Credit goes where credit is due. Congratulations to Franklin and his staff for a job well done. Top to bottom PSU’s coaches did a great job this season.
Yup top to bottom they can recruit with the best. But when it comes to developing that talent are some of the worst
Yup top to bottom they can recruit with the best. But when it comes to developing that talent are some of the worst
Too silly......
I am curious who Franklin and his staff failed to develop? Listen, I am with you 100% about losing to Ohio State and Michigan State the way they did 2 years in a row. If you want to criticize this coaching staff about in game management I am with you 100%. Questionable play calling at key times in the game? ABSOLUTELY!!! As far as recruiting and developing talent is concerned I think this staff is as good as there is in the country...WR's drop too many passes and I feel the OLine hasn't developed as fast as I thought they would so I could see criticism there...The defense as a unit showed improvement as the season progressed and the linebackers made better reads...I also felt the team wore down towards the end of games but most of the guys here disagree with me on that point so I am going to rethink my position there...As far as coaching changes are concerned I would fire the WR coach immediately...OLine coach doesn't thrill me either and therefor he could go and i wouldn't be upset about it...Rahne needs to improve and would be put on notice that 2019 is a make or break for him...I know your calling for Franklin to be fired and I can tell you he would have a job within the week if PSU fired him...My question to you is a simple one Homer...I will play along with you...Fire Franklin NOW!!! Ok...now he is gone...Who you gonna hire to replace him? Who out there is better? Who are you lobbying for to replace him? I can rattle off a half dozen VERY good reasons why you should keep him..I am really curious as to who you would replace him with...
FD, your last comment makes a lot of sense in my opinion. If you are going to fire your coach, you better have a solid line on who that replacement is going to be, otherwise you are the Cleveland Browns just wandering aimlessly in a cycle of confused goals with no vision.Then you have to set metrics on what does success look like. Winning season? 9 or 10 wins? Conference championship? National championship? Defeating traditional rivals? One could argue there is Moorehead in Penn State’s back pocket but are you sure he can deliver on those metrics any better than Franklin? I’m no football expert but I’m pretty sure there is more to building an Alabama than just 1 person. Let Franklin do his job and he’ll put all the pieces in place, it just takes time. He’s already done an amazing job considering.
You make a valid point Been There....If they guy is a talented coach and/or a great recruiter you find a slot for him but he wouldn't be my WR coach going forward...I liked Roam's thought process regarding Bobby Engram...I think Harbaugh is done after the season in Baltimore and the coaching staff all gets replaced by the new regime...He would be the guy I would be targeting...
FD... It's hard to have logical arguments with irrational people. Just sayin'
Touché Roam
Bottom line is Michigan beat the crap out of us and players cost us the other 2 games by not catching the football, it happens. OL coach is one of the best in college football we just need to recruit a little better at the OL position. ST and DB coaches might need to be looked at but that’s just my opinion.
Sorry Southern, but Limegrover is not one of the best in the country. If I remember correctly, prior to coming to PSU, he had never had a player he coached drafted to the NFL. This was his third season and the OL hasn’t showed much improvement. It may be in Franklin’s best interest to look for someone else.
Fries 3 star
Gonzo 4 star
Menet 4/5 star
McGovern 4 star
Bates 4 star
The talent is there. We should be seeing a better OL by now.
9-3 with the potential of three 10 win seasons in a row is nice. However, after the last 2 years, I had higher expectations. I thought 10-2 was probably a good benchmark to start the year. The Michigan St loss was horrible. Two weeks to prepare for that game and the team looked flat and disinterested. Costly penalties dogged this team all year. Dropped balls all over the place by the upperclassman were killers also. Again, 9-3 is good, but there is still a lot of work to get where we would all like to see them. Franklin is a smart guy. He’ll figure it out and move forward. To their credit, they finished the season with their most complete game in at least a month or more. The defense has improved. The OL looked better with McGovern back at C. The young WRs look far better than their older counter parts. Parsons and Brooks look like future stars at LB. let’s hope to get the 10 th win in the bowl. We Are...
9-3 with the potential of three 10 win seasons in a row is nice. However, after the last 2 years, I had higher expectations. I thought 10-2 was probably a good benchmark to start the year. The Michigan St loss was horrible. Two weeks to prepare for that game and the team looked flat and disinterested. Costly penalties dogged this team all year. Dropped balls all over the place by the upperclassman were killers also. Again, 9-3 is good, but there is still a lot of work to get where we would all like to see them. Franklin is a smart guy. He’ll figure it out and move forward. To their credit, they finished the season with their most complete game in at least a month or more. The defense has improved. The OL looked better with McGovern back at C. The young WRs look far better than their older counter parts. Parsons and Brooks look like future stars at LB. let’s hope to get the 10 th win in the bowl. We Are...
