For those who say Harbaugh is the best coach in the Big Ten, consider this...
Both James Franklin and Jim Harbaugh have faced ten teams ranked in the Top 10 since taking over their current positions. Much is made of Franklin's 2-8 record vs. the top 10 while at PSU. However, does anyone know Harbaugh is............ 1-9???
Factor in Franklin had to build a broken program back up, and won a Big Ten title in year 3 while Harbaugh inherited a boat load of talent and has zero to show for it after 4 years other than one 2nd place divisional finish.
Sorry, he needs to win the conference before he is even in the conversation, especially since he has a worse record against top 10 teams than Franklin does.
I was looking at Harbaugh ‘s career not just big 10 play. I’ll put James Franklin up against ANYBODY if he’s on a same playing field but Harbaugh has won in the NFL and had great teams at Stanford and the Michigan teams have been pretty dang good to he just hasn’t beat Ohio State which has cost him big time. I don’t think Harbaugh should’ve changed his offense IMO he just needed to grind it out until he found a way to beat Ohio st but he makes the big dollars so I’m sure he knows what he’s doing lol
Lol, 1-4 against Michigan since James Franklin. Enough said. Make it 1-5 because Harbaugh will kick the crap out of them again.
We’ll take the big 10 championship forum plus the fiesta bowl coaching with one hand tied behind his back
We’ll take the big 10 championship forum plus the fiesta bowl coaching with one hand tied behind his back
Southern, what year? It certainly won't be this year. Right now, penn state is sitting in the #4 spot in the Big 10 east.
Speaking of opinions, my Fla son was trying to tell me there are 7 kinds of meat on an alligator. I told him I thought that was a croc.
We’ll take the big 10 championship forum plus the fiesta bowl coaching with one hand tied behind his back
Southern, what year? It certainly won't be this year. Right now, penn state is sitting in the #4 spot in the Big 10 east.
Enjoy your dreams, Pipe, until the season starts. Then load up on your meds. BTW, where is Rutgers sitting right now?
We’ll take the big 10 championship forum plus the fiesta bowl coaching with one hand tied behind his back
Southern, what year? It certainly won't be this year. Right now, penn state is sitting in the #4 spot in the Big 10 east.
Enjoy your dreams, Pipe, until the season starts. Then load up on your meds. BTW, where is Rutgers sitting right now?
IDK, not my team.
For those who say Harbaugh is the best coach in the Big Ten, consider this...
Both James Franklin and Jim Harbaugh have faced ten teams ranked in the Top 10 since taking over their current positions. Much is made of Franklin's 2-8 record vs. the top 10 while at PSU. However, does anyone know Harbaugh is............ 1-9???
Factor in Franklin had to build a broken program back up, and won a Big Ten title in year 3 while Harbaugh inherited a boat load of talent and has zero to show for it after 4 years other than one 2nd place divisional finish.
Sorry, he needs to win the conference before he is even in the conversation, especially since he has a worse record against top 10 teams than Franklin does.
Lol.....2-8 and 1-9?? So what you're saying is Franklin sucks but Harbaugh swallows??
For those who say Harbaugh is the best coach in the Big Ten, consider this...
Both James Franklin and Jim Harbaugh have faced ten teams ranked in the Top 10 since taking over their current positions. Much is made of Franklin's 2-8 record vs. the top 10 while at PSU. However, does anyone know Harbaugh is............ 1-9???
Factor in Franklin had to build a broken program back up, and won a Big Ten title in year 3 while Harbaugh inherited a boat load of talent and has zero to show for it after 4 years other than one 2nd place divisional finish.
Sorry, he needs to win the conference before he is even in the conversation, especially since he has a worse record against top 10 teams than Franklin does.
Lol.....2-8 and 1-9?? So what you're saying is Franklin sucks but Harbaugh swallows??
I'm saying Harbaugh hasn't done anything to justify the credit he gets in the college game. For 8 million a year, he's failed miserably.
