 2 poll finishes, 23 game winning streak, numerous big wins against toughest teams in country during his prime yrs....but his style wasnt conducive to NFL play..Others like Harbaugh, Jimmy JOhnson who use power football, and physicality, can win anywhere..No better example than SABAN THOUGH, WHO couldnt flee Miami fast enough, yet dominates the college scene...Much easier to win at Bama than NFL...Talent he gets plus the three cupcakes, and dregs at bottom of SEC, make 9-10 wins per year a lock… ,that doesn't happen in the NFL...
Thanks for helping prove my point, my man..LOu Holtz was a great college coach, had a 6 yr 64-9 record at ND including a national title, and two no 2 poll finishes, 23 game winning streak, numerous big wins against toughest teams in country during his prime yrs....but his style wasnt conducive to NFL play..Others like Harbaugh, Jimmy JOhnson who use power football, and physicality, can win anywhere..No better example than SABAN THOUGH, WHO couldnt flee Miami fast enough, yet dominates the college scene...Much easier to win at Bama than NFL...Talent he gets plus the three cupcakes, and dregs at bottom of SEC, make 9-10 wins per year a lock… ,that doesn't happen in the NFL...
"Others like Harbaugh, Jimmy Johnson who use power football, and physicality, can win anywhere..No better example than SABAN THOUGH, WHO couldnt flee Miami fast enough, yet dominates the college scene"
First off you bring up Harbaugh, who "can win anywhere" yet hasn't won any title on any level. Coaches are paid to win championships, not rack up lots of wins. Pete Carroll won conference titles. He won championships. Bill Walsh won championships. Harbaugh, in 14 years of being a HC, has yet to accomplish any of that.
Second, you say coaches who use "power football" can win anywhere, then say Saban couldn't flee the NFL fast enough... Yet Saban has won his NCs with power football. No one in their right mind would ever argue Saban isn't a power football coach. He left the NFL because he wanted full control, and Miami wasn't going to give it to him.
Im gonna go ahead and call this one. Game, set, and match goes to Roam.
I'll say this... It's merely my opinion that Harbaugh is slightly overrated based on what he's done. I'm not saying he's a bad coach, not even close... I think he's an excellent coach. I just feel until he reaches the apex of a conference, I'm tempering my opinion of him and can't consider him "the best" in the Big Ten.
Obviously, CT feels different. That's totally fine, and he's not wrong. It's simply a difference of opinion, and makes for good debate. Opinions are like a$$h*#@, everyone's got one. LMAO, for every 5 people I can find who agree with me, I'm sure CT could find 5 more that agree with him.
I know this should go without saying, but when I argue a point with anyone on here... for the most part I hope you all know that most times I don't consider your opinion wrong. Just different. However, I like going back and forth and seeing the logic behind your opinion. As I've said before, I'd really love getting together with some of you at a bar to watch football... it would be great conversation!
Well said, Roam...I consider you one of more knowledgeable posters here, though we disagree at times..but its fun to debate you..and on legit issues, vs some poster's "ND is not relevant anymore", lol
Again though, I have to disagree a bit on your Saban slant...He fully knew the terms and conditions of employment along with the salary, when he signed along the dotted line.. And if he wanted more control after two yrs, a 15-17 record hardly afforded him any leverage..Plain and simple, he bailed after promising to stay..
And in the ensuing years, he certainly had multiple opportunities to leave for the NFL, and possibly more leverage to exert control, after his continuing Bama success.He's opted for the guaranteed 10-12 regular season wins Bama job gives him Not that I blame him, I would too, given his salary, shorter season, and considerable less stress the job gives him compared to NFL...
Well said, Roam...I consider you one of more knowledgeable posters here, though we disagree at times..but its fun to debate you..and on legit issues, vs some poster's "ND is not relevant anymore", lol
Again though, I have to disagree a bit on your Saban slant...He fully knew the terms and conditions of employment along with the salary, when he signed along the dotted line.. And if he wanted more control after two yrs, a 15-17 record hardly afforded him any leverage..Plain and simple, he bailed after promising to stay..
And in the ensuing years, he certainly had multiple opportunities to leave for the NFL, and possibly more leverage to exert control, after his continuing Bama success.He's opted for the guaranteed 10-12 regular season wins Bama job gives him Not that I blame him, I would too, given his salary, shorter season, and considerable less stress the job gives him compared to NFL...
I'd actually argue that a college job is a bit more stressful, considering the recruiting that goes on year-round. although I think neither job is easy, and carries a lot of stress with it, I think it takes a certain type of person to travel around the country on the recruiting trail like the college coaches have to.
I have actually seen NFL coaches interviewed saying no way they would ever want to recruit, and that they consider it probably the hardest part of being a college coach.
all that said, glad you agree that it's fun to talk about differing opinions 👍👍👍