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Sorry Southern, but Limegrover is not one of the best in the country. If I remember correctly, prior to coming to PSU, he had never had a player he coached drafted to the NFL. This was his third season and the OL hasn’t showed much improvement. It may be in Franklin’s best interest to look for someone else.
1. Limegrover was the Offensive Coordinator at Minnesota and Northern Illinois, not the OL coach. He oversaw the OL, but his duties as OC obviously were the priority. If you look at the coaching staff at Minnesota during his years, you will see other OL coaches on the staff.
2. If you can't see the improvement in the offensive line, then you are blind. In 2016 Trace routinely ran around and made plays due to breakdowns in pass protection. In 2017 there were not nearly as many breakdowns, and certainly this year that has continued with less sacks allowed than 2017.
3. Miles Sanders is certainly no Saquon Barkley, yet he has run for just as many yards as Saquon did last year. That with a passing attack that has looked uninspired. McGovern is considered a NFL draft prospect, as is Ryan Bates. Menet was moved to center and preformed very well for a first time starter.
Limegrover is only 3 years into his tenure, and IMO the line is much better than it was in 2014-2016. I also believe we will continue to see improvement.
Limegrover was, in fact, the OC AND OL coach at Minnesota and Northern Illinois. Yes, the pass protection has improved slightly, but name one big game where the OL was able to melt away the clock by taking over the run game? USC, nope? Ohio State any year? Nope. Sparty? Nope. I believe most of the slight improvement you note was simply having a less skilled starter be replaced by a new higher rated player. However, the dominate OL we were told would be a strength of the team didn’t seem to show up. Your glass is much fuller than mine when it comes to the OL.
Progress was made
Limegrover was, in fact, the OC AND OL coach at Minnesota and Northern Illinois. Yes, the pass protection has improved slightly, but name one big game where the OL was able to melt away the clock by taking over the run game? USC, nope? Ohio State any year? Nope. Sparty? Nope. I believe most of the slight improvement you note was simply having a less skilled starter be replaced by a new higher rated player. However, the dominate OL we were told would be a strength of the team didn’t seem to show up. Your glass is much fuller than mine when it comes to the OL.
As I said, he was listed as the OC & OL coach... But look closer and you will see others on the staff also listed as OL coach. My point was he was never mainly responsible for the OL at Minnesota, he was and should have been mainly concerned with being OC.
As for improvement, 3 years later we have improved on the line. You've even said it. He's only had two full years with the players, his first year wasn't even a full year. You are right, I definitely have more faith in Limegrover than you do... Hopefully for the team's sake I'm right LMAO
My only concern with JF is his hiring of assistant coaches, I'm not sure he did a good job with these latest additions. I don't have access to the stats involving those areas, but I have some doubts.
My only concern with JF is his hiring of assistant coaches, I'm not sure he did a good job with these latest additions. I don't have access to the stats involving those areas, but I have some doubts.
I hope he goes out and gets a legitimate WR coach. Gattis was a huge loss and slotting Corley into that position was problematic at best. Yes, Corley was WR coach at Army, but that entails mostly teaching them how to block downfield because they don't pass it often.
I'd love to see an upgrade at that position specifically. Not really Corley's fault, he was supposed to be the RB coach... but bring in a specialist to teach these young talents.
This was his third season as OL coach and if he wasn’t the OL coach at Minnesota then why did Franklin hire him as one?
This was his third season as OL coach and if he wasn’t the OL coach at Minnesota then why did Franklin hire him as one?
Rob Vanderlinden wasn't a LB coach at Maryland, he was the head coach... but Paterno hired him as the LB coach. So why would Limegrover have to be any different?
Limegrover even stated at the time he was glad to get back to focusing on OL coaching, where he feels his best. No one is hiding that Limegrover was the Offensive Coordinator at Minnesota. It's common knowledge, and not hard to understand that an OC doesn't really have time to coach the OL or focus on them during practice. If they did, what would we even need position coaches for?
Limegrover looked pretty good the last few years, but we had Barkley. lol
The OL is better LB’r.
I agree Roam the OL is much better