As for FT... 1-4 vs. Harbaugh is impressive considering he's only been at Michigan 4 years. Where did the 4th loss come from? I'm willing to be Harbaugh would give up some of those wins for a conference title.
For those who say Harbaugh is the best coach in the Big Ten, consider this...
Both James Franklin and Jim Harbaugh have faced ten teams ranked in the Top 10 since taking over their current positions. Much is made of Franklin's 2-8 record vs. the top 10 while at PSU. However, does anyone know Harbaugh is............ 1-9???
Factor in Franklin had to build a broken program back up, and won a Big Ten title in year 3 while Harbaugh inherited a boat load of talent and has zero to show for it after 4 years other than one 2nd place divisional finish.
Sorry, he needs to win the conference before he is even in the conversation, especially since he has a worse record against top 10 teams than Franklin does.
Lol.....2-8 and 1-9?? So what you're saying is Franklin sucks but Harbaugh swallows??
I'm saying Harbaugh hasn't done anything to justify the credit he gets in the college game. For 8 million a year, he's failed miserably.
As for FT... 1-4 vs. Harbaugh is impressive considering he's only been at Michigan 4 years. Where did the 4th loss come from? I'm willing to be Harbaugh would give up some of those wins for a conference title.
I agree with that. I just dont believe that JF is the second coming that many people say he is. How much longer will it be until JF stops getting a pass for the "sanctions years"? Another one im getting tired of hearing is "those close to the program always knew that (insert year here) wasnt going to be 'Franklin's year' "
Franklin is a blocked field goal away from being 1-9. I really dont give two sh* ts what people say about Harbaugh; but as for JF, I'm patiently waiting for him to show us that he's the right man to be leading my alma mater.
For those who say Harbaugh is the best coach in the Big Ten, consider this...
Both James Franklin and Jim Harbaugh have faced ten teams ranked in the Top 10 since taking over their current positions. Much is made of Franklin's 2-8 record vs. the top 10 while at PSU. However, does anyone know Harbaugh is............ 1-9???
Factor in Franklin had to build a broken program back up, and won a Big Ten title in year 3 while Harbaugh inherited a boat load of talent and has zero to show for it after 4 years other than one 2nd place divisional finish.
Sorry, he needs to win the conference before he is even in the conversation, especially since he has a worse record against top 10 teams than Franklin does.
Lol.....2-8 and 1-9?? So what you're saying is Franklin sucks but Harbaugh swallows??
I'm saying Harbaugh hasn't done anything to justify the credit he gets in the college game. For 8 million a year, he's failed miserably.
As for FT... 1-4 vs. Harbaugh is impressive considering he's only been at Michigan 4 years. Where did the 4th loss come from? I'm willing to be Harbaugh would give up some of those wins for a conference title.
I agree with that. I just dont believe that JF is the second coming that many people say he is. How much longer will it be until JF stops getting a pass for the "sanctions years"? Another one im getting tired of hearing is "those close to the program always knew that (insert year here) wasnt going to be 'Franklin's year' "
Franklin is a blocked field goal away from being 1-9. I really dont give two sh* ts what people say about Harbaugh; but as for JF, I'm patiently waiting for him to show us that he's the right man to be leading my alma mater.
That should read "because of the sanction years" not " for the sanction years".
For those who say Harbaugh is the best coach in the Big Ten, consider this...
Both James Franklin and Jim Harbaugh have faced ten teams ranked in the Top 10 since taking over their current positions. Much is made of Franklin's 2-8 record vs. the top 10 while at PSU. However, does anyone know Harbaugh is............ 1-9???
Factor in Franklin had to build a broken program back up, and won a Big Ten title in year 3 while Harbaugh inherited a boat load of talent and has zero to show for it after 4 years other than one 2nd place divisional finish.
Sorry, he needs to win the conference before he is even in the conversation, especially since he has a worse record against top 10 teams than Franklin does.
Lol.....2-8 and 1-9?? So what you're saying is Franklin sucks but Harbaugh swallows??
I'm saying Harbaugh hasn't done anything to justify the credit he gets in the college game. For 8 million a year, he's failed miserably.
As for FT... 1-4 vs. Harbaugh is impressive considering he's only been at Michigan 4 years. Where did the 4th loss come from? I'm willing to be Harbaugh would give up some of those wins for a conference title.
I agree with that. I just dont believe that JF is the second coming that many people say he is. How much longer will it be until JF stops getting a pass for the "sanctions years"? Another one im getting tired of hearing is "those close to the program always knew that (insert year here) wasnt going to be 'Franklin's year' "
Franklin is a blocked field goal away from being 1-9. I really dont give two sh* ts what people say about Harbaugh; but as for JF, I'm patiently waiting for him to show us that he's the right man to be leading my alma mater.
Tsuga, it was always like that. Some things never change. I wholeheartedly agree. Franklin is the 2nd coming. Not sure how this type of behavior develops among the fans. It was like that during the Paterno era, year in, year out. I just feel most need to lower their expectations and take what you got, just enjoy the game of football. For anyone that thinks this year will be "their year", they will not be happy when November rolls around.
Guys it’s hard to win in the big 10. I can’t write good enough to describe what James Franklin walked into. BOB walked into a team that was loaded with NFL talent and he went 8-4 and 7-5. James Franklin took over a team with walk-ons and 2 recruiting classes that were not all that great plus he had to piece one together lol. The dude went 7-6 with a bowl win and 7-6 losing a bowl to Georgia 24-17 with Georgia loaded with NFL talent everywhere at every position. The next 2 years we won 11 games with a big 10 championship and won the fiesta bowl. James Franklin has dominated Iowa and Wisconsin and has beaten Ohio state and Michigan when if you look at the athletes they had ain’t no way we should’ve stayed on the field because we just didn’t have the players but James Franklin found a way. I’ll say it again last year we had players not step up and make plays dropping the ball or putt it on the ground and it cost us another 11 win season. Things are great considering what penn st went through and getting better every day. We’ve already got guys leaving early for the NFL and got coaches been lured away from Michigan, Alabama and Ohio st so that should tell you James Franklin knows exactly what he’s doing. Looking at how sanctions killed Miami and Alabama and it took them years to recover with just slaps on the wrist while we had death penalty sanctions and we’ve already recovered winning championships. Clemson and the Tide are just better plus the get benefits that we don’t meaning they can lose and not be punished for it. Great days are here baby and greater are on the way. Rather we want to or not we have to be patient.
I love how me posting how Harbaugh's record in the Big Ten isn't as good as people seem to think somehow became "Franklin is the 2nd coming"
This isn't even a debate southern..Harbaugh's body of work so exceeds Franklin's , its laughable...This is a guy who has reached the apex of the profession, i.e., the Super Bowl for those less informed..He also went to NFC championship game, with two straight NFC West titles..
AS for college, he had two 11-1 seasons at the UNiversity of San Diego for cripes sakes...He turned Stanford into a power going 12-1, OB win,and 4th ranked in country..and I might add, set up his successor David Shaw, with a powerhouse, Stanford going 11-2, 12-2 Rose bowl win, and 11-3 in three seasons following Jim's departure before plunging to 8-5..
While he's been somewhat disappointing at UM, that's because he's a victim of his own success, wherein three double digit wins out of 4 seasons isn't good enough....and because he lost to his top rival, OSU, a powerhouse coached by one of best college coaches of all time, Urban Meyer
He's now clearly the class of the Big 10, 2-8 vs 1-9 phooey, notwithstanding..
I’m with ya I think Harbaugh is a great coach and losing to Ohio st has cost him 2 CFP’s but what James Franklin did at Vanderbilt and a death penalty sanctions penn State team is nothing short of absolute great coaching. Slick Nick, Harbaugh, Jerry Denardo and Ron Zook will tell you how hard it is to win the big 10 and James Franklin won the big 10 in a much difficult situation. He’s only been here 6 years and the so called experts said it would take 20 years to recover and James Franklin did it in 3 years, really 1 year because ain’t no way he should’ve had winning seasons in his 1st and 2nd year but that’s how good he is.
I do not care what he's done in the NFL, college football is a completely different animal. there have been NFL coaches who failed to succeed in college, and there's been plenty of college coaches who fail to succeed in the NFL.
I don't care if went to the Super Bowl, so did Lovie Smith and he is one of the worst coaches in the Big Ten.
as for the University of San Diego, it's not even a scholarship granting School. It's wonderful that he did well there, but give me a break.
also, you can't give him credit for building up Stanford while also not giving credit to Franklin for building up Penn State during sanctions. Franklin actually won a conference championship, Harbaugh never did at Stanford in 4 years... and the Big Ten is a better conference
again, I'm not comparing or trying to say that Franklin is better than Harbaugh... I'm just saying that Harbaugh gets a lot of credit for someone who's never won a single championship
I do care what he's done in the NFL, when answering the question, who is best coach in the Big 10..Its tougher, way tougher to be highly successful in the NFL..Its part of his body of work, its great athletes on all teams, not just 2-3 that may be on a college team...and as Buddy Ryan infamously reminded JImmy Johnson, there are "no Temples nor East Carolinas in the NFL"
As for Franklin, Im not detracting from his performance or failing to give him credit for what he's accomplished..HE's a good coach, doing a very good job..THis year may be very telling for him,as it is for JH, with no Urban to contend with in the conference..
Plain and simple, my answer to the question is Harbaugh is the better coach, that's all..That doesnt mean Franklin is bad, far from it
I do care what he's done in the NFL, when answering the question, who is best coach in the Big 10..Its tougher, way tougher to be highly successful in the NFL..Its part of his body of work, its great athletes on all teams, not just 2-3 that may be on a college team...and as Buddy Ryan infamously reminded JImmy Johnson, there are "no Temples nor East Carolinas in the NFL"
As for Franklin, Im not detracting from his performance or failing to give him credit for what he's accomplished..HE's a good coach, doing a very good job..THis year may be very telling for him,as it is for JH, with no Urban to contend with in the conference..
Plain and simple, my answer to the question is Harbaugh is the better coach, that's all..That doesnt mean Franklin is bad, far from it
If it's way tougher to win in the NFL, how is Lovie Smith the doormat of the Big Ten?
As for the question, I direct you to my statement before you posted: "I'm saying Harbaugh hasn't done anything to justify the credit he gets in the college game."
I already know what kind of coach James Franklin is because I watched him beat Georgia, Florida and Tennessee in the same year and had SCAR on the ropes before losing a close game back when SCAR was given Michigan a beat down in a bowl game. I believe this year will be the year Franklin is on a level playing field and I look for a great season I just think it’s to difficult to go undefeated when playing Michigan and Ohio State because one of ‘em will usually get you. This will be the best team he’s ever had just wait and see.
roam, when you can convince SPF that Harbaugh isn't as good as he's cracked up to be, I'll be looking skyward to watch pigs fly!
All I ever said was until Harbaugh wins the conference, I can't consider him the best coach in the league. He's been at Michigan for 4 years with talent all over the place and failed to get it done. He's 1-9 against top ten team. Many of them NOT OHIO STATE. Dantonio was able to beat Ohio State, and so was Franklin. I don't buy the whole Michigan gets OSU's best nonsense...
IMO you aren't the best until you win something. Harbaugh needs to win his conference at least once before he's even in the conversation, and he may do it this year... But best? Nope.
I disagree Roam when Michigan plays Ohio st 99% of the time they’ll get their A game just like when Alabama and Auburn play. These rivalries seem to bring out the best in teams. Rivalry games are very intense and the players go all out.
